Baseball for the Thinking Fan

Login | Register | Feedback

btf_logo
You are here > Home > Baseball Newsstand > Discussion
Baseball Primer Newsblog
— The Best News Links from the Baseball Newsstand

Monday, October 10, 2022

Postseason OMNICHATTER for the 2022 League Division & Championship Series

NL Match-ups:
Philadelphia vs Atlanta
San Diego vs Los Angeles

AL Match-ups:
Cleveland vs New York
Seattle vs Houston

Scoreboards for the Major Leagues and all minor leagues,
courtesy of Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee).

Hombre Brotani Posted: October 10, 2022 at 04:16 PM | 511 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: omnichatter, postseason

Reader Comments and Retorts

Go to end of page

Statements posted here are those of our readers and do not represent the BaseballThinkFactory. Names are provided by the poster and are not verified. We ask that posters follow our submission policy. Please report any inappropriate comments.

Page 1 of 6 pages  1 2 3 >  Last ›
   1. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 10, 2022 at 04:57 PM (#6100315)
wooo hoo hoo hoo hoo
   2. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 10, 2022 at 04:58 PM (#6100317)
(i don't like how my tone in [1] reads. it miximizes the point i was attempting to convey.)
   3. John Reynard Posted: October 10, 2022 at 04:59 PM (#6100318)
If the Phillies win the Suarez-Fried game, Atlanta's chance of winning the series takes a nose-dive. Suarez has great starts and only passable starts in there, so, it could happen.

I suspect the Braves will win in 5 though from the start.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: October 10, 2022 at 05:00 PM (#6100319)
Go Mariners...I guess.
   5. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 10, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6100341)
Cleveland v. NY has a weird 2-2-1 schedule: Game 1, off day, Game 2, off day, Game 3, Game 4, Game 5. The Game 1 starting pitcher can come back in Game 4 on regular rest, but if it goes 5 games, teams will have to go with their #4 starter, or use their #2 on short rest, although a rainout could change that.

Cole, Cortes & Severino starting for the Yankees; Quantrill, Bieber & McKenzie for Cleveland. Officially TBD beyond that.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: October 10, 2022 at 08:17 PM (#6100343)
I'll go Atl, LAD, Hou, Cle. (I was a dominant 2 for 4 in round 1)
   7. TomH Posted: October 10, 2022 at 09:15 PM (#6100347)
Rooting for the Guardians; no huge pulling interest in the other 3.

Looking at Sportsbook betting odds, I don't believe the favorites should be favored as heavily as they are, in all 4 cases.

   8. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 12:06 PM (#6100393)
Jesse Rogers
@JesseRogersESPN
Per Rob Thomson: Phillies reliever David Robertson strained his right calf jumping up in the air when Bryce Harper homered against the Cards last round. He’s out for the division series.
10:35 AM · Oct 11, 2022
   9. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: October 11, 2022 at 12:33 PM (#6100396)
Kendrys Morales says hi.
   10. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 01:38 PM (#6100407)
we haven't yet been able to kill that wild card thread, I see.

and I can only imagine a geek's results for the "run differential" on the worst call I've seen all year - bags loaded with Braves, 1 out, 2-1 count, and a pitch is way inside but called strike 2. then 3-2, then a 6-3 DP.

what's even worse (maybe) is that the previous pitch - a better one - also was inside and correctly was called a ball.
   11. sunday silence (again) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 01:58 PM (#6100413)
QUESTION: if the game in Yankee stadium on thurs is rained out, what happens? They play on friday? If its called after 3 inn or so, they will make up the entire game then?
   12. Mike A Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:02 PM (#6100414)
Yeah, that strike two call was frustrating. Probably cost the Braves a run, if not more.

Still better than the Brady roughing the passer call, though.

May not matter, Fried doesn't seem to have it today. It's always frustrating when your top pitcher has an off day in a short series.
   13. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:12 PM (#6100415)
anyone else notice that the tomahawk chants are about 37% quieter than they used to be?
   14. You can keep your massive haul Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:14 PM (#6100417)
anyone else notice that the tomahawk chants are about 37% quieter than they used to be?


