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New York Tribune, December 30, 1919:

Boston Gets Outfielder and Pitcher Ready in Case Babe Ruth Deserts Club

The Red Sox gave Bobby Roth, an outfielder, and Maurice Shannon, second baseman [to Washington], and received in exchange Harry Harper, a pitcher; Eddie Foster, second baseman, and Mike Menosky, an outfielder.
...
Harry Frazee is evidently taking precautionary measures not to be left flat in case Babe Ruth carries out his threat to quit the Red Sox unless the club meets his demands of $20,000 for the season of 1920.
...
The Yankees made an effort to gain title to [Ruth], but were turned down when Miller Huggins proposed a deal to [Ed] Barrow.

I don’t really understand why the Ruth trade was still secret at this point, but it had already been a done deal for four days.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 10:03 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 10:05 AM (#5911699)
You know that season (1972) when Steve Carlton led the league in wins on a 59-win Phillies team? That's the best-case scenario for Sandy Koufax and the rest of today's Birthday Team.

C: A.J. Pierzynski (23.9 WAR)
1B: Frank Torre (3.9 WAR)
2B: Milt Graff (0.3 WAR)
3B: Jim Viox (9.6 WAR)
SS: Ed Caskin (4.2 WAR)
LF: Jose Morales (0.1 WAR)
CF: Santiago Perez (-0.5 WAR)
RF: Dick Porter (6.6 WAR)

SP: Sandy Koufax (48.9 WAR)
SP: Tom Murphy (8.5 WAR)
SP: Tyler Anderson (6.3 WAR)
SP: Ray Prim (3.8 WAR)
SP: Clarence Currie (0.8 WAR)
RP: Grant Balfour (9.2 WAR)

Umpires: Tim Timmons, Chad Fairchild
Quad-A OBP Machine: Ralph Milliard (0.0 WAR)
   2. salvomania Posted: December 30, 2019 at 10:18 AM (#5911702)
SP: Sandy Koufax (48.9 WAR)

Just learned yesterday that Koufax's name at birth was Sanford Braun.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: December 30, 2019 at 11:21 AM (#5911719)
There's an article about women's tennis on that page, and it identifies the married women by their husband's names- Mrs. George W. Wightman, Mrs. Thomas J. Bundy, and Mrs. Franklin I. Mallory. I doubt any of them were as good as Mrs. Alexis Ohanian or Mrs. Andre Agassi.
   4. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 11:30 AM (#5911722)
For the short time she was married, Chris Evert was called "Mrs. Lloyd" by the PA announcer at Wimbledon
   5. salvomania Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:04 PM (#5911730)
SP: Tom Murphy (8.5 WAR)

One of 18 relievers to ever record a 5.0 bWAR season (1974).

One of only three pitchers to record a 5.0 bWAR season as a reliever and to also have a 15+-win season as a starting pitcher (16, in 1970). The other two were Ellis Kinder (21 wins as starter in 1949, 5.1 bWAR as a reliever in 1951), and Wilbur Wood (5.4 bWAR as a reliever in 1968, then 105 wins as a starter in five years from 1971-75).

Regarding the 5.0 bWAR seasons, almost all occurred pre-1987, due to the elimination of the multi-inning relief ace. Nine of the 21 5.0 bWAR seasons were in the 1970s, four more were in the 1980s, and only one since then---Jonathan Papelbon's 2006, in only 68.1 ip (the next fewest IP on the list is Ted Abernathy's 106 in 1967).
   6. Itchy Row Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:32 PM (#5911740)
Mariano Rivera had a season that rounds up to 5.0 WAR in 1996, when he was the setup man for Wetteland. He was basically the same pitcher for the next 17 years, but he never came close to the 107.2 IP he had that year.

Rivera had five saves that year. The 18 relievers with 5.0+ WAR all had at least ten saves.
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:48 PM (#5911746)
For the short time she was married, Chris Evert was called "Mrs. Lloyd" by the PA announcer at Wimbledon


