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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-20-2021

Pittsburgh Press, January 20, 1921:

Buck Weaver, brilliant third baseman who was indicted with seven other Whitesox players for alleged conspiracy to “throw” the 1919 world’s series to Cincinnati, is certain he will play major league baseball next season and with the Whitesox.

Weaver, according to friends, has offered to bet $500 that he will be back with Kid Gleason’s crew when the 1921 season opens.

Dude. Buck. Stop with the betting. It isn’t helping.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:08 AM | 6 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 20, 2021 at 08:10 AM (#6000752)
If you like scrappy middle infielders who put up 20.9 career WAR, you'll love today's Birthday Team.

C: Geovany Soto (12.0 WAR)
1B: Everett Mills (4.4 WAR)
2B: David Eckstein (20.9 WAR)
3B: Ernie Courtney (5.4 WAR)
SS/Manager: Ozzie Guillen (20.9 WAR)
LF: Gene Stephens (4.6 WAR)
CF: Marvin Benard (8.6 WAR)
RF: Brian Giles (51.1 WAR)

SP: Camilo Pascual (40.9 WAR)
SP: Joe Dobson (26.3 WAR)
SP: Dave Boswell (12.6 WAR)
SP: Big Bill James (4.8 WAR)
SP: Al Gould (1.9 WAR)
RP: Matt Albers (2.4 WAR)

Commissioner: William Eckert
Team President: Bill Veeck Sr.
Team executive in the Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Akihiro Ikuhara
Fun name: Jimmy Outlaw
One-year wonder: Kevin Maas
   2. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: January 21, 2021 at 07:20 AM (#6000924)
I am always surprised to see Brian Giles WAR totals. I suppose playing for bad Pirates teams during his peak had something to do with it.
   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 21, 2021 at 09:17 AM (#6000932)
SP: Camilo Pascual (40.9 WAR)

Pascual is one of the guys I always miss in Sporscle quizzes. Really nice, but short peak. Led the league in K's three straight years, and CG and SHO three times each, though not all the same years.

He's in that dead zone of early 30's to early 60's where very few pitchers managed HoF or even HoVg careers. The War was obviously a big factor; I don't know if there's anything else systematic.
   4. Walt Davis Posted: January 22, 2021 at 06:20 PM (#6001305)
#2: also his late start and getting stuck in Cleveland's system. The Indians were stacked at the time, put him in a lesser team's system and he's probably full-time no later than the middle of his age 24 season. You never know but it's not hard to see Giles getting an extra 1000 very good PAs if he'd been drafted by somebody else, at least pushing him closer to Abreu. (Or as a 17th round pick, it's possible that no system other than Cleveland's ever would have developed him nearly so well.)

The other thing is the complete lack of anything flashy. A lot of the value is walks ... valuable but not sexy. The only black ink he ever had was one season leading the league in walks. Even his gray ink is underwhelming at 57. As nice a career as it was, just twice in the top 10 in WAR. And he followed Pitt with SD, another hotspot of national attention. It's the perfect formula for anonymous excellence.

A "surprising" thing is that you would have thought he'd rack up AS game after AS game as sole rep for the Pirates and Padres -- surely he must have been their best player almost every year of his prime. But that's not how sole reps tend to work these days, it's all about filling out the pen.
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 22, 2021 at 06:49 PM (#6001309)
A "surprising" thing is that you would have thought he'd rack up AS game after AS game as sole rep for the Pirates and Padres -- surely he must have been their best player almost every year of his prime. But that's not how sole reps tend to work these days, it's all about filling out the pen.

I don't even know why there';s a pen in the All-Star Game. Take the 9 best SP and give them an inning each.
   6. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 22, 2021 at 09:39 PM (#6001326)
When the Indians finally traded Giles, it was... heads up for Ricardo Rincon. Rincon was a good lefty reliever, but you'd think they were offered better than that sometime between 1994 and 1998.

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