Nooooooo ooooo aaaa oooooo! Nooooo ooooo oooooo!
   15. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6100419)
i don't hate this guy's strike zone.
   16. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:24 PM (#6100421)
this seems sustainable.
   17. The Gary DiSarcina Fan Club (JAHV) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:25 PM (#6100422)
The only series I feel strongly about is rooting for the Guardians over the Yankees.

I don't really care for the Mariners, but they're definitely the far lesser of two evils against the Astros.

The other two series feature matchups where I'm varying levels of ok with both teams. I guess I'm pulling for the Phillies and Padres, just because the Dodgers and Braves have both won recently.
   18. i don't vibrate on the frequency of the 57i66135 Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:34 PM (#6100428)
Nooooooo ooooo aaaa oooooo! Nooooo ooooo oooooo!
easy there, cracker barrel.
   19. rr: over-entitled starf@ck3r Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:37 PM (#6100429)
I will root for the Braves if they change the name to Hammers. Can't do it until then, though.

   20. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 02:47 PM (#6100431)
What a big Game 1 start for the Phillies, but I don’t trust anything with the way Suarez is pitching right now.
   21. Addie Joss Posted: October 11, 2022 at 03:31 PM (#6100440)
Especially now with Effross' and Marinaccio's injuries, Guardians have a huge advantage in relief pitching over the Yankees. NYY will have to depend on a bunch of mediocrities to get late inning outs; better hope to build up big leads. If they do get past Cleveland, Yankees have a similar relief gap vs. the Astros.
   22. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: October 11, 2022 at 03:36 PM (#6100441)
Division series odds per 538: Dodgers a 77-23 favorite, the other 3 teams with home field all 67-33 favorites.

Fangraphs: Dodgers a 54-46 favorite, Braves also a 54-46 favorite (not sure if accounting for Phillies game 1 lead), Astros a 58-42 favorite, Yankees a 60.5-39.5 favorite.

Imagine designing a projection system that says the Dodgers and Padres are basically equally good teams.
   23. TomH Posted: October 11, 2022 at 03:51 PM (#6100442)
22, I agree with your last, but imagine describing a system that says the Dodgers are 77% to win, given the state of the two teams at the moment?
   24. TomH Posted: October 11, 2022 at 03:53 PM (#6100444)
what is the post-season record for most doubles by both teams in a single game? Phils-Braves "on pace" for 13.
   25. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 03:55 PM (#6100445)
Road teams have acquitted themselves very well this postseason. Today has been more of the same. Mariners on the board early.
   26. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:00 PM (#6100448)
This Braves-Phils game is plodding. No 1-2-3 innings so far, nearly 3 hours in and it's bottom of the 6th.

Fried was coming off the flu. Neither pitcher made it out of the 4th, so both teams are burning plenty of pitchers.
   27. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:12 PM (#6100451)
Mariners with three more -- so far! -- in the 2nd inning. Verlander is very hittable today; no soft contact or cheap hits for the M's right now.
   28. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:33 PM (#6100456)
Ty France has really come out of nowhere to be a really solid player. 2nd best Ty ever?
   29. salvomania Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:36 PM (#6100457)
An amazing stat from the WC thread, regarding teams with large disparities in their records meeting in the postseason:
Including the World Series, the 111-43 Indians' record against winning teams that year was 22-26

Apparently only two AL teams besides the Indians won as many as 70 games that year.

Their record against just four teams--O's, Red Sox, A's, and Senators---was a jaw-dropping 75-13 (.852).
   30. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6100461)
An amazing stat from the WC thread, regarding teams with large disparities in their records meeting in the postseason:

Including the World Series, the 111-43 Indians' record against winning teams that year was 22-26


Apparently only two AL teams besides the Indians won as many as 70 games that year.

Their record against just four teams--O's, Red Sox, A's, and Senators---was a jaw-dropping 75-13 (.852).


That's not as bad as it seems. The only winning teams were the 103-51 Yankees, and the 94-60 ChiSox. There were no teams between 78 and 93 wins.

Also, that includes the World Series. They were 11-11 vs. both the Yanks and Sox.
   31. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:56 PM (#6100462)
Matt Olsen just made this game very interesting.
   32. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 04:59 PM (#6100463)
PHillies win anyways. That was unexpectedly fun.

