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Friday, January 24, 2020

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-24-2020

Chicago Eagle, January 24, 1920:

Serbian and Roumanian convalescents were introduced to baseball by the American Y.M.C.A. representatives during the recent war. After considering the game from all angles, these persons gave it their heart-felt approval, but voted for larger bats, and balls that did not travel so swiftly.

So…softball, then.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:02 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:03 AM (#5918972)
Not a ton to work with on today's Birthday Team - Jose Quintana is the career leader in WAR. To be fair, Quintana's a good pitcher, but you wouldn't necessarily be pumped to have him as the best player on your entire roster.

C: Tyler Flowers (7.7 WAR)
1B: Wally Judnich (15.2 WAR)
2B: Whit Merrifield (15.1 WAR)
3B: Dave Brain (11.5 WAR)
SS: Stu Clarke (0.5 WAR)
LF: Andy Dirks (3.8 WAR)
CF: Cliff Heathcote (10.7 WAR)
RF: Bunk Congalton (5.6 WAR)

SP: Jose Quintana (24.6 WAR)
SP: Scott Kazmir (22.8 WAR)
SP: Atlee Hammaker (8.3 WAR)
SP: Neil Allen (7.0 WAR)
SP: Curly Ogden (4.4 WAR)
RP: Rob Dibble (9.3 WAR)
RP: Tim Stoddard (4.6 WAR)

Owners: Jean Yawkey, Walter Haas
Play-by-play: Jack Brickhouse
Beat writer: Ray Kelly
Fun names: Johnny Dickshot, Pop Rising
Beneficiary of nepotism: Mike Glavine
   2. RJ in TO Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:26 AM (#5918987)
Wally Judnich looked very much like a budding star as a very good hitter capable of playing a solid CF, and then he missed three years in the war, and was nothing special when he came back.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:38 AM (#5918990)
It's a crappy team, but gotta be Top Ten in Fun Names: Dave Brain, Whit Merrifield, Curly Ogden, Rob Dibble, Bunk Congalton. It's not often that the best fun names are also some of the best guys on the team.

Bunk Congalton! He sounds like the villain in a British boys' adventure book from the 1930s.
   4. stanmvp48 Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:43 AM (#5918993)
I believe Tim Stoddard was on the NC State team which won the basketball championship
   5. Itchy Row Posted: January 24, 2020 at 10:59 AM (#5919002)
Stoddard and Kenny Lofton are the only two people to play in a World Series and an NCAA basketball Final Four. They were both born in the same city I was, but it didn't work out as well for me.
   6. Flynn Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:06 AM (#5919007)
It's a crappy team, but gotta be Top Ten in Fun Names: Dave Brain, Whit Merrifield, Curly Ogden, Rob Dibble, Bunk Congalton. It's not often that the best fun names are also some of the best guys on the team.


You wrote these two sentences and didn't include Atlee Hammaker?
   7. caspian88 Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:14 AM (#5919010)
Wally Judnich led to the 1940 Yankees and then Tommy Henrich. What happened to Henrich to cause him to hit 13 and 14 triples in 1947 and 1948, when he was 34-35, after never hitting more than 7 in a season before? Did Yankee Stadium have alterations?
   8. Itchy Row Posted: January 24, 2020 at 11:49 AM (#5919021)
Henrich hit 13 triples at home those two years and 14 on the road, so it must not have just been a Yankee Stadium thing. I don't see any explanation for it.

DiMaggio was second on the team both years, with 10 and 11, but those triple numbers were normal for him. Berra had 10 in 1948 and didn't have more than 6 any other year. He was 23 that year, in his first full major league season. Nobody else on the Yankees had 10 either year.
   9. Traderdave Posted: January 24, 2020 at 12:04 PM (#5919025)
You wrote these two sentences and didn't include Atlee Hammaker?


Or Johnny Dickshot??
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: January 24, 2020 at 01:19 PM (#5919058)
They were both born in the same city I was, but it didn't work out as well for me.


Nor their high school.

   11. The Mighty Quintana Posted: January 24, 2020 at 01:38 PM (#5919070)
Any Royals fans here? Why didn't they promote Merrifield after hitting .340 at Omaha in 2014? Omar Infante was hitting .220 with the big club! Seems sort of like the Utley delay by Phils - pointless.
   12. Itchy Row Posted: January 24, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5919086)
When Merrifield did get called up, his fiancee's sister broke into two houses to tell people about it.
“I call my mom, my dad, my brother, my sister, my fiancee, none of them answer. My fiancee’s mom doesn’t answer, her stepdad doesn’t answer. Finally get a hold of her sister, who’s a nurse, so she’s up late. She checks out of work, goes and breaks into my fiancee’s house, wakes her up, tells her what’s happening. By this time, it’s like midnight. She goes and breaks into my house, tells my parents.”
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 24, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5919095)
Wally Judnich led to the 1940 Yankees and then Tommy Henrich. What happened to Henrich to cause him to hit 13 and 14 triples in 1947 and 1948, when he was 34-35, after never hitting more than 7 in a season before? Did Yankee Stadium have alterations?

