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Monday, January 30, 2023

Plan outlined for new Tampa Bay Rays ballpark, redevelopment

A new ballpark for the Tampa Bay Rays will be built near the current one under plans unveiled Monday as part of a massive redevelopment project that also includes affordable housing, office space and retail in what was once a thriving Black neighborhood.

Mayor Ken Welch of St. Petersburg, Florida, chose a partnership between the Rays and the Houston-based Hines development company from among four proposals to transform an 86-acre (34-hectare) downtown site where Tropicana Field now sits. Welch said the plan should keep the Rays in St. Petersburg for the long term….

“We think Tampa is a major league market and we want to find a solution that makes the club economically viable in that market,” Manfred said then.

Details remain to be worked out over the next several years, including how to finance the project among the Rays, the city, Pinellas County and other entities. Welch, who is St. Petersburg’s first Black mayor, emphasized that a key goal is to restore a majority Black neighborhood known as the Gas Plant District that was ousted by the stadium and a highway.

The broader plan includes about 5,700 housing units—a large chunk of them to be deemed affordable—office and retail space, 700 hotel rooms, a 2,500-seat entertainment venue and a new Woodson African American Museum of Florida.

Overall, Welch said, the idea is to create a destination for people who come to Rays games, as well as build a new community.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 30, 2023 at 05:30 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Walt Davis Posted: January 30, 2023 at 08:40 PM (#6115208)
There goes another minute.
   2. Gold Star - just Gold Star Posted: January 30, 2023 at 10:25 PM (#6115219)
Isn't the problem with the Trop that it's near nothing, certainly not a viable civic "center of gravity?"

New Orleans had it right: put the sporting arena directly adjacent to the tourist (i.e., drinking) district.
   3. Tony S Posted: January 30, 2023 at 10:50 PM (#6115222)

What Gold Star said.

Haven't been to the Tampa area in decades, but from what I understand, access/egress to/from the current stadium location is abysmal, and part of the reason the Rays have trouble drawing. So building a new ballpark in that same vicinity probably won't have the impact they hope it will.
   4. catomi01 Posted: January 31, 2023 at 08:25 AM (#6115244)
New Orleans had it right: put the sporting arena directly adjacent to the tourist (i.e., drinking) district.


Nashville's got this set up just about perfectly. I have family working for the predators, so we're in that area a lot, and up and down Broadway is a huge center of tourism, bars, shops, etc, with the arena right in the middle of it. Last time we were there, we ended up walking down toward the river and it was the first time I realized how close the football stadium is as well. So you've got two sports facilities, music, bars, hotels, shops, etc. all in a pretty walkable area. Transport into the city isn't great, but once you're already in there, everything is pretty well packed together.
   5. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: January 31, 2023 at 09:08 AM (#6115249)
If baseball was smart, they'd find a way to get into Nashville soon. I don't get this plan at all.
   6. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 31, 2023 at 11:47 AM (#6115272)
Isn't the problem with the Trop that it's near nothing, certainly not a viable civic "center of gravity?"

New Orleans had it right: put the sporting arena directly adjacent to the tourist (i.e., drinking) district.


Philly put all of it's sports teams in one shitty spot (with the caveat that it is a very easily accessible spot) and they've done well improving the area.

Denver put it's baseball stadium in a pretty under-developed part of town, and it has been wildly successful. It *can* work, just probably not all that often.
   7. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: January 31, 2023 at 01:08 PM (#6115278)
Philly put all of it's sports teams in one shitty spot (with the caveat that it is a very easily accessible spot) and they've done well improving the area.

Unless you really like the casino, I don't see how the area has been improved. That part of south Philly has always been residential. It's a fine location for a stadium because it's near highways and off the subway, but there's no reason to go down there other than to watch a game.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: January 31, 2023 at 03:43 PM (#6115314)
building a new ballpark in that same vicinity probably won't have the impact they hope it will.

It will funnel taxpayer dollars into the pocket of MLB owners and developers which I'm pretty sure is the impact they hope it will have. It may or may not provide the added benefit of helping the mayor get re-elected.

Even in cases such as #4, it's difficult to judge the economic success. What was in these areas before and how much economic activity was it generating? (Or what costs from relocating people if formerly residential.) To what extent did this new(?) Nashville strip just serve to redirect economic activity from one area (the old strip) to another? Even if we judge the strip as an economic success, how much did $1B (or whatever) in mostly publicly-funded (I assume) stadiums add? Would that money have had a bigger impact if spent on ....?

It's obviously pretty easy to take derelict docks, put a stadium and some other things that will attract some people there, and then point to the hundreds of millions of "new economic activity" taking place where there used to be none. The thornier questions are whether the resulting tax revenue increase (or other indirect benefits) are worth the investment at all then "could the money have (easily) been better spent?" That's where these projects tend to fall over.
   9. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: January 31, 2023 at 04:20 PM (#6115323)
Unless you really like the casino, I don't see how the area has been improved. That part of south Philly has always been residential. It's a fine location for a stadium because it's near highways and off the subway, but there's no reason to go down there other than to watch a game.


True, but if you are going to put your stadium in an out of the way place, at least make it easily accessible with a good amount of parking nearby. It does not sound like that is the case with Tampa. And at the very least it's at least a safer spot than it was.

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