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Thursday, January 23, 2020

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-23-2020

Miller Huggins on his plans for Babe Ruth, quoted in the Chattanooga News, January 23, 1920:

He will be played in the outfield and I think right field is the place for him. We could play Ruth in left field, but I do not favor the sun field for Ruth, as playing there might affect his batting eye.
...
There has been much talk about the probability of Ruth’s being asked to choke his bat next season in order to get more hits rather than distance. To this I can say frankly that Ruth is one player who will be permitted to take his swing. When a player can average long hits as often as Ruth he is entitled to take his cut at the ball at all times.

Miller Huggins was no dummy.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 10:04 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 10:05 AM (#5918621)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but plenty of depth at relief pitcher and fun. And - alert the tracker - we have a Chico!

Distefano, of course, is the most recent left-handed catcher to play in the big leagues. Bevacqua is well-known for fun.

C: Raymond Haley (1.1 WAR)
1B: Erubiel Durazo (9.1 WAR)
2B: Addison Russell (12.1 WAR)
3B: Bill Regan (3.8 WAR)
SS: Chico Carrasquel (21.2 WAR)
LF: Ed Barney (0.8 WAR)
CF: Sam Jethroe (8.7 WAR)
RF: Charlie Spikes (0.4 WAR)

SP: Red Donahue (22.3 WAR)
SP: Frank Sullivan (20.6 WAR)
SP: Jeff Samardzija (15.0 WAR)
SP: Don Nottebart (9.3 WAR)
SP: Randy Gumpert (6.5 WAR)
RP: Bobby Burke (6.8 WAR)
RP: Juan Rincon (4.7 WAR)
RP: Mark Wohlers (3.9 WAR)
RP: Alan Embree (2.4 WAR)

Manager: Joey Amalfitano
Broadcaster: Jack Quinlan
Fun names: King Lear, Speed Walker, Cord Phelps, Cot Deal
Fun players: Benny Distefano, Kurt Bevacqua
Great story: Jason Stanford
Incredible tools but not much of a ballplayer: Wily Mo Pena (-1.2 WAR)
   2. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5918670)
RF: Charlie Spikes (0.4 WAR)

he was the Yankees hot prospect in 1972 and there was great weeping and gnashing of the teeth in NYC when they traded him to the Indians for (as one radio commentator called him) "an aging Graig Nettles"
   3. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 11:45 AM (#5918679)
Cot Deal?
   4. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 23, 2020 at 12:13 PM (#5918692)
Nice to see Chico consolidate his hold on shortstop, as Russell consolidates...anything?

The Pirates acquired Bevacqua in a weird trade in 1974. They had acquired Jerry Reuss and Ken Brett to try to fix the rotation in the wake of Blass's implosion. Then they sent starter Nellie Briles, 14-13, 2.84 in 1973, to the Royals for Bevacqua and Ed Kirkpatrick. Between them Bevacqua and Kirpatrick played everywhere but short, so the Pirates traded a pretty good starting pitcher for a bench.
   5. SandyRiver Posted: January 23, 2020 at 12:47 PM (#5918713)
Speaking of weird trades, Cot Deal was part of an exchange of pitching coaches. He was managing the Cards' Rochester farm team when traded to coach the pitchers at Cincinnati for then Reds' pitching coach Clyde King. He also had a narrow escape just before that 1959 trade when his club played an exhibition game in Havana. With many fireworks and occasional gunshots in the stands, Deal was coaching 3rd when tossed for arguing, being replaced by spare infielder Frank Verdi. Next inning a stray bullet passed thru Verdi's hat and liner, just missing his head, upon which the Red Wings left the field and headed home. When Deal read that account he got the cold shivers; being several inches taller than Verdi he could only wonder what would've happened had he still been in the coaching box. [as recounted in The Long Season)
   6. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:01 PM (#5918744)
A few weeks ago we played a game making teams of players who didn't play for a team that they, at one point, belonged to. Here's a variation (I don't think we did this one):

Make a team of players who coached or managed for a team that they never played for, and who look wrong in their new team's gear.

I'll get us started:

P:
C:
1B:
2B:
3B:
SS:
OF: Babe Ruth - Brooklyn Dodgers
OF: Joe DiMaggio - Athletics
OF:
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:11 PM (#5918750)
OF: Ted Williams - Texas Rangers
2B: Billy Martin - Rangers, A's, Tigers, take your pick.
P: Bob Lemon - NYYankees
   8. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:12 PM (#5918751)
Loved, loved, loved Durazo.