Mariners put up another one.
   33. Dingbat_Charlie Posted: October 11, 2022 at 05:12 PM (#6100464)
This playoff ball appears to be un-de-juiced.
   34. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: October 11, 2022 at 05:49 PM (#6100465)
Including the World Series, the 111-43 Indians' record against winning teams that year was 22-26

It is worth pointing out here that the 69-85 Red Sox actually had a winning record in games not against Cleveland (67-65); Cleveland went 20-2 against them.
   35. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:07 PM (#6100470)
ALDS schedules:

TUE - GAME 1 in NY
WED - no game
THU - GAME 2 in NY
FRI - no game
SAT - GAME 3 in CLE
SUN - GAME 4* in CLE
MON - GAME 5* in NY

one tiny problem in the NYY-CLE series is that while the weather is delightful in The Bronx for Game 1 tonight (65 degrees and clear at first pitch) as well as for the weird off-day on Wednesday (would be same scenario), Thursday could be a washout. chance of rain from about 4 pm to midnight over 75 percent.

that would mean Game 2 on Friday after two off-days, then possibly 4 games in 4 days with no travel day to or from Cleveland.

the alternative is to play in the slop on Thursday night, which I guess they'll do (temps in the low 60s til late, so wet but not raw). but if the game has stops and starts, that could wreak havoc on both pitching staffs.

just noticed that rain gear might also be in order Sat night in Cleveland and Monday night in NYC.

   36. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:14 PM (#6100472)
but if the game has stops and starts, that could wreak havoc on both pitching staffs.

13 man pitching staffs can handle a lot of havoc.
   37. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:18 PM (#6100473)
With the extra round of the playoffs, we're definitely getting snow games during the World Series one of these years, and weather postponements are going to be a lot more common.
   38. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:28 PM (#6100475)
13 man pitching staffs can handle a lot of havoc.

how about 12 man pitching staffs? because that's how many the Yankees and IndiGuardians each have for this series.
   39. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:44 PM (#6100476)
Alvarez is so good.
   40. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 06:46 PM (#6100477)
Brand new ballgame in Houston.
   41. Textbook Editor Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:16 PM (#6100478)
Interesting move, but probably one you just have to make.
   42. Textbook Editor Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6100479)
welp
   43. You can keep your massive haul Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6100480)
Gameday shows two sinkers down the middle, not great.
   44. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:19 PM (#6100481)
Alvarez is so good.
Alvarez is so good.
   45. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:26 PM (#6100483)
Robbie Ray's first, and last, relief appearance of 2022.
   46. cardsfanboy Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:36 PM (#6100485)
Great game for arguably the only team I'm rooting against...
   47. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:38 PM (#6100487)
Alvarez is almost exactly as good against both sides. I get going to Ray against a platoon split, but this was definitely a curious move. But Alvarez is great, so maybe he just goes boom against anyone there. If Alvarez reaches safely, then Ray would have faced Bregman, who DOES have a platoon split that doesn't favor Ray.
   48. fran Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:39 PM (#6100489)
Yordan!! Both Offense & Defense!
He's signed through some far-off year (2028).
   49. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:45 PM (#6100491)
Great game for arguably the only team I'm rooting against...


It was a great game.

I'm interested as to why you go NY over the Guardians as other then Yankee fans I can't see any sane baseball fan supporting NY in this match up.
   50. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:49 PM (#6100492)
"Justin Verlander may have turned in a rather uncharacteristic outing against the Mariners, but in the process he passed Clayton Kershaw to become the all-time postseason strikeout leader (208)."

this hallowed record will last - well, just over 24 hours, until Kershaw claims it back in his Game 2 start.

............

meanwhile, this is a stellar "GET OFF MY LAWN!" effort by a grizzled scribe:

Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
The Yankees have gone full minor leagues -- Lights out with Nick Swisher waving an interlocking NY banner in a No. 99 jersey. I mean Yankee legend Nick Swisher. I remember when this used to be Yankee Stadium. #TheGoodOldDays
7:35 PM · Oct 11, 2022
   51. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:55 PM (#6100493)
The good old days, when no one was allowed to have any fun, were so much fun. #TheGoodOldDays
   52. cardsfanboy Posted: October 11, 2022 at 07:56 PM (#6100494)
It was a great game.

