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Wednesday, September 23, 2020

Police: Pittsburgh Pirates prospect, 21, under influence of alcohol during crash that killed 3

Pittsburgh Pirates No. 3 prospect and Gigantes del Cibao shortstop Oneil Cruz was under the influence of alcohol when he hit a motorcycle on Monday night in a crash that killed three people, according to a police report and authorities in the Dominican Republic.

Cruz, 21, was arrested at the scene and is currently in police custody at the prosecutor’s office in the Peravia province.

The prosecution presented a formal accusation against Cruz and requested a hearing for Wednesday.

According to the report from the Department of Transit Safety and Ground Transportation, or DIGESETT, by its Spanish acronym, Cruz was driving east on Sanchez highway between Baní and San Cristóbal, near the community of Los Mercaditos de Paya in Bani, when he struck a motorcycle in front of him with three people aboard.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: September 23, 2020 at 10:00 AM | 25 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 23, 2020 at 06:55 PM (#5978340)
The excerpt stops a line too early:
According to the report, the motorcycle had no lights of any kind.
That could be significant, as could the speed of the vehicles, but no info on that.
   2. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 23, 2020 at 07:26 PM (#5978342)
a motorcycle in front of him with three people aboard.


As I guy who grew up on dirt bikes, have owned road bikes for 30 years and spends 1 day a month at the track, unless that sucker had a side car, there is no motorcycle I know of that is capable of carrying 3 people legally, much less safely.

Not to excuse the drunk driving, for which he should be punished, but geez, 3 people on a bike with no lights at night is a recipe for disaster.
   3. Howie Menckel Posted: September 23, 2020 at 07:49 PM (#5978347)
I'm willing to wait.

The beatification of the waitress killed in the Leyritz DWI proved to be a little premature, iirc
   4. PreservedFish Posted: September 23, 2020 at 08:17 PM (#5978348)
3 people on a motorcycle is a common sight in the third world.
   5. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: September 23, 2020 at 08:26 PM (#5978350)
3 people on a motorcycle is a common sight in the third world.


Yeah, I'm well aware as I've been over 100 countries. I'm just saying it's courting disaster regardless of whether it's common practice
   6. PreservedFish Posted: September 23, 2020 at 09:11 PM (#5978361)
That's a lot of countries!
   7. Mayor Blomberg Posted: September 23, 2020 at 10:01 PM (#5978369)
3 people on a motorcycle is a common sight in the third world.
Additionally, the article doesn't say 3 adults, only people.
   8. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: September 23, 2020 at 11:06 PM (#5978389)
Additionally, the article doesn't say 3 adults, only people.


ESPN reported that the deceased were 23, 20, and 19 respectively.
   9. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 23, 2020 at 11:52 PM (#5978413)
A few years ago, Mrs. PRD had a speaking engagement in Santo Domingo. I flew out to meet her after and we spent a week on vacation at a resort just west of San Pedro de Macoris, about an hour van ride from the airport. The things I saw on that commute have me believing "a motorcycle carrying three people with no lights of any kind" would have been one of the safer vehicles on the road that night.
   10. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 24, 2020 at 06:50 AM (#5978424)
Re 3: Please don't tell me you're defending Jim Leyritz, and slandering the woman he murdered. Please.
   11. Captain Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: September 24, 2020 at 07:38 AM (#5978426)
Re 3: Please don't tell me you're defending Jim Leyritz, and slandering the woman he murdered. Please.


Request denied! Both sidesism is a must!
   12. Esoteric Posted: September 24, 2020 at 08:24 AM (#5978428)
Re 3: Please don't tell me you're defending Jim Leyritz, and slandering the woman he murdered. Please.
She was incredibly drunk (a .18 alcohol level), ran a red light, AND wasn't wearing her seat belt. Howie has a point here.

There's a reason Leyritz was acquitted on the manslaughter charge after a mere 45 minutes of deliberation. He was driving drunk and may have run a red light himself, and has to own that forever, but it just as easily could have been Veitch killing him (or some other poor soul) given the wild recklessness of her actions. Nobody comes out of this looking clean.

It seems to me that you were unfamiliar with the actual details of this case before you wrote your comment.
   13. Howie Menckel Posted: September 24, 2020 at 09:25 AM (#5978433)
It seems to me that you were unfamiliar with the actual details of this case before you wrote your comment.

I think that is the most reasonable interpretation - so it is the one I will adopt.

Granted, this is not SOP in BBTF.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: September 24, 2020 at 09:37 AM (#5978435)
She was incredibly drunk (a .18 alcohol level), ran a red light, AND wasn't wearing her seat belt. Howie has a point here.

There's a reason Leyritz was acquitted on the manslaughter charge after a mere 45 minutes of deliberation. He was driving drunk and may have run a red light himself, and has to own that forever, but it just as easily could have been Veitch killing him (or some other poor soul) given the wild recklessness of her actions. Nobody comes out of this looking clean.


So, if she had killed him instead, I take it she would have also been not guilty.
   15. . Posted: September 24, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5978449)
The important thing to note here is how very, very important it is that citizens have a very strong opinion about every single private encounter that happens anytime, anywhere. And it's even more important that if someone else thinks something even marginally different, the citizen takes to a message board or Twitter to express his very strong opinion very strongly, and his very strong dissent from the even marginally different thinker.

