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Tuesday, November 24, 2020

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-24-2020

Bismarck Tribune, November 24, 1920:

Jim (Hippo) Vaughn a pitcher for the Chicago cubs, was stabbed by his father-in-law at midnight during an argument at the Vaughn home [in Kenosha]. He is in a serious condition at the city hospital.

Hippo recovered and pitched in 1921, but he wasn’t the same and was out of the big leagues for good by July. I can’t seem to find out where on his body he was stabbed, so it’s tough to tell if the stabbing ended his career or if his career was ended by being an out-of-shape 33-year-old who had thrown 900 innings in the past three years.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2020 at 10:41 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2020 at 10:43 AM (#5990954)
A deep Birthday Team today. Al Martin is the worst position player on the roster and he had 1172 hits, 132 home runs, and 173 stolen bases over an 11-year MLB career.

C: Steve Yeager (17.9 WAR)
1B: Jim Northrup (22.1 WAR)
2B: Jose Lopez (10.0 WAR)
3B: Randy Velarde (24.9 WAR)
SS: Billy Rogell (24.8 WAR)
LF: Joe Medwick (54.3 WAR)
CF: Al Martin (7.4 WAR)
RF/Not that one: Non-Tioga George Burns (39.4 WAR)

SP: Bob Friend (40.8 WAR)
SP: Ben McDonald (20.8 WAR)
SP: Cal Eldred (15.8 WAR)
SP: Jarrod Parker (6.5 WAR)
SP: Damian Moss (1.7 WAR)
RP: Horacio Ramirez (1.9 WAR)

Fun name: Stub Smith
Not that one: Fred Smith
Pinch Hitter: Dave Hansen (3.7 WAR)
   2. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 24, 2020 at 12:49 PM (#5990963)
This newspaper article states that "Vaughn was cut about three inches deep in the abdomen."
   3. crict Posted: November 24, 2020 at 12:55 PM (#5990966)
Complementing Vortex: Wikipedia used to have this (removed for not citing a source):
As Vaughn was returning to his home he was met on the street by his father-in-law, and an argument followed. DeBolt, according to the police report, slashed at the pitcher with a razor, cutting through his overcoat and inflicting a wound to the stomach. Vaughn was taken to the Kenosha Hospital and was able to leave the facility within a few days. Following the stabbing incident, DeBolt fled the city and was sought by police in several jurisdictions.
   4. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 24, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5990967)
Nice. Thanks, guys!
   5. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 24, 2020 at 01:00 PM (#5990969)
Jose Lopez has had a significant NPB career as a first baseman with the Giants and BayStars for last eight seasons, putting up a line of .274/.314/.492 with 198 home runs; he's cleared the 30 HR mark in three seasons, and led the Central League in RBI in 2017. He slumped in 2020, hitting only .246/.269/.396 with 12 HR in 81 games.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 24, 2020 at 01:06 PM (#5990970)
Lopez played more than 1000 MLB games from 2004-12 and even had a 3.7 WAR, 67 extra-base hit, 96-RBI season, and was nondescript enough for me to have no recollection of him whatsoever.
   7. RJ in TO Posted: November 24, 2020 at 01:25 PM (#5990972)
You don't remember this thread?
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: November 24, 2020 at 02:32 PM (#5990976)
Ha! No, no I do not. That’s...quite a thread.
   9. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: November 24, 2020 at 03:09 PM (#5990981)
This newspaper article states that "Vaughn was cut about three inches deep in the abdomen."

Yikes, that had to be almost one-fifth of the way into Hippo.
   10. caspian88 Posted: November 24, 2020 at 04:08 PM (#5990992)
I figured Vaughn was a big guy, given his nickname, but I didn't realize how big he was - 6'4" and 215 pounds was huge for the era. I could only find two other players from the 1920 National League as tall as Vaughn - Eppa Rixey (6'5") and George Kelly (6"4").

I think Vaughn was one of the pitchers available in the Superstar Baseball game, and as such when I was a kid I thought he was much better than he actually was. Looking back at him, though, he appears to have been closer to that image than the image of a good but historically unexceptional pitcher I've had for years. He had a very good five year peak, but perhaps this stabbing wound (if that is indeed what turned him from excellent pitcher to dreck) cost him a Hall of Fame career (give him another good season and maybe a decline year or two and he surpasses 200 wins and 3000 innings, perhaps around 55 WAR - not a great selection in hindsight, but not one worth complaining about).
   11. Walt Davis Posted: November 24, 2020 at 04:25 PM (#5991001)
Hmmm ... after 2009 ...

Lopez <1 WAR
Lowe 0 WAR
Vargas 18 WAR, 9 of it before FA in 2014
Danks 8 WAR, 5 of it in 2010

White Sox would have lost a bit in 2010 then won the trade after that. The Ms later traded Vargas's last pre-FA year for a 3-WAR year from Kendrys Morales. Vargas just kept (maybe keeps) exceeding expectations.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 24, 2020 at 05:01 PM (#5991010)
SP: Bob Friend (40.8 WAR)

Bref shows him with 46.8

most lifetime WAR, losing lifetime record

1 Bobo Newsom 51.3
2 Nap Rucker 47.1
3 Bob Friend 46.8
4 Murry Dickson 43.0
5 Tom Candiotti 42.3
6 Danny Darwin 40.3
   13. Sweatpants Posted: November 24, 2020 at 05:58 PM (#5991017)
At the top of the page it shows him with 40.8, the combined total of his pitching and (terrible) hitting.
   14. Walt Davis Posted: November 24, 2020 at 08:23 PM (#5991031)
Man, that was some terrible hitting -- 121/150/144 with a 29% K-rate. A career 178 BABIP which is hard even for a pitcher.

Which raises the question -- which position player loses the most WAR due to his pitching? I don't know that there have been enough with enough innings to matter. The occasional old guy who was a genuine 2-wayer surely pitched well enough to add WAR. I looked up Kieschnick and he was average in his 96 innings (more than I realized ... and with a better FIP than ERA!) Looking back, I'm not sure why that experiment ended. In 2003 he was solid with the bat and worth 1.2 WAR overall; in 2004 he got pretty good results on the mound but was lousy at bat but still 0.7 WAR total which is fine for a reliever/pinch-hitter. He hit well but pitched terribly at AAA in 2005.

EDIT: Despite Maddon's best efforst, Ohtani still has positive WARpit; Ankiel does too of course.

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