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Tuesday, December 17, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 12-17-2019

Hugh Fullerton, published in the New York Evening World, December 17, 1919:

Charles A. Comiskey, owner of the Chicago White Sox and one of the greatest characters baseball ever has produced, a man of undoubted honesty and of the highest type of sportsmanship, has stated in Chicago that, after two months of work by detectives and others, he has been unable to find evidence that there was dishonesty among the players of his team during the recent World’s Series.
...
The fans are entitled to know whether baseball is on the square or not.
...
If organized baseball desires a full, complete and unbiased verdict in the case, let them set aside a sum to pay the expenses of such a hearing, request Judge Landis to hear all witnesses and to return a verdict in the case to the fans of the United States—who will abide by his decision.

The players cannot refuse to appear without practically confessing. The gamblers concerned will appear at his request.
...
Then let Judge Landis ask the following persons to appear before him and tell him their stories:
KARL ZORK, a shirt waist manufacturer and sporting man of St. Louis.
BEN and LOU LEVY of Des Moines, Ia.
A gambler named, or called, Eddie of Boston.
A gambler named Tim, said to be well known in Des Moines.
ABE ATTELL, former lightweight champion boxer.
BILL BURNS, a former left-handed pitcher, who was with the Chicago White Sox and with the Cincinnati Reds.
JOE PESCH, a gambler of St. Louis.
A theatrical man named REDMOND of East St. Louis.

The second half of the column is here. Fullerton goes on to mention Arnold Rothstein as someone who will have knowledge of what happened, and Eddie Collins and Ray Schalk as two players that had absolutely nothing to do with the fix. It sure looks like Fullerton pretty much had the story nailed down at this point, he just didn’t want to start making specific allegations.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:58 AM | 21 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:59 AM (#5909218)
A strong pitching staff on today's Birthday Team, but not much offense once you get past Utley.

C: Charlie Sands (0.5 WAR)
1B: Chase Utley (65.4 WAR)
2B: Josh Barfield (2.6 WAR)
3B: Leo Cardenas (27.3 WAR)
SS: Jerry Adair (8.5 WAR)
LF: Ray Jablonski (2.9 WAR)
CF/Manager: Rebel Oakes (4.9 WAR)
RF: Curtis Pride (1.2 WAR)

SP: Bill Hutchinson (38.9 WAR)
SP: Bob Ojeda (24.0 WAR)
SP: Cy Falkenberg (20.7 WAR)
SP: Roy Patterson (14.5 WAR)
SP: Steve Parris (5.0 WAR)
RP: Taylor Rogers (6.5 WAR)

Owner: Yoriyasu Arima
Fun name: Bryan Clutterbuck
German for "Eric Corners Steeler": Eric Eckenstahler
The soccer guy's dad: Marvell Wynne
   2. KJOK Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:04 AM (#5909247)
Also Negro League All-Star P Ted Trent
   3. Steve Parris, Je t'aime Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:33 AM (#5909266)
A strong pitching staff, indeed.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:34 AM (#5909267)
From the film Eight Men Out...

Fullerton: "You guys are great, Eddie. I put a bunch o' money down on ya."

Cicotte: "Aw, you shouldn't oughta done that, Hughie."
   5. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2019 at 02:53 PM (#5909341)
Charles A. Comiskey, owner of the Chicago White Sox and one of the greatest characters baseball ever has produced, a man of undoubted honesty and of the highest type of sportsmanship

The Trump of his day!
   6. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2019 at 02:57 PM (#5909343)
Looking at his record, I don't know why, but boy I thought the young Marvel Wynne was gonna be something. Maybe it was just the awesome name.
   7. Itchy Row Posted: December 17, 2019 at 03:43 PM (#5909356)
I remember seeing a "Pirates will win with Wynne" banner on This Week in Baseball or something like it, so somebody thought he was gonna be something. He did lead off a Padres home opener with a home run, and the next two guys (Tony Gwynn and John Kruk) also homered. The Padres still lost the game by seven runs.
   8. The Mighty Quintana Posted: December 17, 2019 at 03:44 PM (#5909357)
Marvel Wynne, David Green, and Brad Komminsk would be the outfield on the all-airport team. (...to quote Dick Vitale)

They looked like they were great ballplayers, but actually weren't very good.
   9. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 17, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5909360)
More like the All-Vegas team: Steve Wynn, Mo Greene, and, well, I'll come up with something.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: December 17, 2019 at 04:02 PM (#5909363)
If you Google komminsk vegas, you get whatever this is.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: December 17, 2019 at 04:03 PM (#5909364)
Birthday boy Charlie Sands can be on the Vegas team!
   12. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: December 17, 2019 at 04:12 PM (#5909371)
10 - uh. okay.
   13. salvomania Posted: December 17, 2019 at 04:51 PM (#5909383)
LF: Ray Jablonski (2.9 WAR)

Only one player in MLB history had more RBI in a season than Jablonski's 112 while also having a lower OPS+ (89), and that was Joe Carter with the 1990 Blue Jays, who had 115 RBI with an OPS+ of just 85.
   14. Ken Griffey Junior Bacon Cheeseburger Posted: December 17, 2019 at 05:29 PM (#5909396)
Joe Carter with the 1990 Blue Jays, who had 115 RBI with an OPS+ of just 85.


Carter was with the Padres in 1990. Although with the 1997 Blue Jays, he managed to get 102 RBI with an OPS+ of 77.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 17, 2019 at 06:25 PM (#5909407)
A theatrical man
Is that what they were calling it then?
   16. salvomania Posted: December 17, 2019 at 07:24 PM (#5909412)
Carter was with the Padres in 1990

I forgot he was ever a Padre.
   17. The Honorable Ardo Posted: December 17, 2019 at 07:44 PM (#5909417)
I forgot he was ever a Padre.
According to the handy Internet, Joe has been a padre three times over: Kia, Ebony, and Jordan.
   18. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: December 17, 2019 at 07:58 PM (#5909418)
I forgot he was ever a Padre.


Part of a famous trade. Carter and Robbie Alomar for Fred McGriff and Tony Fernandez
   19. Walt Davis Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:41 PM (#5909431)
Yep, Joe was a prized commodity in trades -- the centerpiece of the Sutcliffe trade and later for Sandy Alomar (seemed a big deal at the time) and Carlos Baerga (don't know if he was considered a top prospect or not but turned out awfully well). Presumably the guys traded for one brother then with the other brother is fairly short.
   20. QLE Posted: December 17, 2019 at 11:07 PM (#5909438)
Is that what they were calling it then?


Harry (H. G.) Redmond was a theater owner/operator in East St. Louis- in 1920, he testified as having told Comiskey about the Black Sox fix during the 1919 off-season.
   21. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 18, 2019 at 04:52 AM (#5909454)
“A theatrical man”
Is that what they were calling it then?


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