   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 24, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5978457)
Yeah, I'm well aware as I've been over 100 countries. I'm just saying it's courting disaster regardless of whether it's common practice

The rate of motor vehicle fatalities is so bad in some Latin American countries that Insurance companies will literally charge you an extra premium if you travel there frequently. The Dominican Republic is one of those countries.
   17. Booey Posted: September 24, 2020 at 12:34 PM (#5978471)
As someone who's never been there, why is driving in the DR apparently so dangerous? There seems to be so many stories like this. Do they just not have traffic laws at all or something?
   18. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 24, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5978486)
As someone who's never been there, why is driving in the DR apparently so dangerous? There seems to be so many stories like this. Do they just not have traffic laws at all or something?

I've never been, but my understanding is very poor roads, and almost total disregard of traffic laws: high speeds, drunk driving, etc., etc.
   19. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: September 24, 2020 at 01:19 PM (#5978490)
As someone who's never been there, why is driving in the DR apparently so dangerous? There seems to be so many stories like this. Do they just not have traffic laws at all or something?


Infrastructure in places like the DR is comically poor. Next time you are out driving take note of the signs you see, guardrails in front of anything dangerous, lines painted on the roads, lights (like the spotlights not traffic lights) illuminating where you are going. Those are things you just don't see particularly in rural areas in less wealthy nations. It gets worse the further away from cities you get. On top of that maintenance is virtually non-existent. I remember when I was in Cuba the roads were very similar to bad New England roads in the spring. The difference is that in New England the roads get like that from the temperature swings and are repaired regularly. In Cuba they simply had worn down over 50 years of neglect so you had to actively watch out for potholes.

Finally the people themselves don't have the ability to repair vehicles. You get three or four people on a motorcycle because one guys has the ability to afford a motorcycle and he brings his buddies to work. Then of course the guy can't afford to upgrade his brakes or steering and even if he can afford it it's not like he can just run down to AutoZone and get what he needs.

So you've got old roads and vehicles that are not maintained to any kind of standard and just a general lack of safety apparatus. Oh and lastly medical care in poor countries often quite bad as well so if you get into an accident you probably aren't going to be raced to a state of the art hospital by a quick responding ambulance.
   20. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: September 24, 2020 at 01:34 PM (#5978494)
It's easy to forget how high traffic fatality rates used to be in the US. The Dominican Republic has a fatality rate of 29.3 people per 100,000 population per year, and 94.9 per 100,000 motor vehicles. That is comparable to the US fatality rates in 1946. We were at half that rate as recently as 1972.
   21. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: September 24, 2020 at 01:59 PM (#5978505)
I've never been, but my understanding is very poor roads, and almost total disregard of traffic laws: high speeds, drunk driving, etc., etc.

All that. I wasn't in Santo Domingo itself very long, but long enough to see a motorcycle driving the wrong way into incoming traffic (stopped at a light) then quickly turning into a parking lot once the light changed and traffic started coming toward him. Road lanes, medians, etc, seemed more like suggestions than anything else. My van drivers gave quick horn honks as they were passing cars to let them know there was a car next to them (Mirrors? We don't need no steenking mirrors!).

Also for the highway I was on, it was like a mix of interstate highway (high speeds, concrete divider in the middle of the road) with occasional traffic signals (for pedestrians to cross at breaks in the concrete barriers) and retail storefronts just off the edge of the road. Now mix all of this -- poorly lit poorly maintained interstate highways with poorly maintained vehicles driven by drivers who may or may not even be licensed that have occasional breaks for crossing foot traffic and on the shoulder is a lot more pedestrian traffic with bikes and motor scooters driving opposite the flow of traffic on the main lanes -- and you have an idea of what DR motoring is like.
   22. Ron J Posted: September 24, 2020 at 03:06 PM (#5978533)
#21 I remember reading Edward Lasker's autobiography and he talked about being driven in South America in the 1940s. As described, it was apparently a never ending game of chicken. At any kind of intersection you accelerated and hoped for the best -- slamming on the brakes at the last possible moment when required.
   23. Never Give an Inge (Dave) Posted: September 24, 2020 at 04:05 PM (#5978555)

Yeah, I've been to places where you might see a family of 4 all riding on a single motorcyle (I remember one time where the parents were wearing helmets and the two young kids weren't).
   24. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: September 24, 2020 at 05:58 PM (#5978571)
So, if she had killed him instead, I take it she would have also been not guilty.

Not only would she be not guilty, but she'd walk away with a slap on the wrist, so she could write books and host radio shows! (And have people on this board defending her, because reasons!)
   25. Howie Menckel Posted: September 24, 2020 at 06:25 PM (#5978577)
minstrels were writing sonnets about the other driver, for weeks, in the media.

then it turned out to be two shitfaced drunks with the equivalent of dynamite tied to each of their waists, who slammed into each other. it's only dumb luck that they found each other and not an innocent victim.

these is no defending - nor slandering - either of them.

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