I'm interested as to why you go NY over the Guardians as other then Yankee fans I can't see any sane baseball fan supporting NY in this match up.


Generally in the playoffs I support my team (obviously) I support the team that beat my team, and just other teams that I don't dislike. I have no real rooting interest for any team in the AL, so it's what it is. I have an active dislike of the Astros, as pretty much every fan of baseball does. The Bagwell/Biggio Astros were great, but the current iteration is not worthy of anyone liking them, even if you love someone like Verlander or Alvarez.
   53. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 11, 2022 at 08:52 PM (#6100503)
how about 12 man pitching staffs? because that's how many the Yankees and IndiGuardians each have for this series.

Gee, only 12 pitchers, with three days off, what ever will they do!
   54. Howie Menckel Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:27 PM (#6100505)
LOL at Donaldson - what am imbecile.

goes into a HR trot with his Little League clout to RF, slaps hands with the first base coach, goes into a narcissistic stroll - then gets caught out easily in an attempt to get back to first base when he finds out it wasn't a HR after all, but off the wall.

he should be benched, but he won't be.
   55. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6100506)
Lead off man Aaron Judge makes like Rickey Henderson with BB, SB, taking 3rd on bad throw, and scoring on Rizzo HR. 4-1 NYY.
   56. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:37 PM (#6100507)
Guardians really letting the free world down here.
   57. Tom and Shivs couples counselor Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:46 PM (#6100508)
I was shocked to find out that Freddie Freeman has 292 career dingers.

Totally threw me
   58. Srul Itza Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:53 PM (#6100509)
After that shaky start, I was surprised Cole lasted 6+
   59. Tom and Shivs couples counselor Posted: October 11, 2022 at 09:57 PM (#6100510)
Yankee Stadium seems super quiet
   60. Booey Posted: October 11, 2022 at 10:29 PM (#6100511)
#57 - Did you expect him to have more, or less?
   61. Walt Davis Posted: October 11, 2022 at 10:48 PM (#6100518)
#22 and the other odds posts: 77% may not be as crazy as it seems. Using our good friend the binomial distribution, a team with a 60% probability of winning each game has a 71% chance of winning a 7-game series. That 77% chance corresponds to 63% in each game; a 67% chance in the series is about a 58% chance in each game.

So are the Dodgers really a 630 team vs the Padres? That seems a bit high but they did go 14-5 in the regular season which is well above that. But they were just 14-12 against the other NL playoff teams ... but put those together for 28-17 which is 62%. That does all fall apart for the Braves who were just 11-8 vs the Phils and 30-28 vs NL playoff teams overall, hard to see how to get them close to a 58% probability. But arguably even harder for fg to get the Dodgers down to just 54/46 which would put the Dodgers about just a 52-48 favorite in each game.

The binomial assumptions -- the p in each game the same, each game independent of the rest -- probably aren't satisfied but as long as independence approximately holds, it doesn't matter a whole lot whether the p changes some from game to game as long as the mean is about right.

And of course it's right here that I remember these are 3 of 5, not 4 of 7 ... doesn't make a huge difference but the Dodgers would have to be 65-66% favorites in each game.
   62. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 11, 2022 at 10:51 PM (#6100519)
Joel Sherman
@Joelsherman1
The Yankees have gone full minor leagues -- Lights out with Nick Swisher waving an interlocking NY banner in a No. 99 jersey. I mean Yankee legend Nick Swisher. I remember when this used to be Yankee Stadium. #TheGoodOldDays
7:35 PM · Oct 11, 2022

What does that little rant even mean? What's he complaining about?
   63. Walt Davis Posted: October 11, 2022 at 10:53 PM (#6100521)
I was shocked to find out that Freddie Freeman has 292 career dingers.

In which direction? He's been at this a long while and has been pretty durable. I suppose I don't identify Freeman as one of those guys who debuted "really young" but he had a cup of coffee at 20 and was full-time at 21. He just finished his 12th full season.
   64. Walt Davis Posted: October 11, 2022 at 10:59 PM (#6100522)
What does that little rant even mean? What's he complaining about?

