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Wilmington [Delaware] Evening Journal, November 10, 1921:
Babe Pinelli, who had a chance with Detroit and was sent back to the Coast League for further seasoning, is said to be ready for another crack at the big show. Pinelli made one ecord as a major leaguer that will stand for a long time. In one season he worked the hidden ball trick four times, pulling it at the expense of such wide-awake fellows as Sam Rice, John McInness and others.
Perhaps unsurprisingly for a guy with that kind of baseball brain and attention to detail, Pinelli became an umpire. He was the guy behind the plate for Don Larsen’s perfect game.
Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee)
Posted: November 10, 2021 at 07:36 AM | 66 comment(s)
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1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 10, 2021 at 07:38 AM (#6052211)C: Birdie Tebbetts (3.9 WAR)
1B: Norm Cash (52.0 WAR)
2B: Keith Lockhart (6.0 WAR)
3B: Larry Parrish (15.6 WAR)
SS/Manager: Jimmy Dykes (34.7 WAR)
LF: Billy Lush (8.7 WAR)
CF: Shawn Green (34.7 WAR)
RF: Jack Clark (53.1 WAR)
SP: Jim Whitney (56.0 WAR)
SP: Kenny Rogers (50.5 WAR)
SP: Gene Conley (16.9 WAR)
SP: Willie McGill (11.7 WAR)
SP: Cy Morgan (8.8 WAR)
RP: Bob Stanley (23.9 WAR)
-5.7 career WAR: Andres Thomas (-5.7 WAR)
Fun names: Butch Huskey, Slicker Parks, Chick King, Brian Dinkelman, Hiawatha Shelby
Nobody actually thought he was a top tier defender. Nobody thought he actually could hit (though apparently he lasted because his swing looked better than the results it produced). And there were always other options.
Doug Flynn and Hal Lanier were legitimately good defensive players. Not Thomas
i vaguely remember the name so i looked him up. with the braves. i DID used to watch every single braves game i could on tbs
the late 80s braves were teh sukc. they didn't have anyone better i would guess and he got dumped as soon as they did
That was 1920. The two mentioned came within four days, Stuffy McInnis of the Boston Red Sox on June 19 and Sam Rice of the Washington Senators on June 22.
Name the player who is 10th in career bWAR for each franchise. Note, this counts only WAR earned with that franchise. To give you an idea of the kind of guys we're talking about, the average is 37. But there's quite a range, at the top, for the Braves, is a guy with 61 WAR. At the bottom is a guy who earned 13.5 WAR for the Rays. It's the entire franchise that counts, so the Twins get credit for the old Senators, etc. Eight of these players are in the hall of fame. One of them is still an active player.
ATL
NYY
SF
DET
BOS
CHC
LAD
CHW
OAK
PHI
PIT
CLE
CIN
MIN
STL
BAL
LAA
HOU
TEX
WAS
NYM
KC
TOR
SEA
MIL
SD
COL
ARI
MIA
TB
Harper is wrong, but that's the team with the active player. (Although no longer active for them.)
No on Beltran, but close. The actual guy is 3 WAR (for the NYM) behind him.
Trammell for Detroit?
Mike Piazza
Dwight Evans
Reggie Jackson
Jimmie Foxx
Randy Johnson
edit: Holy crap I got one!
ATL - 61 WAR, OF
NYY - Recent hall of famer, P.
SF - Very not recent hall of famer, 1B
DET - 1B
BOS - 2B
CHC - A Primer favorite, P
LAD - P
CHW - P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - OF
PIT - OF
CLE - SS
CIN - P
MIN - OF
STL - More famous for what he did off the field than on, OF
BAL - Browns player from the 20s, OF
LAA - Great fielder, OF
HOU - first MLB game in age 17 season, P
TEX - P
WAS - 3B
NYM - recent SS
KC - DH
TOR - OF
SEA - OF
MIL - 1B
SD - OF
COL - 3B
ARI - P
MIA - Spent only 2 seasons with them. (This is how sad the Marlins are), P
TB - SS
None of these guys are obscure (for Primates), although obviously some of the guys from expansion teams weren't great players. The Reds' player, although pretty good, is probably the most obscure. I knew that all of them played for their respective teams before looking into it.
Edit: adding positions.
Orioles - Clift?
