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Monday, April 26, 2021

Plaschke: Dodgers get cheated again, this time by sign-stealing Fernando Tatis Jr. of Padres

The home nine arrived at Chavez Ravine on Sunday afternoon as victims of a theft so blatant it should have rattled them to their blue bones.

In a video that surfaced after the Dodgers’ Saturday night victory here over San Diego, it was clear that the Padres’ Fernando Tatis Jr. had sneaked a peek at catcher Will Smith’s positioning just before hitting his second home run of the game.

Yeah, the organization that was cheated out of the 2017 World Series championship by the Houston Astros once again had been robbed, embarrassed and played for fools.

What to do, then, on Sunday?

Do they pitch Tatis inside? Do they back him off the plate? Short of intentionally hitting him, do they do anything else to make him, you know … uncomfortable?

Would they send a message that they will not allow themselves to be owned by a free-swinging kid with a wandering eye?

They would not, and they paid for their indifference.

 

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: April 26, 2021 at 01:14 PM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: fernando tatis, jr., padres

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   1. Mefisto Posted: April 26, 2021 at 01:51 PM (#6015496)
I know Plaschke is stupid, but looking back at the signs is no more cheating than trying to see them from 2B.
   2. salvomania Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:19 PM (#6015508)
but looking back at the signs is no more cheating

He didn't even look at the signs, just the catcher's positioning. There's a reason why many catchers wait until the pitcher begins his windup to get into their "final" catching position.
   3. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:28 PM (#6015513)
I have a college friend who has been writing opinion pieces for the LA Times since 2005; but I probably don't talk to her often enough to get her to use her prodigious talents to troll Plaschke into submission. Also, she probably wouldn't give a shit about baseball. But it is fun to imagine.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6015519)
Plaschke still writes for a newspaper? I would have figured he had moved onto Chass-ian not-blogging.
   5. Froot Loops Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6015520)
This brings up an important question, which is: Go #### yourself, Plaschke.
   6. phredbird Posted: April 26, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6015521)

he has a regular gig on 'around the horn' on ESPN, which is an almost unwatchable show that i sometimes catch parts of because it leads into 'pardon the interruption', which i watch now and then.

although i have to ask myself why i do that since mike wilbon, and to a certain extent kornheiser, are complete dunces about baseball and proud of it.

i find their interaction witty and they do some good stuff on basketball.
   7. Jose Is An Absurd Balladeer Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6015522)
I don't watch that stuff often but what I like about Kornheiser and Wilbon is they seem to be sharing genuine opinions on things. I don't get the sense that they are Screamin' A Smith/Skip Bayless types who are just shouting to try and be edgy or controversial. ATH is a case where the guests make the show. The right panel is fun but it's pretty easy to go awry.
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:23 PM (#6015527)
This brings up an important question, which is: Go #### yourself, Plaschke.


And that brings up another question, which is: What is a question?

   9. Astroenteritis Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6015529)
the organization that was cheated out of the 2017 World Series championship by the Houston Astros


Ha, Ha. Cry me a river!
   10. Lassus Posted: April 26, 2021 at 03:39 PM (#6015531)
he has a regular gig on 'around the horn' on ESPN, which is an almost unwatchable show that i sometimes catch parts of because it leads into 'pardon the interruption', which i watch now and then.

Wait. This is actually still on?
   11. Howie Menckel Posted: April 26, 2021 at 04:01 PM (#6015538)
it's all about having multiple audiences.

this 'take' gets Dodgers fans who wave pompoms, Dodgers fans who can fog a mirror, Dodgers haters, Astros fans, Astros haters.... even the occasional Baseball Site For Thinking Fans will get ensnared in the web

#clickability
   12. salvomania Posted: April 26, 2021 at 05:05 PM (#6015554)
even the occasional Baseball Site For Thinking Fans

I'd be surprised if any of us here actually RTFA.
   13. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 26, 2021 at 06:25 PM (#6015571)
TFA seems to not only seek to goad the Dodgers into plunking Tatis, but Plaschke is also upset that there was an overly demonstrative fan in a Tatis jersey behind home plate and nobody did anything. Perhaps he can alert the parking lot goons next time.
   14. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: April 26, 2021 at 08:27 PM (#6015589)
Eh, the Dodgers will get their revenge by having the best record in MLB and giving themselves a real chance at winning back to back World Series. If I were a Dodger fan, that would good enough for me.
   15. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: April 26, 2021 at 10:56 PM (#6015617)
I'd be surprised if any of us here actually RTFA.


I make it a point to read as little sports "journalism" as possible.
   16. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: April 27, 2021 at 12:41 AM (#6015620)
FWIW, when i watched video of tatis's HR ABs vs. bauer, what stuck out to me is that tatis was clearly sitting on bauer's offspeed stuff. if bauer could have spotted a FB middle-in against him, tatis wouldn't have been able to get the bat off his shoulder.

   17. A triple short of the cycle Posted: April 27, 2021 at 11:18 AM (#6015656)
Ramblin' Ray Fosse was going on about this recently on A's radio. He was adamant that it was a massive violation of baseball code for the batter to glance at the catcher. Vince Cotroneo tried to inject the obvious counterpoint that it was not against any rule, but Fosse wouldn't have it, said that the batter was asking to be hit.

   18. SoSH U at work Posted: April 27, 2021 at 11:27 AM (#6015658)
Ramblin' Ray Fosse was going on about this recently on A's radio. He was adamant that it was a massive violation of baseball code for the batter to glance at the catcher. Vince Cotroneo tried to inject the obvious counterpoint that it was not against any rule, but Fosse wouldn't have it, said that the batter was asking to be hit.