He doesn't think Swisher is a True Yankee ... but obviously he's forgotten about this! . The Yanks go for the title this weekend!!

Another Selig-Manfred difference: Selig never would have let the epic HRDX take attention away from the playoffs.
   65. nick swisher hygiene Posted: October 11, 2022 at 11:38 PM (#6100523)
I am a Yankee fan, and my user name is a tribute to both Nick Swisher and a urinal sanitation company. So I say the hell with Joel Sherman.
   66. The Honorable Ardo Posted: October 12, 2022 at 01:11 AM (#6100527)
Ha-Seong Kim got a center-cut fastball from Chris Martin and JUST got underneath it, hitting a can of corn to the left fielder instead of a game-tying home run. Dodgers survive.

Re: the Astros game, I endorse the thought process - better Ray than Sewald, and no use loading the bases for Bregman - but, man, did it ever blow up.
   67. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 12, 2022 at 07:31 AM (#6100531)
I am a Yankee fan, and my user name is a tribute to both Nick Swisher and a urinal sanitation company. So I say the hell with Joel Sherman.

Jolly Old St. Nick seconds that emotion. Swisher was a True Yankee from the day he donned the pinstriped laundry.
   68. TomH Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:30 AM (#6100532)
Walt D, I agree, the binomial approach is a good way to evaluate it, and I agree that thinking the Dodgers were 65% favorites in most games vs SD is high, as Snell and Yu D and Musgrove look about even with Kershaw and whoever-isn't-injured for LA.

Of course now that LA is up 1-0, sure, Id give it 77% :)
   69. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:57 AM (#6100533)
So the Phillies are limit like a team of density. 3 convincing away game wins. Not too shabby
   70. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 12, 2022 at 10:14 AM (#6100540)
Cleveland's pitching is good, but I don't know if they can score enough runs to hang with even a slumping, diminished Yankee team. That's 4 runs in 3 games for Cleveland. Not great, Bob!

Atlanta needs a win today. Strider is on the NLDS roster, but not sure if he'll be durable and effective, and their other options are shaky.
   71. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 12, 2022 at 10:16 AM (#6100542)
So I couldn't watch the M's game yesterday, and instead watched a replay this morning. What a ####### disaster. You touch up Verlander like that and then just utterly collapse. The kind of game it's fun to be on the right side of, but utterly devastating to be on the wrong side.
   72. Howie Menckel Posted: October 12, 2022 at 02:19 PM (#6100586)
this from The Athletic is amazing. how many times can you be an imbecile and still, with a 94 OPS+ at age 36, still get in the lineup every day?

"This wasn’t the first time Donaldson has been thrown out on the base paths this season after pimping a ball that ended up not clearing the fences. He has given up an out several times this season because of his poor decision-making."

[Boone not surprisingly was mealy-mouthed after the game. zero reason for Donaldson not to keep hot-dogging it - zero consequences no matter how many times he does it.]
   73. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: October 12, 2022 at 02:31 PM (#6100591)
It isn't just Donaldson. Torres has done the same thing many a time. I don't know what Boone says to them privately, but obviously it hasn't had much effect.
   74. NaOH Posted: October 12, 2022 at 03:03 PM (#6100599)
I don't know anyone who condones insufficient hustle on plays like this—opposed to a routine grounder or similar—but it's not like this is anything new, Howie. Reggie Hall of Fame Jackson got yanked from a game by Billy Martin for this. And maybe you need to re-live Timo Career 81 OPS+ Perez aiding Jeter's postseason highlight reel.
   75. Howie Menckel Posted: October 12, 2022 at 03:16 PM (#6100601)
you're making my point - lazy plays used to lead to negative consequences. now they don't.

teams now spend millions on minutiae designed to give them possibly a tiny edge in winning, yet a player loafing in a postseason close game is not something where any effort appears to be made toward preventing a repeat performance. it's absurd. and Donaldson isn't good enough to make for a complicated calculus here, either.
   76. Stevey Posted: October 12, 2022 at 03:38 PM (#6100604)
with a 94 OPS+ at age 36, still get in the lineup every day?


