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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-1-2020

Washington Times, October 1, 1920:


Garry Herrmann, President of Cincinnati Club, Claims 1919 Flag Was Thrown

The startling charge that a “slush” fund of $20,000 was used to bribe players of the New York Giants to lose the National League championship to Cincinnati is reported to have been made by Herrmann. Affidavits supporting the charge are said to have been presented to the grand jury by the Cincinnati magnate.

Herrmann was the first witness before the jury today. He brought with him affidavits of pitcher Pat Hogan, pitcher James Ring, outfielder Earl Neale, and Christy Mathewson, former manager of the Cincinnati team.

Although details of Herrmann’s testimony are not known, it is reported he gave the grand jury information indicating that the alleged $20,000 fund to corrupt the Giants was raised in Chicago, presumably as a part of the gambling scheme revealed in confessions of players of the Chicago White Sox.

By my count, three position players on the 1919 Giants (Chase, Zimmerman, and Kauff) were banned for life. Officially, Kauff was banned for his alleged role in an auto theft ring, but there were also allegations that Kauff threw games.

Pitcher Shufflin’ Phil Douglas (Giants 1919-1922) was also banned for life, but his ban came years later as a result of a threat to jump the team in the middle of a pennant race because he was mad at John McGraw.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 01, 2020 at 10:25 AM | 7 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 01, 2020 at 10:27 AM (#5980167)
Some excellent front-line talent on today's Birthday Team.

C: Hal Naragon (-0.6 WAR)
1B: Mark McGwire (62.2 WAR)
2B: Rod Carew (81.3 WAR)
3B: Vance Law (10.7 WAR)
SS: Xander Bogaerts (22.9 WAR)
LF: Bob Boyd (6.6 WAR)
CF: Roberto Kelly (20.5 WAR)
RF: Jim Russell (17.8 WAR)

SP: Matt Cain (29.1 WAR)
SP: Bill Bonham (18.2 WAR)
SP: Ray Kolp (14.0 WAR)
SP: John Thomson (12.3 WAR)
SP: Carmen Hill (11.4 WAR)
RP: Jeff Reardon (18.6 WAR)

Manager: Roy Johnson
Catcher in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame, maybe (probably?) better than Naragon: Jiro Kuji
Early cult hero: Duster Mails
Fun names: Connor Sadzeck, Cy Sneed, Red Tramback
   2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 01, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5980174)
CF: Roberto Kelly (20.5 WAR)

This is probably the most shocking WAR total I've seen here for modern players. If you asked me Kelly's total I would have guessed 5.
   3. Rally Posted: October 01, 2020 at 10:45 AM (#5980177)
He lasted a reasonably long time. Quite the journeyman after the Yankees traded him for Paulie. Traded mid-season 3 times, and only once played back to back seasons with a single club (Rangers 98-99).
   4. Itchy Row Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:43 PM (#5980209)
There's a "FOOTBALL CLAIMS FIRST VICTIM OF '20 SEASON" headline at the bottom of that page. It's about a 17-year-old who broke his neck during practice.
   5. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 01, 2020 at 12:43 PM (#5980210)
Wow, Roberto Kelly played for 8 different teams.

12.8 of his WAR were in his 4 full-time years with the Yankees (1989-1992).

Like the extremely poor man's Darryl Strawberry (8 years, 36 WAR with the Mets; 9 years, then 5.6 WAR with the Dodgers and Yankees).
   6. Walt Davis Posted: October 01, 2020 at 07:03 PM (#5980356)
Yeah, Kelly surprised me too. He lasted far longer than I'd have guessed. 1/4 of his WAR came in 1990 when, really out of nowhere, he got credited with +22 TZ. But over the a career, those 2 WAR don't matter anyway.

But I notice his middle name is Conrado which sounds like it was made up by some drunk white guys at a Mexican restaurant.
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: October 01, 2020 at 07:10 PM (#5980358)
This is amazing.

Lou on the Babe

Listen to the link.

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