ATL - 61 WAR, OF
NYY - Recent hall of famer, P.
SF - Very not recent hall of famer, 1B
DET - 1B
BOS - 2B
CHC - A Primer favorite, P
LAD - P
CHW - P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - OF
PIT - OF
CLE - SS
CIN - P
MIN - OF
STL - More famous for what he did off the field than on, OF
BAL - Browns player from the 20s, OF
LAA - Great fielder, OF
HOU - first MLB game in age 17 season, P
TEX - P
WAS - Anthony Rendon, 30
NYM - recent SS
KC - Hal McRae, 27.6
TOR - OF
SEA - OF
MIL - 1B
SD - OF
COL - 3B
ARI - P
MIA - Spent only 2 seasons with them. (This is how sad the Marlins are), P
TB - SS
Giants - Travis Jackson
Reds - Paul Derringer perhaps?
Edit-Bill Terry for the giants.
ATL - Andrue Jones - 61
NYY - Recent hall of famer, P.
SF - Very not recent hall of famer, 1B
DET - 1B
BOS - 2B
CHC - A Primer favorite, P
LAD - P
CHW - P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - OF
PIT - OF
CLE - SS
CIN - P
MIN - OF
STL - More famous for what he did off the field than on, OF
BAL - Browns player from the 20s, OF
LAA - Great fielder, OF
HOU - first MLB game in age 17 season, P
TEX - P
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - recent SS
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - OF
SEA - OF
MIL - 1B
SD - OF
COL - 3B
ARI - P
MIA - Spent only 2 seasons with them. (This is how sad the Marlins are), P
TB - SS
NYY - Recent hall of famer, P.
SF - Very not recent hall of famer, 1B
DET - 1B
BOS - 2B
CHC - A Primer favorite, P
LAD - P
CHW - P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - OF
PIT - OF
CLE - SS
CIN - P
MIN - OF
STL - More famous for what he did off the field than on, OF
BAL - Browns player from the 20s, OF
LAA - Great fielder, OF
HOU - first MLB game in age 17 season, P
TEX - P
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - recent SS
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - OF
SEA - OF
MIL - 1B
SD - OF
COL - 3B
ARI - P
MIA - Kevin Brown - 14.6
TB - SS
CIN - Eppa Rixey
MIN - Tony Oliva
Det - Norm Cash?
RedSox - Pedroia?
Cardinals - Curt Flood?
Cubs: Rick Reuschel
CLE: Lou Boudreau
STL: Curt Flood
ATL - Andrue Jones - 61
NYY - Recent hall of famer, P.
SF - Very not recent hall of famer, 1B
DET - 1B
BOS - Dustin Pedroia - 51.9
CHC - Rick Reuschel - 49.1
LAD - P
CHW - rookie year 2000, P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - not going to get into the hall, but a strong HOVG player, OF
PIT - 1900s player, OF
CLE - SS
CIN - P
MIN - OF
STL - Curt Flood - 42.3
BAL - Ken Williams - 40.7
LAA - Great fielder, OF
HOU - first MLB game in age 17 season, P
TEX - P
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - recent SS
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - OF
SEA - OF
MIL - 1B
SD - OF
COL - on original Rockie, 3B
ARI - P
MIA - Kevin Brown - 14.6
TB - SS
Not Cash. An even greater player than him.
Not Boudreau, but the CLE guy is one of the HOFers. (Hence not Chapman.)
Rixey isn't obscure enough for the Reds.
Not Oliva. He's 11th, and 0.7 WAR behind our guy.
The other guesses were right.
Bal Ken Williams
MIL Fielder Jr.
SEA Buhner
Cle Boudreau
Min Sam Rice
MIN-Bob Allison
Hou Jimmy Wynn
Williams already guessed.
Fielder is wrong.
Buhner is correct!
Greenberg is also correct!
And so is Joe Sewell!
But Bob Allison is not.