Historically speaking, he is. If the offending player is caught looking back at the catcher, a fastball to the ribs was the expected response. Not defending it; that's just reality.
   19. Ron J Posted: April 27, 2021 at 12:14 PM (#6015665)
#18 I've never understood why this is OK but a Marichal vs Roseboro response to a fastball to the ribs isn't.
   20. Jack Keefe Posted: April 27, 2021 at 12:43 PM (#6015669)
If the offending player is caught looking back at the catcher, a fastball to the ribs was the expected response

You said it Al and many's the time I have buzzed the Ear Drum of a stick welder fuelish enough to take an Ogle at the manly stance of my old pal AJ.

I think this should go in other sports too Al. Like say some 1 sneaks a Peek at her Competor in the High Dive, why next time the Oppentent should be skulking alongside and throw her off the Latter on her way up.

Or say some 1 is surfing in Tenace. Before they let go their Wallop they peek at where the other Fellow is standing. Then when they break to towl off their Heads, Player #2 should go over and smack Player #1 with the Rackit in his Nuts.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: April 27, 2021 at 01:11 PM (#6015676)

#18 I've never understood why this is OK but a Marichal vs Roseboro response to a fastball to the ribs isn't.


Getting a fastball to the ribs is part of the game. Sometimes it's delivered intentionally; more often it's the result of a pitch that went where it wasn't supposed to. Sadly, the unintentional HBPs don't hurt any less than the intentional ones.

Baseball players generally understand and live with the possibility that a pitcher may drill them for some baseball offense (some legit, like a spikes-high slide into the opponent's second sacker), some imaginary (a guy watched his homer for .37 seconds too long). Not only do they know they could be a recipient, but they often expect their pitchers to deliver some of that frontier justice, and will get pissed if it doesn't happen. It's a longstanding, if dumb, part of the game.

Attacking someone with a bat is not part of the game.

It's really not that hard to understand.
   22. Ron J Posted: April 27, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6015680)
Throwing at somebody to discourage behavior you don't like is a violent assault. The officially sanctioned response is to do the same. I honestly don't see why the batter can't cut out the middle man.

Just saying it's part of the game is a non-response. At one time it was part of the game that if a batter wanted a piece of the pitcher nobody would intervene. That "part of the game" changed.
   23. SoSH U at work Posted: April 27, 2021 at 01:52 PM (#6015684)
Throwing at somebody to discourage behavior you don't like is a violent assault. The officially sanctioned response is to do the same. I honestly don't see why the batter can't cut out the middle man.


Do you think all pitches that hit a batter should be grounds for bat-wielding attacks, or just the ones the batter knows in his mind were intentional?

   24. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 27, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6015685)
22. And catchers with guns, why not?

The serious answer is that the ribs are not the head; throwing to kill is not cool. Smacking someone over the head with a bat is a high risk of permanent damage.
   25. reech Posted: April 27, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6015688)
Old man yells at clouds.
Film at 11.
   26. Ron J Posted: April 27, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6015691)
#23 Only the ones he judges intentional. Of course young men are known for their perfect judgement of intent so there's no possibility of a mistake.

And #24 Sure why not. This is America where the logical step is to end up with guns. And of course nothing ever could go wrong with a fastball to the ribs. And thus it should be totally fine to respond with a bat to the ribs. I assume you're fine with that right?
   27. 57i66135 right now is attacking rest Posted: April 27, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6015700)
don't ask me how i know this, but it's an open secret that aj pierzynski kept a derringer hidden in his taint the last few years he was in the majors.
   28. Karl from NY Posted: April 27, 2021 at 04:12 PM (#6015711)
Keith Hernandez had a passage in one of his books about doing this. He said the trick was to look at the catcher just as the pitcher is checking a runner on base so he doesn't see you peek. If he sees you peek, he'll change his pitch choice - he'll do that because giving the hitter something unexpected outweighs fooling the catcher. The catcher might see you peek, but what's he going to do about it?
   29. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: April 27, 2021 at 04:24 PM (#6015713)


Keith Hernandez had a passage in one of his books about doing this. He said the trick was to look at the catcher just as the pitcher is checking a runner on base so he doesn't see you peek. If he sees you peek, he'll change his pitch choice - he'll do that because giving the hitter something unexpected outweighs fooling the catcher. The catcher might see you peek, but what's he going to do about it?


Catcher can call time, change the sign.

   30. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 27, 2021 at 04:50 PM (#6015721)
If a batter can see the catcher, so can his dugout, which can relay the info via trash can code, or a verbal signal. Catchers who set up too early, or use a different stance for breaking balls, tip pitches and/or location. That’s on them, and headhunting isn’t an appropriate response.
   31. phredbird Posted: April 27, 2021 at 04:54 PM (#6015722)

i've heard for years that peeking back at the catcher is asking for it.

btw, the marichal-roseboro incident wasn't about a pitch to the ribs.

the dodgers and giants were buzzing each other all day in the finale of a 4-game set after wills led off the game with a bunt single then was brushed back his next time up.

koufax was pitching and though he did throw one over mays' head early on, he didn't like hitting batters, so roseboro took matters in his own hands when marichal came up. he intentionally dropped a ball inside, then when he threw back to koufax, he zinged it just by marichals face. that's when marichal lost it, claiming roseboro clipped his ear.

what sets this apart from other brawls though was how marichal used his bat.

but it is a pretty good example of some old school frontier baseball justice for sure.
   32. Karl from NY Posted: April 27, 2021 at 05:23 PM (#6015731)
Catcher can call time, change the sign.

Players can't call time, only request it from the ump. Who wouldn't be likely to grant it repeatedly after a few iterations of this.

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