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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-13-2020

New York Sun, January 13, 1920:

Samuel Breadom [sic], an automobile dealer of [St. Louis], in all probability will be the next president of the St. Louis National League Baseball Club. Branch Rickey announced [yesterday] that he would resign as president [today] when he signs as manager for the coming season. He will recommend that Breadom be chosen president.

Six pennants and four World Series titles say the Rickey-Breadon partnership worked out pretty well, although Rickey got bounced to the front office before things really began to click.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 09:59 AM | 17 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 10:01 AM (#5915072)
Not a great Birthday Team today. Mitchell and Forsch were good players, but nobody with big-time star power.

I've mentioned it before, but Brand had a super-weird career. After hitting .160/.261/.185 while backing up the adequate (93 OPS+) John Bateman with the '68 Astros, Brand wound up playing well as the starting catcher on the expansion Expos in '69, ahead of Bateman, who was alternately injured and ineffective.

And then, out of the blue, never before having played the position in the major leagues, Ron Brand was moved from catcher to shortstop in 1970.

C: Ron Brand (0.2 WAR)
1B: Billy Jo Robidoux (-2.4 WAR)
2B: Bama Rowell (5.0 WAR)
3B: Steve Mesner (2.0 WAR)
SS: Orlando Miller (1.6 WAR)
LF: Kevin Mitchell (29.1 WAR)
CF: Fred Schulte (15.5 WAR)
RF: Jud Smith (1.1 WAR)

SP: Bob Forsch (24.6 WAR)
SP: Elmer Dessens (11.8 WAR)
SP: Larry Jaster (3.6 WAR)
SP: Steve Comer (3.0 WAR)
SP: Kevin Foster (2.7 WAR)
RP: Akinori Otsuka (6.6 WAR)

Fun names: Cactus Keck, Bunny Hearn, Spades Wood
Not that one: Mike Tyson
Tall guy: Andy Sisco
   2. crict Posted: January 13, 2020 at 10:28 AM (#5915075)
I was trying to find the reasoning for Brand's move in Quebec newspapers. Not much luck, but I found that he first played shortstop in a June 8, 1970 exhibition game, in which the Red Sox visited Jarry Park. In the top of the first, Tony Conigliaro hit a sharp grounder that Brand received right below the eye. He was knocked out of the game.

Somehow, the whole experience continued after that. He first played short in an official game on June 27.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: January 13, 2020 at 10:47 AM (#5915085)
The expansion Expos looked at the Astros catchers and said "We need BOTH of those guys!" Houston had traded for Johnny Edwards just before the expansion draft, and Edwards ended up catching 1241.2 of their 1435.2 innings the next year. It was enough to get him an MVP vote, even hitting .239/.287/.329.

The Astros also lost Nate Colbert in that expansion draft.
   4. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 13, 2020 at 10:48 AM (#5915086)
It wouldn't be an off-season without at least one death from a vehicular accident in the DR - Nats farmhand pitcher Fausto Segura, age 23.
   5. bbmck Posted: January 13, 2020 at 10:50 AM (#5915087)
Out of the 413 players with at least one season with 100+ games at C, at least one season with 10+ games at SS:

Duke Farrell: 1004 G at C, 13 G at SS
Heinie Peitz: 961 G at C, 11 G at SS
Moe Berg: 529 G at C, 84 G at SS
Jamie Quirk: 525 G at C, 22 G at SS
Ron Brand: 350 G at C, 41 G at SS

At least one season with 10+ games at 2B:

Heinie Peitz: 961 G at C, 74 G at 2B
Moe Berg: 529 G at C, 14 G at 2B
Grover Hartley: 435 G at C, 13 G at 2B
Craig Biggio: 428 G at C, 1989 G at 2B
Brandon Inge: 376 G at C, 19 G at 2B

At least one season with 10+ games in CF:

Wally Schang: 1435 G at C, 63 G in CF
Duke Farrell: 1004 G at C, 109 G in OF
Roger Bresnahan: 974 G at C, 7 G in CF, 286 G in OF
Jack O'Connor: 861 G at C, 372 G in OF
Craig Biggio: 428 G at C, 255 G in CF
Brandon Inge: 376 G at C, 33 G in CF
Ed Kirkpatrick: 306 G at C, 65 G in CF

Duke Ferrell has 22 career G in CF per PI so there is some positional information (or guesses) in PI that doesn't appear on player pages.