Evert has been married three times: To tennis player John Lloyd, Olympic skier Andy Mill, and golfer Greg Norman. Not sure what sport comes next, but the pro bowling circuit is probably pretty excited.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 30, 2019 at 12:56 PM (#5911749)
Didn't/don't we have a pro bowler who posted/posts here, or at least a highly skilled amateur?
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: December 30, 2019 at 01:10 PM (#5911755)
Didn't/don't we have a pro bowler who posted/posts here, or at least a highly skilled amateur?
Mookie Betts
   10. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: December 30, 2019 at 02:15 PM (#5911771)
Didn't/don't we have a pro bowler who posted/posts here, or at least a highly skilled amateur?
Yeah, Bowling Baseball Fan has spent some time on the PBA Tour and now owns a bowling pro shop in Columbus. I don't know whether he posts here anymore, but he's pretty active on Facebook (under his real name, which you'll find on the linked PBA page, so as not to make it too easy for search engines).
   11. Walt Davis Posted: December 30, 2019 at 02:45 PM (#5911775)
Pretty sure she was "officially" Chris Evert-Lloyd (not sure about the hyphen) in that period so the stuffy Wimbledon announcer was more stuffy than wrong. I suppose well-known actresses and singers who later got married kept performing under their own name but even holding onto the Evert part was pretty rare in those days (but no doubt a wise marketing decision too). I had a pretty big celeb crush on Ms. Evert back in the day.
   12. Walt Davis Posted: December 30, 2019 at 02:47 PM (#5911776)
On Frazee, he probably should have held onto Bobby Roth, made him the center of the promotions hoping to catch a few fans confusing "Bobby Roth" with Babe Ruth.
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: December 30, 2019 at 04:30 PM (#5911794)
Would Ray Prim (351 career IP) be the most unlikely player to ever win a MLB season ERA title?
   14. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 30, 2019 at 04:34 PM (#5911795)
Allan Anderson's gotta be up there. Scott Garrelts, too - he had started only 26 of his 283 ML games before 1989, and 18 of those came in 1986. Zero starts in 87-88.
   15. Perry Posted: December 30, 2019 at 05:17 PM (#5911804)
Just learned yesterday that Koufax's name at birth was Sanford Braun.


Yup, he was adopted, as was another HOF pitcher, Jim Palmer, who was adopted at 2 days old and named Jim Wiesen, becoming Palmer when his mother remarried when he was 10 or 11.
   16. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 30, 2019 at 05:23 PM (#5911805)
I had a pretty big celeb crush on Ms. Evert back in the day.


You weren't the only one.
   17. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: December 30, 2019 at 05:36 PM (#5911807)
Mrs. George W. Wightman, Mrs. Thomas J. Bundy, and Mrs. Franklin I. Mallory. I doubt any of them were as good as Mrs. Alexis Ohanian or Mrs. Andre Agassi.


Rather accomplished women all per Wikipedia:

Hazel Hotchkiss Wightman, CBE (née Hotchkiss; December 20, 1886 – December 5, 1974) was an American tennis player and founder of the Wightman Cup, an annual team competition for British and American women. She dominated American women's tennis before World War I, and won 45 U.S. titles during her life... In February 1912, at the age of 25, she married George William Wightman of Boston. Her father-in-law, George Henry Wightman, was a leader in the steel industry, as an associate of Andrew Carnegie, and one of the country's foremost pioneers of amateur tennis.

May Godfrey Sutton (September 25, 1886 – October 4, 1975) was an American tennis player who was active during the first decades of the 20th century. At age 17 she won the singles title at the U.S. National Championships and in 1905 she became the first American player to win the singles title at Wimbledon... On December 11, 1912, she married Tom Bundy, who was a three-time winner of the men's doubles title at the U.S. Championships, and semi-retired to raise a family... Unusual career path She was a Wimbledon quarterfinalist in 1929 at the age of 42, which was the first time she had played Wimbledon since 1907. In 1928 and 1929, she and her daughter Dorothy Cheney became the only mother/daughter combination to be seeded at the U.S. Championships.

Anna Margrethe "Molla" Bjurstedt Mallory (née Bjurstedt; March 6, 1884[1] – November 22, 1959) was a Norwegian tennis player, naturalized American. She won a record eight singles titles at the U.S. Championships. No mention of her hubby in a quick search



   18. Gonfalon Bubble Posted: December 30, 2019 at 11:51 PM (#5911890)
The Red Sox gave Bobby Roth, an outfielder, and Maurice Shannon, second baseman [to Washington], and received in exchange Harry Harper, a pitcher; Eddie Foster, second baseman, and Mike Menosky, an outfielder.
.....
On Frazee, he probably should have held onto Bobby Roth, made him the center of the promotions hoping to catch a few fans confusing "Bobby Roth" with Babe Ruth.


Wouldn't have worked. Bobby Roth never launched home runs with Menoskian power.

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