I once wrote an alternate history thing, involving an expansion team that tried to hasten major league integration - Jethroe was a big part of it. (The story wasn't great, so I never tried to do anything with it, but the sim behind it was fun.)
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:13 PM (#5918752)
P: Walter Johnson, Indians
C: Yogi Berra, Astros
   10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:16 PM (#5918757)
P Warren Spahn--Indians
   11. salvomania Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5918759)
Then they sent starter Nellie Briles, 14-13, 2.84 in 1973, t

Not only do I share a birthday with Nellie Briles, but when I was a kid in St. Louis one of my classmates lived in Briles' old house after he sold it when he was traded to the Pirates. Solidly middle class.
   12. salvomania Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:20 PM (#5918760)
C: Joe Torre - Yankees
   13. The Mighty Quintana Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:23 PM (#5918763)
   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:26 PM (#5918765)
P - Bob Gibson, New York Mets
2B - Rogers Hornsby - New York Mets
SS - Robin Yount, Arizona Diamondbacks

Edit - coke to The Mighty Quintana
   15. Itchy Row Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:34 PM (#5918769)
1B- Don Mattingly- Dodgers and Marlins. Both still look wrong to me.
   16. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:35 PM (#5918770)
Torre doesn't count because he doesn't look weird wearing Yankees garb. Yogi Berra on the Astros though. That's weird.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5918771)
Cot Deal?


Coot Veal?
   18. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:36 PM (#5918773)
I was on the fence about Williams and the Senators. Maybe I'm just too familiar with his 1972 Topps card.
   19. Rennie's Tenet Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:42 PM (#5918776)
Johnny Pesky was first base coach for the Pirates in the middle 60s.
   20. Nasty Nate Posted: January 23, 2020 at 02:46 PM (#5918777)
Barry Bonds - Marlins
   21. Perry Posted: January 23, 2020 at 03:05 PM (#5918783)

P - Bob Gibson, New York Mets


I was going to say Gibson with the Braves, but the Mets work too, of course.

Kirk Gibson and Alan Trammell, Diamondbacks.

Christy Mathewson, Reds. (Although he did pitch one game for them, he was already the manager.)
   22. The Run Fairy Posted: January 23, 2020 at 03:16 PM (#5918787)
Already have enough outfielders, but Duke Snider and Larry Doby in Expos jerseys seems very wrong. The Jays give you Bobby Doerr at 2B.
   23. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 23, 2020 at 03:19 PM (#5918789)
Backup SS - Maury Wills, Mariners
   24. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2020 at 06:40 PM (#5918843)
Use of expansion teams seems a bit like cheating, at least for players who never/barely played while that team was in existence.

Not eligible but I'm still glad to see that b-r now defaults to a pic of a younger Sandberg in a Cubs jersey rather than the pic of him as Phils manager.

Yogi Berra on the Astros though. That's weird.

Was it the rainbow unis?

2B: Billy Martin - Rangers, A's, Tigers, take your pick.

Similar to Torre and the Yanks, I think the only one here that Martin looks "weird" in is the Rangers. He was pretty famous as A's manager and, even if not famous as Tigers manager, the Tigers uniform is nice and gothic and black and white like the Yanks. Granted, everybody looked weird in the A's green and gold years.

Done with my nitpicking and since I never paid enough attention to coaches for many to stick in memory, I have nothing to actually contribute. Except maybe ...

Yesterday's dugout had a brief discussion of very low-K pitcher like Mike Caldwell and how they'd do today, etc. As somebody in the thread pointed out, it's very hard to find such a beastie these days. But we do have Kyle Hendricks posting very nice numbers with an average FB velocity below 90. He still manages to get a good number of Ks by historical standards (7.6/9) but I doubt his stuff is substantially better than Caldwell's. Last year, among guys qualified for the ERA title, Brett Anderson had the lowest rate at 4.6/9 and have very nice results (111 ERA+). Ivan Nova and Mike Leake were also under 6. Only 20 guys who K'd fewer than 8 had qualified seasons. If you drop it to 100 IP, you pick up a few more guys in the 5s.

   25. The Yankee Clapper Posted: January 23, 2020 at 09:35 PM (#5918878)
   26. Walt Davis Posted: January 23, 2020 at 09:41 PM (#5918883)
Giancarlo Stanton bench pressing Adriana Lima to get in the best shape of his life for spring training.

Hmmm ... rich people seem to lead a much different life than I do.
   27. stevegamer Posted: January 24, 2020 at 01:27 AM (#5918929)
Yogi Berra on the Astros though. That's weird.

Was it the rainbow unis?


Yes, and here's an image.

Berra In Stripes
   28. Itchy Row Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5919003)
A Yankee uniform is the only thing Yogi didn't look weird in.
   29. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5919014)
RE: #17

You so get me...
   30. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5919018)
I doubt his stuff is substantially better than Caldwell's.
Really? I would bet that Hendricks’ stuff is significantly better than Caldwell’s was, and that “stuff” has improved pretty much across the board since the ‘70s.
   31. phredbird Posted: January 24, 2020 at 01:20 PM (#5919060)

Rollie Fingers, RP, St. Louis Cardinals


re 17 & 29, one of the ten best baseball books ever.
   32. vortex of dissipation Posted: January 24, 2020 at 03:18 PM (#5919107)
re 17 & 29, one of the ten best baseball books ever.


Yes, it is. I love the description of Hector Lopez's fielding...

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