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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 1-29-2020

Perth Amboy Evening News, January 29, 1920:

Babe Ruth, home-run laurel wearer, who will ship with the New York Yankees this season, is knocking “homers” on the golf links of Los Angeles this winter, but he found time to state that he believes his pitching days are over.

“Will I pitch this year? Not if I can help it. I think my pitching days are over. I would rather go after them in the outfield.

“The outfield is where I belong. It is too hard on the arm to play every day and then take your turn in the box. I found that I was never effective that way.

“I’m going to choke up a little more this year and try for more hits and less distance.”

Ruth’s effort to choke up and hit for less distance in 1920 resulted in disappointing stats like 54 home runs, a slugging percentage of .847, more than a run scored per game, and nearly an RBI per game.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 29, 2020 at 09:40 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: January 29, 2020 at 09:41 AM (#5920139)
Today's Birthday Team is perfectly cromulent, but isn't going to blow anybody away. A bunch of decent catchers are available to back up Avila.

C: Alex Avila (15.9 WAR)
1B: Jose Abreu (21.2 WAR)
2B: Steve Sax (25.7 WAR)
3B: Pat Patterson (0.5 WAR)
SS/Manager: Bill Rigney (7.6 WAR)
LF: Mike Aldrete (8.8 WAR)
CF: Hank Edwards (10.1 WAR)
RF: Dick Burrus (1.1 WAR)

SP: Jason Schmidt (29.5 WAR)
SP: Bobby Bolin (19.0 WAR)
SP: Bill Voiselle (10.7 WAR)
SP: Jair Jurrjens (10.4 WAR)
SP: John Habyan (6.2 WAR)
RP: Brian Meyer (0.3 WAR)

Backup catchers: Ray Hayworth (2.9 WAR), Hank Conger (2.1 WAR), Bill Krieg (1.7 WAR)
Frontier League legend: Morgan Burkhart (-0.1 WAR)
Fun name: Mose Eggert
Less successful family member: Lance Niekro (0.4 WAR)
   2. Itchy Row Posted: January 29, 2020 at 10:45 AM (#5920152)
Art Fowler died 13 years ago today, but otherwise no former major league player has died on a January 29 since 1980. That's probably a pretty good streak. And I'm probably jinxing somebody by noticing that.

Only one player has died on a February 29, and that was 100 years ago next month.
   3. AndrewJ Posted: January 29, 2020 at 11:23 AM (#5920164)
Don't hit it to today's Birthday Team second baseman.
   4. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: January 29, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5920181)
SP: John Habyan (6.2 WAR)


It's a real pity that that John Habyan was never relieved by Manny Corpas.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:09 PM (#5920201)
SP: Jason Schmidt (29.5 WAR)

his 2003 season was one of those "where the hell did THAT come from?". Led the NL in WL%age, shutouts, ERA, ERA+, and WHIP. His ERA+ was 180--had never been above 118 before
   6. Itchy Row Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:24 PM (#5920206)
Less successful family member: Lance Niekro (0.4 WAR)
Lance did end up with a higher WAA than his dad had.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:36 PM (#5920209)
Lance did end up with a higher WAA than his dad had.
Wow. It’s astonishing to me that someone who put up a 3.59 ERA over 3500+ career innings would end up being a below average pitcher. Just goes to show how different the era was I suppose.
   8. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5920211)
It’s astonishing to me that someone who put up a 3.59 ERA over 3500+ career innings would end up being a below average pitcher.

I wouldn't call him a below average pitcher. Being basically average for 20 years is way better than an "average pitcher".
   9. RJ in TO Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5920215)
It would be interesting to see what sort of career Joe Niekro would have had, had he not resisted using the knuckleball until after he joined the Braves in the early 70s. It seems likely he could have picked up a whole pile of extra wins over those 5-7 seasons, and ignited all sorts of arguments about his Hall of Fame worth as a gimmicky low-peak Don Sutton type.

Charlie Hough is another one I wonder about in that way, in that he ended up with 216 wins in his career, despite not getting a chance to start full-time until his 13th season in the majors. It's not that hard to chart a path to him winning 300+, and yet still having the voters consider him unworthy.

In summary, knuckleballers have weird looking careers.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:49 PM (#5920216)
They did it very differently in very different contexts, but CC Sabathia and Joe Niekro basically ended up with the same results in their careers. Sabathia gave up 1623 runs in 3577.1 innings and Niekro gave up 1620 in 3584.1 innings.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: January 29, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5920218)
I wouldn't call him a below average pitcher. Being basically average for 20 years is way better than an "average pitcher".
I remember talking about this years ago, when Jermaine Dye retired. One year at average is nothing special, but (as you note) 3500 innings at average (or 8000 PA at average, in the case of Dye) is really impressive. It's hard to find a good descriptor for that.
   12. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: January 29, 2020 at 02:04 PM (#5920222)
eing basically average for 20 years is way better than an "average pitcher".
Fair point. Hell, if you're a shortstop, apparently that will eventually get you into the Hall of Fame.
   13. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: January 29, 2020 at 02:17 PM (#5920234)
ryne harper dealt to the nats for short season reliever hunter mcmahon, who lacks much pedigree (9th rd slot signee) but had a nice 12.2 inning debut.
   14. salvomania Posted: January 29, 2020 at 03:29 PM (#5920252)
One year at average is nothing special, but (as you note) 3500 innings at average (or 8000 PA at average, in the case of Dye) is really impressive. It's hard to find a good descriptor for that.

I'd think it's his 30 or so career pitching WAR he accumulated, despite having negative WAA.
   15. The Honorable Ardo Posted: January 29, 2020 at 05:38 PM (#5920335)
They did it very differently in very different contexts, but CC Sabathia and Joe Niekro basically ended up with the same results in their careers. Sabathia gave up 1623 runs in 3577.1 innings and Niekro gave up 1620 in 3584.1 innings.
You ain't kidding. Niekro allowed 4.07 R/9 in a 4.10 context; Sabathia, 4.08 in a 4.65 context. These are league/park contexts; add defensive support - a net positive for Niekro and a net negative for Sabathia - and the gap widens.
   16. Misirlou gave her his Vincent to ride Posted: January 29, 2020 at 11:33 PM (#5920382)
Fair point. Hell, if you're a shortstop, apparently that will eventually get you into the Hall of Fame.


Or a DH.

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