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Tuesday, November 26, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 11-26-2019

El Paso Herald, November 26, 1919:

Grief reigns in the Ruth family. Bobby Meusel, a mere coast league player, has busted one of Ruth’s “stock” of bats—the “stock” consisting of two specially made clubs.

“Babe” Ruth, the superbatsman, was playing in an exhibition game and had his bats ready in case of emergency. It was Meusel’s turn at bat, and the sturdy Coast leaguer, wishing to have the privilege of batting with one of the clubs that has sent many a horsehide over the big league fences, picked out one of Ruth’s “private stock.”

The ball came straight down the groove and Meusel let go. A sound of splitting wood filled the air as the ball rolled down the field, and Ruth’s bat busted right at the handle. The question now has arisen as to who is the best batsman—Ruth or Meusel. Many believe that Bobby takes the honors, inasmuch as he busted the champion’s bat; while others maintain that the Vernon player failed to hold the bat correctly.

I’ll go with Option C*, that Meusel absolutely knew what he was doing with a bat in his hands, but Ruth was incomprehensibly great.

* - I will not go with Option J, at least not right now.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 26, 2019 at 10:13 AM | 14 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: babe ruth, dugout, history, option j

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: November 26, 2019 at 10:14 AM (#5903984)
A sneaky-good Birthday Team today. Nobody on the roster is going to completely blow your socks off like Ruth or Aaron or Walter Johnson, but they've got extremely strong players everywhere.

C: Brian Schneider (6.8 WAR)
1B: Fred Tenney (43.9 WAR)
2B: Matt Carpenter (26.7 WAR)
3B: Richie Hebner (33.0 WAR)
SS: Eddie Miller (23.7 WAR)
LF: Bob Johnson (57.3 WAR)
CF/Manager: Hugh Duffy (43.1 WAR)
RF: Bob Elliott (50.4 WAR)

SP: Chuck Finley (57.9 WAR)
SP: Lefty Gomez (38.4 WAR)
SP: Mike Moore (27.9 WAR)
SP: Larry Gura (21.4 WAR)
SP: Matt Garza (12.2 WAR)
RP: Jay Howell (15.0 WAR)

Defensively challenged bench bat: Jorge Orta (14.9 WAR)
Fun names: Bill Malarkey, Hanson Horsey, Josh Smoker, Gussie Gannon
Broadcaster: Nat Allbright
Writer: Charley Feeney
   2. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: November 26, 2019 at 11:35 AM (#5904000)
M's sign K.Graveman for 1.5, w/ a 3.5m t-option (500k buyout).
   3. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: November 26, 2019 at 11:40 AM (#5904002)
That's not sneaky good. that's outstanding.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: November 26, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5904010)
It's also Harold Reynolds and Jeff Torborg's birthday. Reynolds could be the Offensively challenged bench glove to go with Orta at second, and Torborg had a better record as manager than Duffy did.

Bob Walk won over 100 games but doesn't really come close to making the rotation. This is a really good and deep team.
   5. caspian88 Posted: November 26, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5904018)
Hugh Duffy is a Hall of Famer, but ranks only fourth among position players born on this day in WAR. Similarly, Lefty Gomez ranks second among pitchers.
   6. Walt Davis Posted: November 26, 2019 at 02:06 PM (#5904049)
Wow, Jeff Torborg could not hit a lick. Career 57 OPS+ in over 1500 PA, career best of 85 at 240/290/347.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: November 26, 2019 at 02:07 PM (#5904050)
Torborg had a better record as manager than Duffy did.

I always was grateful when Torborg got another manager gig because it kept him off ESPN
   8. KJOK Posted: November 26, 2019 at 02:44 PM (#5904064)
And Howard Easterling is a strong Negro League middle infielder to add to the team.
   9. Traderdave Posted: November 26, 2019 at 03:24 PM (#5904076)
Chuck Finley had 59 WAR? I'd have lost a bet on that one. Does that qualify him for the All Time Underrated Team?
   10. vortex of dissipation Posted: November 26, 2019 at 03:48 PM (#5904081)
Hugh Duffy is a Hall of Famer, but ranks only fourth among position players born on this day in WAR.


Teams usually played seasons of 140 games or less for much of the time that Duffy was playing, which decreases WAR totals when compared with players who played seasons of 154 or 162 games.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: November 26, 2019 at 04:38 PM (#5904100)
Grief reigns in the Ruth family

Clickbait
   12. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: November 26, 2019 at 04:57 PM (#5904109)
Chuck Finley had 59 WAR? I'd have lost a bet on that one. Does that qualify him for the All Time Underrated Team?


Which of these other 90's pitchers failed to get 50 WAR?

Kevin Appier
Kenny Rogers
Mark Langston
David Cone
David Wells


   13. Walt Davis Posted: November 26, 2019 at 05:16 PM (#5904112)
Teams usually played seasons of 140 games or less for much of the time that Duffy was playing, which decreases WAR totals when compared with players who played seasons of 154 or 162 games.

True enough but from ages 22-32, he totaled 6916 PA which is 629 per season which is, just as examples, about 400 more PA than Trammell for the same ages or 300 fewer PA than Santo ages 23-33 (and he was incredibly durable in his youth). Duffy's "low" WAR total is more due to the fact that he managed only 617 PA after age 32 (with good rate stats). Looking at the full list, Duffy is 46th all-time in PA for ages 22-32, only 3 behind Barry Bonds, less than 100 behind Billy Williams (who set the NL record for consecutive games in this stretch), <300 behind Yaz ... even just 800 behind Rose and 900 behind all-time leader Ripken. Give him another 900 PA at his 22-32 rate and he adds 5.3 WAR and that's basically under the assumption he took no innings off for 11 years.

In a bWAR sense and somewhat a career sense, Duffy and Vada Pinson are good comps. From 22-32, Pinson had just over 7000 PA and 38.9 WAR; Duffy had just over 6900 and 39.6 WAR. Duffy would have added extra PAs in his prime with a longer schedule but Pinson was excellent at 20-21 with 1400 PA and 12 WAR -- Duffy wasn't gonna match that with a longer schedule. Pinson added plenty of PA but not a lot of value after 32; Duffy added few PA and about the same value. So in all likelihood, Duffy with a longer schedule comes in at least a few WAR behind Pinson's 54 career total -- which of course is basically the same guesstimate as above, something like 48-50 WAR at best.

Which likely still leaves him behind Elliott and Johnson. He would pass Tenney except some of his career came in shorter seasons too so we'd have to give him a boost ... probably a smaller one than we'd give Duffy though so Duffy probably still pulls ahead. So Hugh Duffy, somewhere between Fred Tenney and Vada Pinson.

Duffy does have pretty nice black ink (35) and smashed 18 HR in 1894 -- an absolutely monster season also featuring 237 hits, 51 doubles and 16 triples ... a meager 440/502/694 line. That 440 BA is the best of all-time and also the TB record until 1920 (no, Sisler for one year). (Sam Thompson out-slugged him by 2 points; 2 years later, Jesse Burkett topped him by 3 hits.) I can imagine that season alone might have put him in the HoF.

Who knew Manfred was in charge of baseball production in 1894.
   14. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: December 02, 2019 at 06:35 PM (#5905036)
“Babe” Ruth, the superbatsman


I love it.

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