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Baseball Primer Newsblog — The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand Monday, January 30, 2023Plan outlined for new Tampa Bay Rays ballpark, redevelopment
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Posted: January 30, 2023 at 05:30 PM | 9 comment(s)
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1. Walt Davis Posted: January 30, 2023 at 08:40 PM (#6115208)New Orleans had it right: put the sporting arena directly adjacent to the tourist (i.e., drinking) district.
What Gold Star said.
Haven't been to the Tampa area in decades, but from what I understand, access/egress to/from the current stadium location is abysmal, and part of the reason the Rays have trouble drawing. So building a new ballpark in that same vicinity probably won't have the impact they hope it will.
Nashville's got this set up just about perfectly. I have family working for the predators, so we're in that area a lot, and up and down Broadway is a huge center of tourism, bars, shops, etc, with the arena right in the middle of it. Last time we were there, we ended up walking down toward the river and it was the first time I realized how close the football stadium is as well. So you've got two sports facilities, music, bars, hotels, shops, etc. all in a pretty walkable area. Transport into the city isn't great, but once you're already in there, everything is pretty well packed together.
Philly put all of it's sports teams in one shitty spot (with the caveat that it is a very easily accessible spot) and they've done well improving the area.
Denver put it's baseball stadium in a pretty under-developed part of town, and it has been wildly successful. It *can* work, just probably not all that often.
Unless you really like the casino, I don't see how the area has been improved. That part of south Philly has always been residential. It's a fine location for a stadium because it's near highways and off the subway, but there's no reason to go down there other than to watch a game.
It will funnel taxpayer dollars into the pocket of MLB owners and developers which I'm pretty sure is the impact they hope it will have. It may or may not provide the added benefit of helping the mayor get re-elected.
Even in cases such as #4, it's difficult to judge the economic success. What was in these areas before and how much economic activity was it generating? (Or what costs from relocating people if formerly residential.) To what extent did this new(?) Nashville strip just serve to redirect economic activity from one area (the old strip) to another? Even if we judge the strip as an economic success, how much did $1B (or whatever) in mostly publicly-funded (I assume) stadiums add? Would that money have had a bigger impact if spent on ....?
It's obviously pretty easy to take derelict docks, put a stadium and some other things that will attract some people there, and then point to the hundreds of millions of "new economic activity" taking place where there used to be none. The thornier questions are whether the resulting tax revenue increase (or other indirect benefits) are worth the investment at all then "could the money have (easily) been better spent?" That's where these projects tend to fall over.
True, but if you are going to put your stadium in an out of the way place, at least make it easily accessible with a good amount of parking nearby. It does not sound like that is the case with Tampa. And at the very least it's at least a safer spot than it was.
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