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Thursday, December 02, 2010

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-2-2010

Pittsburgh Press, 100 years ago today:

Larry McLean, famous Red catcher, announced today that he would play ball again only on the salary basis of 25 cents for every drink he refused during the year.

...

“Since I have made the announcement of the only terms I will sign under, I would have made $80, just by turning down offers to take a tumble off the aqua aeroplane, but nix for me.”

I wish people still talked like that.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 02, 2010 at 11:32 AM | 23 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. esseff Posted: December 02, 2010 at 03:51 PM (#3700797)
Five things that jump out on Larry McLean's bb-ref page:

He played five more years after this declaration; dunno if on his unusual terms.

After he played all of one game for the Cubs in 1903, they were able to trade him, and pitcher Jack Taylor, to the Cardinals for a second-year pitcher named Mordecai Brown.

He was big: 6-5, 228, which 100 years ago might have made him seem like Frank Howard.

He was a Canadian, a New Brunswickian (?) specifically.

Dunno if he was able to stay off the bottle, but he died at 39.
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 02, 2010 at 03:57 PM (#3700806)
Dunno if he was able to stay off the bottle, but he died at 39.

See, big catchers don't last long.
   3. esseff Posted: December 02, 2010 at 04:50 PM (#3700856)
Harold Seymour on Larry McLean, from "Baseball: The Golden Age"

Newspapers were full of gossipy stories about another unfortunate alcoholic, Larry McLean. One story that appeared in his home-town newspaper, where his wife and mother read it, had him missing a blackboard talk by the manager because he had a date with a flashy blond. The club tried everything in an effort to straighten him out. It inserted a special non-drinking clause in his contract, stipulating that if he fell from grace he could be suspended without salary for a year and there would be no redress to the National Commission. Nevertheless, his ways remained unchanged, and when he tried "resigning" from his contract the club suspended him. It later relented and signed him to another special contract providing for a fine every time he was away from the hotel after midnight. Finally, the club hired a detective to keep tabs on him. In one report the detective gave a run-down of McLean's activities on a certain evening: he started out drinking beer at Schubert's in Cincinnati and soon began shouting, "To hell with Griffith!" (his manager); from there he made the rounds, moving from one saloon to another to elude his wife, who was trying to catch up with him and calm him down; when he woke up to the fact that he was being tailed, he tried to have the detective arrested. McLean's wages were repeatedly garnisheed to satisfy creditors, and the club arranged to have his wife or daughter pick up what was left of them. Violation of training rules, fights with the manager, fines and suspensions marked the rest of his short career. Several years later he was shot and killed in a saloon brawl in Boston.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: December 02, 2010 at 04:57 PM (#3700869)
First non-tenders: Blaine Boyer, DJ Carrasco, Ryan Church and Augie Ojeda from AZ.
   5. phredbird Posted: December 02, 2010 at 05:02 PM (#3700874)
I wish people still talked like that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138537/
   6. phredbird Posted: December 02, 2010 at 05:03 PM (#3700877)
dang, i can't remember how to make copy active.
   7. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2010 at 05:06 PM (#3700879)
echoing JJ:
mlbtraderumors has a non-tender tracker. Guys who, supposedly, will be n-t'd today include: Blaine Boyer, D. J. Carrasco, Ryan Church, Augie Ojeda (Ari), Tony Gwynn Jr, Scott Hairston (SD), Jose Lopez (Sea), Zach Miner (Det), Hideki Okajima (Bos).
   8. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2010 at 06:10 PM (#3700941)
Carrasco seems like he's been pretty good the last few years. And they traded to get him last summer, despite being out of it. What gives?
   9. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: December 02, 2010 at 06:28 PM (#3700959)
Bobby Jenks is a likely n-t as well (espnchicago).

Carrasco: I knew he was a candidate, but I'm a little surprised. I guess it's just a cost issue + Towers wasn't there then.
   10. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 02, 2010 at 06:32 PM (#3700963)
Carrasco: I knew he was a candidate, but I'm a little surprised. I guess it's just a cost issue + Towers wasn't there then.

Carrasco was non-tendered last year, as well.

I think teams are realising that it's cheaper to dump arb-eligible relievers and look for replacements on the open market.
   11. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 02, 2010 at 06:41 PM (#3700976)
According to the Play Index, McLean was the tallest (second tallest if you count Anton Falch from the Union Association) non-pitcher who played before WWII.

By the way, Anton Falch would have turned 150 on Saturday, but he only made it halfway there.
   12. Bob Evans Posted: December 02, 2010 at 07:35 PM (#3701047)
I wish people still talked like that.

It is much easier for me to believe he really said, "The SOB said he'd pay me more if I laid off the mother***ing booze, but I said f*** that unless they pay me for every f***ing drink I turn down."
   13. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2010 at 09:40 PM (#3701142)
Heyman sez White Sox close to signing Dunn.
   14. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 02, 2010 at 09:56 PM (#3701153)
Gammons says its a done deal. 4/$65
   15. Hello Rusty Kuntz, Goodbye Rusty Cars Posted: December 02, 2010 at 10:06 PM (#3701161)
I'm seeing 4/$56 instead of $65.
   16. phredbird Posted: December 02, 2010 at 10:07 PM (#3701162)

i wish people still talked like that.

trying again.
   17. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 02, 2010 at 10:13 PM (#3701171)
I'm seeing 4/$56 instead of $65.

That's what I see.

I don't know where that money is coming from. It's pretty stunning, if true.
   18. CWS Keith plans to [omitted] at [omitted] Posted: December 02, 2010 at 10:25 PM (#3701182)
That's what I see.

I don't know where that money is coming from. It's pretty stunning, if true.


Back of the napkin, but this puts them right over $100 million if you count Danks + Quentin arbitration, right? The Sox were around $105 million not counting what they paid Jackson and Manny, so a payroll anywhere in the $105-115 range doesn't strike me as absurd.
   19. More Dewey is Always Good Posted: December 02, 2010 at 11:01 PM (#3701219)
Back of the napkin, but this puts them right over $100 million if you count Danks + Quentin arbitration, right? The Sox were around $105 million not counting what they paid Jackson and Manny, so a payroll anywhere in the $105-115 range doesn't strike me as absurd.

It's @ $105 million right now (assuming Quentin and Danks come back for around $10 million combined), but that's for 16 players (15 if you don't count Jake Peavy). The only pre-arb players that are guaranteed roster spots are Beckham and Sergio Santos, so unless they bump up the payroll to @ $130 million, they're dumpster diving for about 3 lineup spots and several relievers.
   20. JJ1986 Posted: December 03, 2010 at 04:31 AM (#3701427)
Holy ####, Chase Utley and Ryan Howard are on Always Sunny.
   21. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: December 03, 2010 at 09:13 PM (#3702000)
I wish people still talked like that.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0138537/

"Man of the Century" was the first thing I thought of, as well. Not a great movie, sure, but very charming:
"Say, you keep on riding me like a streetcar, you're gonna have to pay the fare!"

Plus: Cara Buono!
   22. phredbird Posted: December 03, 2010 at 09:20 PM (#3702005)
one of the things i thought was funny about man of the century was that his mother was even more of an anachronism than he was, and he chided her for being out of date.
   23. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: December 03, 2010 at 10:15 PM (#3702027)
That was a nice touch.
I also liked how nobody else seemed to notice just how out of date Johnny Twennies was. Makes the conceit work!

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