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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 10-4-2019

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, October 4, 1919:

POOR FIELDING BY CICOTTE FACTOR IN SOX’S DOWNFALL

How Runs Were Put Over Today
CINCINNATI
Fifth inning—With Roush out, Duncan rolled an easy grounder to Cicotte, which the pitcher proceeded to toss to the stands. Kopf singled to left, and Duncan scored when Cicotte allowed Jackson’s throw to get away from him. Kopf reached second on the play. Kopf counted on Neale’s double over Jackson’s head. Wingo and Ring were easy outs for Collins and Gandil. Two runs.

Man, Eddie Cicotte has been really unlucky in this series. And come to think of it, Jackson’s normally a better outfielder than that. Weird.

With the 2-0 win in Game Four, the Reds now lead the best of nine series 3-1.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:39 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: black sox, dugout, history

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5886408)
No huge stars on today's Birthday Team, but all the pitching you could ever want.

C: Kurt Suzuki (20.3 WAR)
1B: Mike Sharperson (5.5 WAR)
2B: Mark McLemore (19.5 WAR)
3B: Lonnie Chisenhall (9.0 WAR)
SS: Frankie Crosetti (23.9 WAR)
LF: Tony Gwynn Jr. (5.2 WAR)
CF: Drew Stubbs (8.3 WAR)
RF: Orator Shafer (19.4 WAR)

SP: Jered Weaver (34.4 WAR)
SP: Charlie Leibrandt (33.3 WAR)
SP: Ray Fisher (20.8 WAR)
SP: Kyle Lohse (18.5 WAR)
SP: Red Munger (15.2 WAR)
RP: Lary Sorensen (12.9 WAR)
RP: Ed Halicki (12.0 WAR)
RP: Bob Rhoads (11.8 WAR)
RP: Dennis Cook (10.7 WAR)
RP: Roger Pavlik (10.5 WAR)
RP: Bruce Ruffin (8.3 WAR)

Manager: Tony LaRussa
Backup manager: Jimy Williams
Backup backup manager: John Wathan
9 RBI on May 4, 1991, 32 RBI the rest of the season: Chris James
Fun names: Shorty Dee, Horace Speed
Not that one: Dave Johnson
Postseason hero: Billy Hatcher
Tragedy: Steve Olin
   2. Davo Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:41 AM (#5886409)
Randy Dobnak has made the Twins’ postseason roster. In July 2017 he was playing for the Utica Unicorns, of the United Shore Professional Baseball League.
   3. The Mighty Quintana Posted: October 04, 2019 at 12:50 PM (#5886447)
Boy, with that deep bullpen, LaRussa would be in heaven!

Chris James was Craig James' brother (of Pony Express and NE Patriots fame). Unfortunately, Craig has been more infamous lately.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:00 PM (#5886454)
Looking at Bob Tufts's career, there are a couple of connections to today's birthday team. The last major league game Tufts ever pitched ended with John Wathan deciding to run on Jesse Barfield's arm and getting thrown out at the plate. Wathan was also his last catcher.

A month later, the Royals traded Tufts straight up for Charlie Leibrandt, which worked out really well for KC.
   5. Bote Man Posted: October 04, 2019 at 01:02 PM (#5886456)
Jon Roegele @MLBPlayerAnalys
Here's what the strike zone looked like in 2019

The above link goes to a thread of at least 4 posts on Twitter that show average called strikes in 2007 vs 2019. It's worth clicking through to see the graphics.

Generally, the 2019 strike zone is about 40 square inches larger, mostly by lowering the bottom edge. The cause is left as an exercise to the reader.

I don't know where else to post this since it's not an article on the web, but it seems like this topic should be right in the wheelhouse for this site, at least going by the site name.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: October 04, 2019 at 04:06 PM (#5886576)
Jon Roegele @MLBPlayerAnalys
Here's what the strike zone looked like in 2019

The above link goes to a thread of at least 4 posts on Twitter that show average called strikes in 2007 vs 2019. It's worth clicking through to see the graphics.

Generally, the 2019 strike zone is about 40 square inches larger, mostly by lowering the bottom edge. The cause is left as an exercise to the reader.

I don't know where else to post this since it's not an article on the web, but it seems like this topic should be right in the wheelhouse for this site, at least going by the site name.


Very interesting. Certainly helps explain the K-explosion.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:48 PM (#5886715)
Yeah, Roegele has been doing work on this for years, had an annual article in Hardball Times (which maybe this is a continuation of). His tables show a current 16 sq-inch difference between RHH and LHH (RHH bigger) which is just nuts. Here's the latest HT article I found. This one only goes through 2013 but I think has more exploration of the shape of the zones.

But yeah, increasing size is a big factor in climbing K-rates ... but I hadn't seen his work over the last few years and had just assume the zone had stabilized which I guess it has in terms of total size but the bottom of the zone seems to have kept increasing.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: October 04, 2019 at 11:49 PM (#5886716)
On the birthday team: (a) Billy Hatcher was a much worse player than I expected him to be when he debuted; (b) Billy Hatcher was an even worse player than I realized.

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