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Monday, November 11, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-11-2019

A collection of quotes from Pirates rookie pitcher Jack Wisner in the Pittsburgh Press, November 11, 1919:

“Put your dough on these here Pirates next season. We got that there flag in the National cinched, but them there cuckoos in that league ain’t got wise to that fact yet. They got some surprise party coming, I’ll say they has.”
...
“It’s good I’m with Pittsburg at that, because Pittsburg has got a lot of smoke and my fast ball has got more smoke than Pittsburg and we’ll be a smokey pair. I’ll say we will.”
...
“I got a curve ball that comes up to the plate and says ‘how do you do’ and then fades away in the catcher’s mitt if the catcher is lucky enough to have it in the right place. Then I got a slow ball which melts away from their bats if they ever are lucky enough to meet it. And I got a peach ball that Sam Crawford couldn’t hit even if his name does sound like a freestone. I’ll say I got aplenty.”

“But I sure is sorry I ain’t in the American league. They’s a lot of chesty guys in that league I’d like to set down hard and put in their right place. I sure does hate a chesty ball player; they gets on my nerves. I’ll tell the world they does.”

I think I have a new favorite player from this era.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 11, 2019 at 10:50 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 11, 2019 at 10:52 AM (#5900315)
Today's Birthday Team has an excellent group of position players and a shaky pitching staff. That's one heck of an infield.

C: Dutch Dotterer (0.7 WAR)
1B: Hal Trosky (30.5 WAR)
2B: Damion Easley (20.5 WAR)
3B/Manager: Pie Traynor (36.2 WAR)
SS: Rabbit Maranville (42.8 WAR)
LF: George Treadway (3.9 WAR)
CF: Freddy Parent (35.9 WAR)
RF: George Case (15.3 WAR)

SP: Bill Steen (7.6 WAR)
SP: Ike Delock (6.4 WAR)
SP: Jason Grilli (4.6 WAR)
SP: Ownie Carroll (4.4 WAR)
SP: Charlie Hastings (2.4 WAR)
RP: Roberto Hernandez (18.5 WAR)

General Managers: Farhan Zaidi, Kevin Towers
The ultimate fun name: Tony Suck
Lesser fun names: Boob Fowler, Patricio Scantlebury, Harry Billiard, Jeff Ransom
Bonds homer giver upper: Mike Bacsik
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: November 11, 2019 at 11:19 AM (#5900322)
I wonder how he would have felt about chesty ump wives? NSFW.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: November 11, 2019 at 11:44 AM (#5900329)
That edition of the Pittsburgh Press has an article about a couple of bombings in Donora, PA. That was just over a year before Stan Musial was born. Buddy Griffey was born there some time around then too.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: November 11, 2019 at 11:46 AM (#5900330)
The ultimate fun name: Tony Suck
Lesser fun names: Boob Fowler
Too bad you can't combine the two of them to get... Tony Fowler.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 11, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5900338)
1B: Hal Trosky (30.5 WAR)

his career essentially ended at age 27 because of severe migraines. Shame
   6. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 11, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5900358)
Trosky is my favorite ballplayer of his era. He was a legitimately great hitter, a Hall of Fame caliber hitter, and his career just came to a screeching halt out of the blue.

Out of curiosity, I ran a Brock2 on his career stats through age 27. 2849 hits, 455 home runs, 624 doubles, .298 career average, 1752 RBI. Trosky was basically Mel Ott, if not for those headaches.
   7. The Run Fairy Posted: November 11, 2019 at 01:43 PM (#5900363)
“I got a curve ball that comes up to the plate and says ‘how do you do’ and then fades away in the catcher’s mitt if the catcher is lucky enough to have it in the right place. Then I got a slow ball which melts away from their bats if they ever are lucky enough to meet it. And I got a peach ball that Sam Crawford couldn’t hit even if his name does sound like a freestone. I’ll say I got aplenty.”


That's big talk from somebody who started 6 games in his MLB career and struck out 2.4 per nine innings. That being said, he had an above-average ERA and his minor league numbers were also above-average. I would think somebody would've given him a shot somewhere. Maybe his personality just rubbed people the wrong way?
   8. Itchy Row Posted: November 11, 2019 at 03:46 PM (#5900383)
Wisner was coming off an age 19 season where he won 22 games in the minors and had a 0.96 ERA in his 18 major league innings. As far as he knew, his career was only going to get better and better.
   9. AndrewJ Posted: November 11, 2019 at 04:50 PM (#5900400)
In the early 1990s I purchased the first three volumes of The Fireside Book of Baseball series at a used bookstore in Syracuse owned by today's Birthday Team catcher. He was a good guy.
   10. Walt Davis Posted: November 11, 2019 at 05:01 PM (#5900407)
Speaking of fun names, I stumbled across this guy the other day and it turns out you missed him last week Dan (Nov 5 birthday) ... Mr. Putsy Caballero
   11. RJ in TO Posted: November 11, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5900412)
During his career, from 1937 to 1947, George Case had 349 steals. During that period, the next highest total for a player was 151 steals. His 61 steals in 1943 were the most for any player between 1931 (Ben Chapman) and Maury Wills (1962). He led the AL in steals 6 times over an 8 year period.
   12. Itchy Row Posted: November 11, 2019 at 05:59 PM (#5900424)
Putsy Caballero's first manager was Fat Freddie Fitzsimmons, who was once traded for Jack Wisner.
   13. AndrewJ Posted: November 11, 2019 at 07:16 PM (#5900432)
Freddy Parent was the last surviving player from the 1903 World Series. George Case's son and namesake is a former SABR president.

And Rabbit Maranville once wore a big league cap with a swastika on it. Story
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 11, 2019 at 07:32 PM (#5900436)
Freddie Parent was primarily a shortstop, although he played enough CF for him play there on the birthday team. His career overlapped second baseman Cupid Childs by a couple of years, and they played together briefly for the 1899 St. Louis Perfectos. Unfortunately, the only games Parent got into that year were as a second baseman, which meant that Parent and Childs were never the double play combination. A pity.
   15. AndrewJ Posted: November 11, 2019 at 08:09 PM (#5900444)
Speaking of Freddy Parent, here he is on a 1960 "I've Got a Secret" with 1903 Pittsburgh Pirate Tommy Leach.
   16. crict Posted: November 11, 2019 at 10:07 PM (#5900486)
That's a very cool clip, thanks.
   17. The Honorable Ardo Posted: November 12, 2019 at 01:00 AM (#5900517)
Too bad you can't combine the two of them to get... Tony Fowler.
Tony Fowler
He sounds like a really cool dude... a noted digital surrealist artist who happens to be deaf.

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