I am really, really, really loath to defend Donaldson, but, I mean, he put up 2.4 WAR this year. No, it's not anything extraordinary, but that's above average, and its not like there are guys on the street who can simply hustle their way to that kind of production. With LeMahieu out, the only alternative is Marwin Gonzalez and his 64 OPS+. You're damn right there isn't a complicated calculus here, its clear they need to keep playing the guy.



teams now spend millions on minutiae designed to give them possibly a tiny edge in winning


Francona had a complete boner of a game last night, leaving his average-ish starter in for a third time through the lineup despite having an elite bullpen that was completely rested, leaving his .512 OPS vs LHP 1B in against a LH reliever, putting the lesser fielder in RF and the better fielder at DH only for a key misplay to affect the game, not PH-ing for his catcher in the 7th despite carrying 3 catchers on the DS roster specifically for that purpose, and there has been zero public criticism of him. It's even more absurd.
   77. Astroenteritis Posted: October 12, 2022 at 03:50 PM (#6100607)
The Bagwell/Biggio Astros were great, but the current iteration is not worthy of anyone liking them


This is just obviously false.
   78. My name is Votto, and I love to get Moppo Posted: October 12, 2022 at 04:01 PM (#6100610)
I get having non-stop contempt for the holdovers from the trash can scandal-Altuve, Bregman, Gurriel.....anyone else?

Everyone loves Yordan, Verlander, and Dusty.
   79. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2022 at 04:04 PM (#6100612)
I'll pass on Verlander
   80. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 12, 2022 at 04:48 PM (#6100619)
I guess I just wasn't as scandalized by trashcan-gate as other people were.
   81. Howie Menckel Posted: October 12, 2022 at 04:50 PM (#6100620)
With LeMahieu out, the only alternative is Marwin Gonzalez and his 64 OPS+.

um, Oswaldo Cabrera has started 133 games at 3B in the minors. he batted 5th last night in LF, where he has started 9 games (1 minors, 8 majors).

Aaron Hicks had 1.8 WAR in 2022. Matt Carpenter, who is active and started 2 G at 3B for the Yankees this year, has the magical 2.4 WAR figure you seem to so admire.

if you want to make a point and incentivize players to stop loafing, you can - and they won't. so be it. with any luck, it will happen again and this time cost the Yankees a game.



   82. The Yankee Clapper Posted: October 12, 2022 at 05:13 PM (#6100622)
Tomorrow’s forecast looks pretty good … for rain at Yankee Stadium. A rainout would have the teams potentially playing 4 straight days Friday- Monday, with no travel days. That could hurt the Yankees a bit since they are a little thin in the bullpen, and could conceivably be worn down if it goes to a Game 5. Of course, winning in three would eliminate such concerns
   83. Infinite Yost (Voxter) Posted: October 12, 2022 at 05:21 PM (#6100625)
Aaron Hicks had 1.8 WAR in 2022.


? Aaron Hicks is an outfielder ?
   84. Howie Menckel Posted: October 12, 2022 at 05:26 PM (#6100627)
Oswaldo Cabrera can play anywhere. if they play him at third, the Yankees would need.... another outfielder to play left. as it happens, Hicks started a team-high 46 games there in 2022.
   85. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 12, 2022 at 05:52 PM (#6100630)
I guess I just wasn't as scandalized by trashcan-gate as other people were.


Me neither. Every team bends the rules. The Cardinals got stung for stealing info from these very same Astros and everyone hand waves it away. Both the Red Sox and Yankees were accused of electronic assisted sign stealing, etc.

Didn't the Braves get fined for shenanigans with the international draft or something?