RF: 29 players
LF: 30 players
3B: 32 players
DH: 64 players (187 played in AL since 1973)
1B: 89 players

Roger Bresnahan 50.1 IP in 9 G and Heinie Peitz 16 IP in 4 G are the only two with more than 4 career IP.
   6. KJOK Posted: January 13, 2020 at 12:06 PM (#5915099)
Out of the 413 players with at least one season with 100+ games at C, at least one season with 10+ games at SS:

He never had 100 + games at C in any one season, but Bobby Bragan is a pretty famous SS/C.

   7. Itchy Row Posted: January 13, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5915108)
Bragan and Jack Rowe, who played in the 19th Century mostly for the Buffalo Bisons, are the only two players with 100 career games at SS and at C. Rowe never caught 100 games in any season either.
   8. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 13, 2020 at 01:15 PM (#5915122)
LF: Kevin Mitchell (29.1 WAR)


July 5, 1987: Traded by the San Diego Padres with Dave Dravecky and Craig Lefferts to the San Francisco Giants for Chris Brown, Keith Comstock, Mark Davis and Mark Grant.

Two years later, in 1989, Mitchell won the NL MVP with the Giants and Davis won the NL Cy Young with the Padres. Are there any other trades where both teams received players who had never won a major award but then won an MVP or Cy Young for their new teams?
   9. Itchy Row Posted: January 13, 2020 at 01:23 PM (#5915126)
Tommy John for Dick Allen comes close. Allen won an MVP for the White Sox and John finished second for Cy Young for the Dodgers. They were both already all-stars, and Allen had won ROTY, though.
   10. Nasty Nate Posted: January 13, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5915136)
Are there any other trades where both teams received players who had never won a major award but then won an MVP or Cy Young for their new teams?
I don't think so. But there has been a trade where one team acquired two players who would subsequently win their first major award with the new team.
   11. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:05 PM (#5915140)
I don't think so. But there has been a trade where one team acquired two players who would subsequently win their first major award with the new team.


The Brewers 1980 trade with the Cardinals where they got Rollie Fingers and Pete Vukovich.
   12. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5915142)
from Jeff Passan's twitter
BREAKING: Houston Astros GM Jeff Luhnow and manager AJ Hinch have been suspended for one year after an MLB investigation found the team used technology to cheat during its World Series-winning 2017 season, sources familiar with the punishment tell ESPN.
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5915143)
Additionally, MLB will fine the Astros $5 million and take away their first- and second-round picks in the 2020 and 2021 drafts, sources tell ESPN.
   14. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:07 PM (#5915144)
No players were disciplined by Major League Baseball in the Astros' investigation. While Mets manager Carlos Beltran was part of it, he was a player at the time and thus was not suspended.

Discipline for Red Sox manager Alex Cora is coming. It is going to be harsh, per sources.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:09 PM (#5915146)
The Astros are also reported to be losing their 1st & 2nd round draft picks for 2 years, and fined the maximum $5M

EDIT: Cokes to the fast typer.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 13, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5915158)
separate thread already started by Furtado
   17. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: January 13, 2020 at 03:47 PM (#5915268)
Finished 1946 in the starting pitcher rankings over the weekend (which was a nice change of pace after the doldrums of the war years). Thanks to nine good late-season starts in '45, Bob Feller opened 1946 ranked #75. I knew he had a great year in '46, so going in, I figured he'd probably crack the top 10 again by the end of the season.

He was #3 at the All-Star break. So... technically, I wasn't wrong.

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