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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-10-2020

New York Herald, November 10, 1920:

Detroit will be the home of the twelfth club of the National league if the warring baseball factions do not settle their differences. This is the unanimous opinion of those who appear to be in touch with the situation. The National League would not dare to invade minor league territory…and Detroit is the only available city in the American League where two major clubs could survive, it is said.

This is stemming from Ban Johnson’s ongoing meltdown about the possibility of hiring a baseball commissioner. From what I can tell, the idea was that the Red Sox, Yankees, and White Sox would join the NL along with a new Detroit club.

For his part, Johnson was said to be planning to add a team in either Baltimore or Toronto and creating third big league clubs in New York and Chicago. There’s much more about this here.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 10, 2020 at 10:35 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 10, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5988062)
A nice Birthday Team today. If a basketball game breaks out, Gene Conley is a nice weapon to have. If a drag race breaks out, don't tell Jack Clark - his attempt to break into racing didn't go particularly well.

C: Birdie Tebbetts (3.8 WAR)
1B: Norm Cash (52.0 WAR)
2B: Keith Lockhart (6.0 WAR)
3B: Larry Parrish (15.7 WAR)
SS/Manager: Jimmy Dykes (34.1 WAR)
LF: Billy Lush (8.8 WAR)
CF: Shawn Green (34.7 WAR)
RF: Jack Clark (53.1 WAR)

SP: Jim Whitney (56.1 WAR)
SP: Kenny Rogers (50.5 WAR)
SP: Gene Conley (16.9 WAR)
SP: Willie McGill (11.7 WAR)
SP: Cy Morgan (8.7 WAR)
RP: Bob Stanley (23.9 WAR)

-5.7 career WAR: Andres Thomas (-5.7 WAR)
Fun names: Butch Huskey, Slicker Parks, Chick King, Brian Dinkelman
   2. The Mighty Quintana Posted: November 10, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5988075)
If a Beethoven Symphony breaks out, Keith Lockhart can assist.
   3. Mefisto Posted: November 10, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5988080)
Have there been other all white birthday teams?
   4. Itchy Row Posted: November 10, 2020 at 12:11 PM (#5988084)
Billy Lush's brother Ernie had a one-game career, but he hit third that day and played the whole game. It looks like STL's regular CF got the day off and manager Roger Bresnahan kept the rest of the lineup in its usual order. Outside of the Allan Travers game, it's probably not too common for somebody to start and hit in the middle of the lineup in his only game.
   5. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: November 10, 2020 at 12:40 PM (#5988100)
Not often there's a 56 WAR player I haven't heard of. Also, once upon a time, Butch Husky was my favorite prospect. I thought with a name like that, there's no way this guy isn't going to be a star.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: November 10, 2020 at 12:46 PM (#5988103)
Not often there's a 56 WAR player I haven't heard of.

Likewise. Those 19th century pitchers are weird. 50+ WAR in eight years, and not even a winning record. Guess that happens when you pitch 500 innings in a season :-)

He was quite the hitter too.
   7. Itchy Row Posted: November 10, 2020 at 12:57 PM (#5988106)
Among ERA qualifiers, Whitney has the fifth-best and seventh-best SO/W seasons in MLB history, and the second and third best in NL history.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 10, 2020 at 01:13 PM (#5988113)
Brian Dinkelman


That's unusual that BR doesn't have a photo for a guy who was a major leaguer within the past ten years.
   9. salvomania Posted: November 10, 2020 at 01:27 PM (#5988116)
A nice Birthday Team today. If a basketball game breaks out, Gene Conley is a nice weapon to have.

Yesterday's team (if there'd been one) had a pretty good basketball player as well (he was an even better pitcher).
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 10, 2020 at 02:46 PM (#5988136)
The Mets have killed off their Kingsport and Columbia affiliates. Kingsport was pretty obvious, I guess, with the Appy League's death.
   11. caspian88 Posted: November 10, 2020 at 03:05 PM (#5988139)
"The National League would not dare to invade minor league territory..."

Times sure have changed.

After the 1920 season, the big minor leagues in the region MLB appeared to consider viable had teams in the following cities:

International League - Baltimore (734,000), Toronto (522,000), Buffalo (507,000), Jersey City (298,000), Rochester (296,000), Akron (208,000), Syracuse (172,000), Reading (108,000)
American Association - Milwaukee (457,000), Minneapolis (381,000), Kansas City (324,000), Indianapolis (314,000), Toledo (243,000), Columbus (237,000), Louisville (235,000), St. Paul (235,000)
Eastern League - Worcester (180,000), New Haven (163,000), Bridgeport (143,000), Hartford (138,000), Springfield (130,000), Albany (113,000), Waterbury (92,000), Pittsfield (42,000)

Newark (414,000) and Providence (238,000) were the largest cities within "MLB territory" that did not have minor league teams within the organized leagues. The Akron club in the IL was from Newark and would move back to Newark. Montreal (619,000) had been represented in the IL and would soon be again.

For reference, the cities represented by major league baseball in 1920:

New York (5,620,000), Chicago (2,702,000), Philadelphia (1,824,000), Detroit (993,000), Cleveland (797,000), St. Louis (773,000), Boston (748,000), Pittsburgh (588,000), Washington (438,000), Cincinnati (401,000)

...

Baltimore, Toronto, and Buffalo would certainly have been good candidates for a major league franchise, based on population, though they all would have needed new stadiums.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: November 10, 2020 at 03:35 PM (#5988143)
I thought with a name like that, there's no way this guy isn't going to be a star.

Maybe we need an all-star team. Razor Shines obviously. A few years ago, Detroit had Clete Thomas -- what else do you do with your life when your name is Clete? Zack Granite -- maybe better suited to football or wrestling or a character in a Leslie Nielsen movie but surely that kid had to be a star at something.
   13. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 10, 2020 at 04:18 PM (#5988149)
what else do you do with your life when your name is Clete?
Deputy sheriff, Hazzard County.
   14. AndrewJ Posted: November 10, 2020 at 08:04 PM (#5988195)
Jimmy Dykes, in his final years, lived across the street from my grandfather in suburban Philadelphia. His granddaughter was best friends with my aunt.

Tebbetts would be a decent Birthday Team manager... Both Frank Robinson and Henry Aaron played for him.

Gene Conley could also serve as Middle East travel agent for today's Team. And his Celtics teammate Tom Heinsohn died today.

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