I'm not saying it's right, just that I'm not one to single out one team for bending the rules. If someone else wants to take that high and mighty stand, well then the soapbox is all yours.
   86. fran Posted: October 12, 2022 at 06:23 PM (#6100635)
I think Dusty Baker was a great hire for the Astros. He casts this amazing shadow of benignity over the entire organization. I'm not sure why. (I have some thoughts but they aren't ready to share.)
We've all been treated recently to a barrage of articles, statements, memes questioning the legitimacy of the numbers 73, 70, 66. Sure, these are individual numbers but they did have an impact on team records & accomplishments. If Bonds' achievements are discounted, should Baker's be as well?
This is not my position. There are many many reasons why a particular baseball game is won or lost (leaving aside games featuring a transcendant Yordan Alvarez). I haven't gone back to review the record, but as a fan I thought Baker made some big mistakes during the 2002 World Series & I wish Bonds had a ring.
We seem to give managers a lot of leniency anyway; otherwise who could possible root for the team managed by Aaron Effing Boone?


   87. salvomania Posted: October 12, 2022 at 06:26 PM (#6100636)
The Cardinals got stung for stealing info from these very same Astros and everyone hand waves it away.

A big difference is that the Cardinals' scandal had little to do with anything that affected the game on the field. This was one overly zealous analytics guy who had the keys to the system and guessed correctly that the ex-Cardinal (Luhnow) had kept his same password in Houston, and was convinced that Luhnow had appropriated proprietary intellectual property, and in his twisted brain decided to hack into their system and expose him. That's very different from the players on the field that everyone recognizes, along with coaches and staff, implementing a plan to cheat during games.

BTW, the average fan may have yawned---and I wouldn't blame him/her--but the Cardinal guy lost his job, was arrested, went to prison, and is banned from working in MLB ever again.

And the Cardinals had to give up their first two draft picks from the next year, both of which went to Houston as compensation.

   88. cardsfanboy Posted: October 12, 2022 at 06:36 PM (#6100637)
Another big difference, is that it wasn't handwaved away as 87 points out. Add in the Cardinals are pretty much loathed already, that the scandal wasn't really going to change that perception much, while the Astros was pretty loved up until that point and the scandal really did affect how people see the organization.(Especially since they got a championship out of it)

Cardinals/Dodgers/Yankees and maybe the Red Sox are somewhat immune from having their reputations tarnished, because they aren't generally liked outside of their own fanbases. So if they do something, it's just another reason for people who don't like them, to continue not liking them. (among the lesser ( :) )teams I might put the Marlins in the same category)
   89. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 12, 2022 at 06:51 PM (#6100638)
This was one overly zealous analytics guy who had the keys to the system


You're speculating that others did not know about this. I'm inclined to disagree.

Cardinals/Dodgers/Yankees and maybe the Red Sox are somewhat immune from having their reputations tarnished, because they aren't generally liked outside of their own fanbases. So if they do something, it's just another reason for people who don't like them, to continue not liking them.


This I 100% agree with.

I suppose in my humble opinion I don't get the out and out vitriol that seems to be the level of hatred people usually reserve for Putin, Idi Amin or paedophiles. It's a game. Teams bend the rules all the time in search of an edge whether it's directly on the field or in the back of stat rooms; it's still cheating.
   90. salvomania Posted: October 12, 2022 at 07:00 PM (#6100639)
You're speculating that others did not know about this. I'm inclined to disagree.

I supposes I'm speculating, but that's based on the opinion reached in the MLB investigation.
   91. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 12, 2022 at 07:17 PM (#6100641)
I supposes I'm speculating, but that's based on the opinion reached in the MLB investigation.


That's fair enough.
   92. cardsfanboy Posted: October 12, 2022 at 07:34 PM (#6100644)
I suppose in my humble opinion I don't get the out and out vitriol that seems to be the level of hatred people usually reserve for Putin, Idi Amin or paedophiles. It's a game. Teams bend the rules all the time in search of an edge whether it's directly on the field or in the back of stat rooms; it's still cheating.