I don't think there were any dimensional changes from 1938 to the big 70's renovation.
   14. Mike Webber Posted: January 24, 2020 at 02:46 PM (#5919097)
The Royals were weirdly loyal to "their guys", and wouldn't tamper with things. For example, early that season Danny Valencia started out hot and Moose was awful. It was a fairly obvious platoon situation, but rather than platoon Moose or even have people asking about it they swapped Valencia to Toronto for Liam Hendricks at Erik Kratz. (They swapped Hendricks back in the off season, and he immediately became a pretty decent reliever.)

Not only would they not play Merrifield, they wouldn't play Christian Colon who was a former first rounder that had hit .310 in the minors that season.

I'm very glad for the Royals that things worked out for them, but completely skeptical that they could ever do it again with this management team.
   15. Walt Davis Posted: January 24, 2020 at 04:51 PM (#5919150)
Merrifield: It's certainly understandable and reasonable to bring him up just to find out given the alternative was Infante and very weird he didn't get a Sept nod but maybe the Royals weren't fooled by a small sample hot streak. Earlier that same season he had hit just 278 at AA. The next year at Omaha, he hit just 265/317/364. The year after that about the same but adding some power. As noted, future non-entity Christian Colon hit very well that year too. So did past non-entity Paul Janish. And other non-entities Johnny Giavotella and Jimmy Paredes. When he did finally get to the majors two years later, he put up a 91 OPS+ -- which is fine for a good defensive 2B but presumably better than he'd have done two years earlier. The Royals did call up a lot of those other guys but, other than Colon, they all hit lousy in their tiny samples -- collectively Ciriaco, Colon, Giavotella, Paredes and Maxwell hit 229 with 1 HR in 194 PA.

Utley: He had never deserved a call-up before 2003. Are the Phils supposed to recognize after 1 month that he's for real? Are they supposed to immediately bench David Bell, the FA they had just signed and had put up 3 WAR in 2001 and 2002 and would put up 4 WAR in 2004? Or should the 2004 Phils have immediately benched Polanco who had put up 12 WAR over the previous 3 seasons and was ML average in 2004? In his 2004 MLB time, And then Utley put up a 87 OPS+ in 152 PA in 2003 and was just an average bat in 2004 when he did get the chance?

Chase Utley became Chase Utley in 2005 and he was the full-time starter. Maybe he would have become that earlier but we have no reason to believe that. We had no reason to believe he was gonna start putting up 130 OPS+ in the majors before he did. He rarely hit 300 in the minors, he never posted an ISO over 200 until his final month in AAA in 2004. Even his minor-league walk rates were nothing special. He had a good enough glove that if he could put up the 95-100 OPS+ that he was probably projected to, he could be Placido Polanco. Sure if he'd been in a worse organization, he'd probably have gotten a chance sooner and who know what would have happened. But you don't bench above-average MLB players becasue some 25-year-old has a good 3 months in AAA.
   16. "RMc", the superbatsman Posted: January 25, 2020 at 07:51 PM (#5919285)
This is why the Serbian and Roumanian Convalescents League didn't do so well at the box office.
   17. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 27, 2020 at 09:48 AM (#5919505)
Reds to sign Castellanos for, maybe, 4/64?
That Reds outfield looks crowded.
   18. Ziggy is done with Dominican discotheques Posted: January 27, 2020 at 09:52 AM (#5919506)
CIN needs help, but that signing seems to be unnecessary.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: January 27, 2020 at 09:55 AM (#5919507)
Is Senzel hurt? Can Senzel play SS?
   20. PreservedFish Posted: January 27, 2020 at 10:00 AM (#5919510)
Maybe they'll put Moustakas at SS and Castellanos at 2B.
   21. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 27, 2020 at 10:10 AM (#5919516)
I don't think Senzel has played short as a pro.
Galvis is below average but not a _problem_ at short. I guess Senzel becomes a super sub, who can back up at second, third, and all three outfield spots. (If you wanted to go wild, move Suarez to short? He last played it regularly four years ago.)
Also, a trade may be in order.
   22. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 27, 2020 at 02:34 PM (#5919659)
correction: he played one game at short in '18. still, rumor is already floating about that they might move him

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