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Wednesday, October 05, 2011

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-5-2011

AP via Calgary Herald, October 5, 1986:

Cleveland Indians’ pitcher Phil Niekro, who has won 311 games, added another accomplishment to his illustrious career Saturday.  The 47-year-old knuckleball pitcher stole his first base—literally.

...

Niekro, in full uniform and wearing a red napkin over his face like a mask, burst out of Cleveland’s first-base dugout.  Niekro ran towards second base and dove headfirst into the bag.  Niekro looked up at second base umpire Vic Voltaggio, who gave a safe signal, and then pulled the bag out of the ground.  Niekro then sprinted into the Cleveland dugout, holding the base as a crowd of 11,991 cheered.

Being an Indians fan in the ‘80s wasn’t exactly what I’d call fun, but this is one of my fondest memories of that era.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 05, 2011 at 09:16 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 05, 2011 at 09:28 AM (#3952062)
Knucksie is now 72 years old! That makes my brain hurt.

A particularly bad birthday team today:
C: Bobby Hofman
1B: John Reilly
2B: Claude Ritchey
3B: Norm McMillan
SS: Rey Sanchez
LF: Andy Kosco
CF: Sam West
RF: Randy Bush
SP: Jim Bagby Sr.
SP: Si Johnson
SP: Dennis Bennett
SP: Alexi Ogando
SP: Bill Steele
RP: Terry Mathews

Hofman isn't really a catcher, but he started five career games there. That and 755 career PA at a rate of 99 OPS+ makes him the best option, which says a lot about the October 5 All-Stars.
   2. AndrewJ Posted: October 05, 2011 at 10:28 AM (#3952068)
And though last week wasn't very happy professionally, have a happy birthday, Bill James.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 05, 2011 at 12:26 PM (#3952097)
From the "Emails I Never Thought I'd Receive File" comes this subject line:
Chuck Knoblauch (@chuckknoblauch) is now following you on Twitter!
Um, okay, Chuck. Welcome. Enjoy the ride - from obscure MST3K references to my off-the-cuff thoughts about Aussie Rules Football, you've come to the right place.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: October 05, 2011 at 01:06 PM (#3952109)
Knucksie is now 72 years old! That makes my brain hurt.


Knucksie appeared to be 72 years old when I first started following baseball in the mid-1970s.
   5. Jose Canusee Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:29 PM (#3952190)
Knucksie appeared to be 72 years old when I first started following baseball in the mid-1970s.

I think that is what is making his brain hurt, that he didn't change.
   6. BDC Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:35 PM (#3952198)
I posted this yesterday in a chatter, but it's weird enough to post again: over seven postseason series in franchise history and three series wins, the Rangers have won more games now in St. Petersburg (5) than in Arlington (4).
   7. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:48 PM (#3952210)
That's some stat, BDC.

Somehow I know Phil Niekro is the same age as Gaylord Perry and I thought Gaylord Perry was pitching back in the fifties, so this doesn't surprise me. I'm more disturbed to find that Dave Winfield is 60.
   8. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:50 PM (#3952213)
Today is the 10th anniversary of Barry Bonds belting #71.

Also having an anniversary today: Joba vs. the bugs, The only doubleheader in Toronto in the last 20+ years, Bob Watson becomes the first black GM, Dave McNally w/ a Game Score of 97, two different one-hitters in the World Series, Marilyn Monroe files for divorce, Furillo & Pafko save the day, Al Gionfriddo robs DiMaggio, the Yanks win a World Series game after making the 27th out down by a run, Burleigh Grimes keeps a no-hitter in a Series game into the 8th, the last World Series tie - called very strangely, and the Yankees play their first postseason game, Christy Mathewson umps a game.

RANDOM QUESTION (not a trivia one, because I don't know the answer)
What stats have the same person holding the record for most in a single-season and career? Bonds does it for homers, walks, & IW. Rickey has stolen bases. Anything else?
   9. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:53 PM (#3952217)
Niekro was the oldest member of the rotation for the first-ever NL West champs, and then played another 18 years after that. The oldest pitcher for that 1969 Braves team was 16 years older than Niekro though.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:56 PM (#3952218)
What stats have the same person holding the record for most in a single-season and career? Bonds does it for homers, walks, & IW. Rickey has stolen bases. Anything else?


Nolan - strikeouts.
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 05, 2011 at 02:59 PM (#3952224)
Hughie Jennings - HBP. Biggio came SO CLOSE to tying the career mark.

I thought it was Jim Rice for GIDP, but he only became a GIDP machine in the last half of his career.
   12. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:01 PM (#3952226)
A-Rod leads in single-season and career salary.

Nolan Ryan only has the post-1900 strikeout record for a season, but I have only vague memories of what the 1884 and 1886 strikeout rules were.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:02 PM (#3952228)
Rickey - Caught Stealing.
   14. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:03 PM (#3952230)
SoSH - well, if you include 19th century pitchers Nolan doesn't hold the single-season record for Ks. This guy.
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:06 PM (#3952232)
SoSH - well, if you include 19th century pitchers Nolan doesn't hold the single-season record for Ks. This guy.


Yeah I saw that. I went to see if anyone had eclipsed Nolan's 383 (which was considered the record when he set it) and noticed that. I had no idea.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:09 PM (#3952238)
I'm more disturbed to find that Dave Winfield is 60.

He's one of the 3 RFs on my birth year allstar team, with Dave Parker, and Dwight Evans! Nice depth at that position.
   17. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:18 PM (#3952247)
1886 Baltimore Orioles pitching staff

Matt Kilroy
68 starts
583 IP
513 K

Jumbo McGinnis
25 starts
209.1 IP
70 K

Hardie Henderson
19 starts
171.1 IP
88 K

Everyone else
27 starts
243 IP
134 K
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:23 PM (#3952258)
What are the explanations for Kilroy's total? He pitched 6 more innings the following year and struck out almost 300 fewer guys.
   19. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:30 PM (#3952271)
It took four strikes to get a strikeout in 1887. Strikeouts were down dramatically across the board that year.
   20. The Long Arm of Rudy Law Posted: October 05, 2011 at 03:43 PM (#3952295)
The worst part of getting struck out by Matt Kilroy was how he would put his mitt to his face, with only his eyes and nose showing, and scream "Kilroy was here!"
   21. The District Attorney Posted: October 05, 2011 at 04:18 PM (#3952328)
What are the explanations for Kilroy's total? He pitched 6 more innings the following year and struck out almost 300 fewer guys.
He was just a man, whose circumstances went beyond his control.

The worst part of getting struck out by Matt Kilroy was how he would put his mitt to his face, with only his eyes and nose showing, and scream "Kilroy was here!"
You must have him confused with someone else...? Actually, he hid behind a mask, so no one else could see his true identity.

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