It's a temporary vitriol. It will subside in time, but it's going to be there for a few years. Nobody hates the White Sox anymore.(at least not for the Black Sox scandal)

Basically it will die down eventually but more than likely the Astros will need a couple of losing seasons in that time frame for people to forget. If they keep winning, people will dislike them.
   93. the Hugh Jorgan returns Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:15 PM (#6100648)
Anyway, we have a game(which I can no longer watch with my current investment in MLB.tv) so following on gameday...and it "looks" like a real pitcher's dual early on.
   94. Hombre Brotani Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:22 PM (#6100649)
It's a temporary vitriol. It will subside in time, but it's going to be there for a few years
And it's just sports hate, not real hate. If I could shoot Putin in the head, I'd make sure to empty the clip. If I could shoot A.J. Pierzynski, I'd take a moment, then aim for his knees. It's not the same.
   95. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:27 PM (#6100650)
As a card-carrying Deadhead, I find it humorous when Fox plays Dead music as they go to Commericial- if you had told Jerry 50 years ago that his tubes were going to be background music for the national baseball playoffs he would have assumed that Owsley had dosed you badly.
   96. NaOH Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:38 PM (#6100652)
Anyway, we have a game(which I can no longer watch with my current investment in MLB.tv) so following on gameday...and it "looks" like a real pitcher's dual early on.


I get free subscriptions to MLB.tv because of the annual T-Mobile giveaway. That includes the home and away radio broadcasts. Don't you at least still get those or international radio feeds?
   97. reech Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:39 PM (#6100653)
#95...
The guy who programs music for Fox is a Deadhead.
They've been playing Dead stuff as intros and outros for a few years already.
And didn't Jerry sing the National Anthem at a Giants game with Weir and Welnick once?
PS...which shows u going to?

   98. reech Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:39 PM (#6100654)
Deleted for redundancy
   99. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:43 PM (#6100656)
I don't go to the spin-off band stuff. Dead and Co are too down tempo for me. I live in area with a bunch of bands that cover dead stuff but I generally just listen to the old stuff. Get my Daves Picks every quarter
   100. The Duke Posted: October 12, 2022 at 08:46 PM (#6100658)
Seem like a lot of 0-0 baseball this post season
Page 1 of 6 pages  1 2 3 >  Last ›

You must be Registered and Logged In to post comments.

 

 

<< Back to main

BBTF Partner

Dynasty League Baseball

Support BBTF

donate

Thanks to
Darren
for his generous support.

You must be logged in to view your Bookmarks.

Hot Topics

NewsblogJays pitcher Anthony Bass sorry for posting video endorsing anti-LGBTQ boycotts
(99 - 2:49pm, Jun 03)
Last: base ball chick

NewsblogAaron Boone’s Rate of Ejections Is Embarrassing ... And Historically Significant
(8 - 2:47pm, Jun 03)
Last: The Honorable Ardo

NewsblogOMNICHATTER for June 2023
(82 - 2:40pm, Jun 03)
Last: The Duke

NewsblogBig Spending Begins To Pay Off For AL West-Leading Rangers
(11 - 2:39pm, Jun 03)
Last: Walt Davis

NewsblogEconomic boost or big business hand-out? Nevada lawmakers consider A’s stadium financing
(11 - 2:10pm, Jun 03)
Last: Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc

Newsblog2023 NBA Playoffs Thread
(2544 - 2:06pm, Jun 03)
Last: The Honorable Ardo

NewsblogOT Soccer Thread - The Run In
(430 - 1:48pm, Jun 03)
Last: Mefisto

NewsblogFormer Los Angeles Dodger Steve Garvey weighs U.S. Senate bid
(23 - 1:58am, Jun 03)
Last: Bob T

Newsblog8 big All-Star voting storylines to follow
(26 - 11:54pm, Jun 02)
Last: bjhanke

NewsblogMLB managers should be challenging a lot more in 2023
(4 - 10:22pm, Jun 02)
Last: The Duke

NewsblogThe Athletic: After 50 years, is this the San Diego Chicken’s last stand? [$]
(14 - 8:23pm, Jun 02)
Last: Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath

Hall of MeritReranking First Basemen: Discussion Thread
(35 - 4:10pm, Jun 02)
Last: bjhanke

Sox TherapyLining Up The Minors
(30 - 3:43pm, Jun 02)
Last: Darren

Sox TherapyThe First Third
(23 - 2:58pm, Jun 02)
Last: pikepredator

NewsblogDiamond Sports Group fails to pay Padres, loses broadcast rights
(23 - 2:21pm, Jun 02)
Last: Karl from NY

Page rendered in 0.4746 seconds
66 querie(s) executed