NYY - Mariano Rivera - 56.3
SF - Roger Connor- 53
DET - Hank Greenberg - 52.8
BOS - Dustin Pedroia - 51.9
CHC - Rick Reuschel - 49.1
LAD - pitched until age 43, P
CHW - rookie year 2000, P
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - not going to get into the hall, but a strong HOVG player, OF
PIT - Fred Clarke - 46.7
CLE - Joe Sewell - 45.9
CIN - played 1899-1906, P
MIN - one of the remaining HOFers, OF
STL - Curt Flood - 42.3
BAL - Ken Williams - 40.7
LAA - Darren Erstad - 32.6
HOU - Larry Dierker - 32
TEX - had three stints with the Rangers, P
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - recent SS
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - 1st round draft pick in 1978, OF
SEA - Jay Buhner
MIL - also played two stints with BOS, 1B
SD - led league in triples once, 0x AS (maybe the hardest one), OF
COL - Vinny Castilla - 17.5
ARI - I think of this guy as an Athletic, P
MIA - Kevin Brown - 14.6
TB - Julio Lugo - 13.5
Edited with new hints.
TB Julio Lugo
Lugo is correct. Good work on that one.
CHW - Buehrle
NYM - Reyes
Tex - Rogers
ARI - Haren
SD Gene Richards?
NYY - Mariano Rivera - 56.3
SF - Roger Connor- 53
DET - Hank Greenberg - 52.8
BOS - Dustin Pedroia - 51.9
CHC - Rick Reuschel - 49.1
LAD - Don Sutton - 48.4
CHW - Mark Buehrle - 48.7
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - not going to get into the hall, but a strong HOVG player, OF
PIT - Fred Clarke - 46.7
CLE - Joe Sewell - 45.9
CIN - played 1899-1906, P
MIN - the remaining HOF, OF
STL - Curt Flood - 42.3
BAL - Ken Williams - 40.7
LAA - Darren Erstad - 32.6
HOU - Larry Dierker - 32
TEX - Kenny Rogers - 31.4
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - Jose Reyes - 28.1
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - Lloyd Mosby - 26
SEA - Jay Buhner
MIL - George Scott - 22.5
SD - Gene Richards - 19
COL - Vinny Castilla - 17.5
ARI - Dan Haren - 15.1
MIA - Kevin Brown - 14.6
TB - Julio Lugo - 13.5
We're missing a recent HOVGer, a rather obscure turn of the century pitcher, and, surprisingly, a hall of famer.
Cin - Jimmy Ring
Phi - Shane Victorino
Garry Maddux.
One more. I need to go home in a minute, so y'all are on the clock.
ATL - Andrue Jones - 61
NYY - Mariano Rivera - 56.3
SF - Roger Connor- 53
DET - Hank Greenberg - 52.8
BOS - Dustin Pedroia - 51.9
CHC - Rick Reuschel - 49.1
LAD - Don Sutton - 48.4
CHW - Mark Buehrle - 48.7
OAK - Reggie Jackson - 48
PHI - Bobby Abreu - 47.2
PIT - Fred Clarke - 46.7
CLE - Joe Sewell - 45.9
CIN - Noodles Hahn - 44.5
MIN - Goose Goslin - 43.7
STL - Curt Flood - 42.3
BAL - Ken Williams - 40.7
LAA - Darren Erstad - 32.6
HOU - Larry Dierker - 32
TEX - Kenny Rogers - 31.4
WAS - Anthony Rendon - 30
NYM - Jose Reyes - 28.1
KC - Hal McRae - 27.6
TOR - Lloyd Mosby - 26
SEA - Jay Buhner
MIL - George Scott - 22.5
SD - Gene Richards - 19
COL - Vinny Castilla - 17.5
ARI - Dan Haren - 15.1
MIA - Kevin Brown - 14.6
TB - Julio Lugo - 13.5
I got home too late - I totally would have guessed Hahn. (Been working through this period in my pitcher rankings lately, Hahn does pretty well.)
Two family connections:
-- Jimmy Dykes lived down the street from my grandfather in suburban Philadelphia in the 1960s-1970s. Jimmy's granddaughter was close friends with my aunt.
-- Billy Lush coached my great-uncle on the Annapolis baseball team in the early 1920s.
A quick run through BB-Ref seems to indicate that Paige didn't pitch on his 47th birthday, or his 46th or 45th. Around his 47th birthday, he mostly pitched in losses. He was credited with wins about a month before and a month after his 47th. Jack Quinn didn't pitch on his 47th, either, but won ten games after his 47th birthday in 1930.
I noticed that Paige was signed on his birthday in 1948. Is that what this story grows from - that Paige once had a milestone sort of day on his birthday?
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