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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-26-2020

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, October 26, 1920:

President Ban Johnson, of the American League, and his five “loyal” club owners will meet in Cleveland this week. They will agree to meet with the National League owners and the Comiskey-Ruppert-Frazee faction of the American League when the joint meeting is held [in Chicago] November 8.

The dark clouds have rolled by and indications point to a full house when the gathering assembles [in Chicago] to reorganize the controlling body of the national game.

There had been some speculation that the five other AL owners and Ban Johnson were going to walk away from the American League and start a new league. They were angry about the reorganization plan that eventually wound up with Judge Landis serving as commissioner.

Elsewhere in the news 100 years ago today, Browns second baseman Joe Gedeon will testify in front of the Black Sox grand jury and the Los Angeles County grand jury looking into PCL corruption is still ongoing.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 26, 2020 at 10:13 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 26, 2020 at 10:14 AM (#5985440)
There are three pennant-winning managers (Selee, Gleason, and Hargrove) on today's Birthday Team. They've got a really good roster despite having four Cleveland Indians of the 1980s. (Harrah, Hargrove, Garland, Vande Berg)

C: Jesus Flores (0.9 WAR)
1B: Dick Hoblitzell (19.6 WAR)
2B: Snuffy Stirnweiss (27.2 WAR)
3B: Lee Tannehill (20.9 WAR)
SS: Toby Harrah (51.4 WAR)
LF: Mike Hargrove (30.4 WAR)
RF: Tommy Griffith (7.2 WAR)

SP: Steve Rogers (44.7 WAR)
SP/CF: Kid Gleason (41.5 WAR)
SP: Francisco Liriano (17.9 WAR)
SP: Doc Newton (9.5 WAR)
SP: Wayne Garland (7.9 WAR)
RP: Gil Heredia (10.2 WAR)
RP: Ed Vande Berg (6.5 WAR)

Manager: Frank Selee
General Manager: Roland Hemond
Fun names: Ed High, Monk Sherlock, Skipper Friday
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: October 26, 2020 at 10:42 AM (#5985444)
While looking up how to pronounce "Dode", one of the articles that gave the answer (here: it spells it Dody) also told me this:

"Moren is the "Hundred dollar pitcher," receiving a century note from his millionaire faither for every game he wins. He is a good man."

Lew Moren was in the majors for 6 years, doesn't have a SABR bio and barely has a wikipedia page, so any historians reading this: look into him.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: October 26, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5985446)
"Moren is the "Hundred dollar pitcher," receiving a century note from his millionaire father for every game he wins. He is a good man."
Paying for pitcher wins. What an idiot.
   4. base ball chick Posted: October 26, 2020 at 11:16 AM (#5985450)
sorry if this is the wrong page for posting this, but does anyone know the players deal about health insurance? i have tried to read through the long long agreement document, but IANAL, and would like to know if i am correct in believing that one day on the 25 roster means health insurance for life. What I want to know is, is this correct and also, is it free?
   5. The Mighty Quintana Posted: October 26, 2020 at 12:03 PM (#5985458)
If we need another outfielder for when Gleason pitches, then Szu Chi-Chou of Taiwan can give us some good at-bats. Szu-Chi-Chou
   6. Itchy Row Posted: October 26, 2020 at 12:13 PM (#5985462)
Snuffy left baseball to get a job at a bank, but then he had to leave that after he had a heart attack at age 38. Then the next year, he died when his train fell into Newark Bay.
   7. Gch Posted: October 26, 2020 at 03:22 PM (#5985518)
sorry if this is the wrong page for posting this, but does anyone know the players deal about health insurance? i have tried to read through the long long agreement document, but IANAL, and would like to know if i am correct in believing that one day on the 25 roster means health insurance for life. What I want to know is, is this correct and also, is it free?


MLB's website contains this page about health insurance from 2015 which might be helpful (assuming it's up to date, and I dunno about that).

Anyways, AFAICT from that, active players get health insurance with one day on the main roster but inactive/retired players need "at least 4 years of credited service under the Welfare Plan" to be eligible, and you need to "pay a portion of the cost of coverage" with three different plans available.

Hope that helps.
   8. puck Posted: October 26, 2020 at 11:39 PM (#5985603)
I did not know Kid Gleason was a player, and definitely did not know he both pitched and played a lot of games at 2nd base. 2389 innings pitched, over 1500 games at 2nd...were there other players like that in that era? (In a later era, I've heard of Babe Ruth.)
   9. Mike Webber Posted: October 27, 2020 at 11:03 AM (#5985658)
@8 - their were a few. John Mongomery Ward is a HOFer, Pitched nearly 300 games, played another 1500 in the field, mostly SS and 2b. Smokey Joe Wood played 400 games in the OF after his pitching days. Reb Russell's did that about the same time, but only played 138 games in the OF.


19th century pitcher Bob Caruthers was deployed more like Ruth as a Red Sox, playing 300 games in the OF when he wasn't pitching, but no post-pitching career as just a batter. Grasshopper Jim Whitney was also used this way. Probably quite a few 19th century pitchers actually, these were probably the 2 best of that type.

In 1923 Bob Smith came up to the majors as a SS played there 2 full years, then became a pitcher. 250 games in the infield, then 400 on the mound.

Bob Lemon was a starting 3b in the majors before becoming a SP.

Jake Bentley was a great minor league slugger and pitcher also with Jack Dunn in Baltimore, Mostly a pitcher in the majors, but 50 games at 1b.

Lefty O'Doul has a pitching story too, but not really a major league pitching story.



In the Negro Leagues, Cool Papa Bell was originally a pitcher before an arm injury moved him to the OF. Bullet Rogan and Martin DiHigo were pitchers and hitters. Double Duty Radcliffe. The Negro Leagues in the 1920's were similar to 19th century baseball, though they usually had even smaller rosters than 19th century clubs.
   10. vortex of dissipation Posted: October 27, 2020 at 01:42 PM (#5985693)

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