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Monday, February 17, 2020

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-17-2020

Pittsburgh Press, February 17, 1920:

Babe Ruth, “life and limb,” is to be insured by the Yankees for $150,000, it has been announced by Col. T.L. Huston, part owner of the club. It is the first time an individual member of a New York club has been insured for any great amount.

The difference in New York’s approach to Ruth and Boston’s approach to Ruth couldn’t possibly be more extreme. Frazee saw the Babe as an inconvenience, Huston and Ruppert saw him as the most valuable commodity in the sport.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 17, 2020 at 09:52 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 17, 2020 at 09:55 AM (#5924844)
A middle-of-the-pack Birthday Team today. No massive weaknesses, but no big stars either. The top player, in terms of career WAR, is the immortal (?) Ed Brandt.

C: Eddie Phillips (0.5 WAR)
1B: Wally Pipp (31.5 WAR)
2B: Alan Wiggins (7.1 WAR)
3B: Cody Ransom (1.0 WAR)
SS: Joe Miller (1.8 WAR)
LF: Josh Willingham (18.8 WAR)
CF: Nemo Leibold (10.7 WAR)
RF: Steve Evans (15.3 WAR)

SP: Ed Brandt (31.7 WAR)
SP: Stump Weidman (15.1 WAR)
SP/Manager: Roger Craig (13.3 WAR)
SP: Dick Bosman (10.9 WAR)
SP: Doyle Lade (4.4 WAR)
RP: Scott Williamson (8.5 WAR)
RP: Danny Patterson (5.4 WAR)

Coach: Rod Dedeaux
Fun name: Whammy Douglas, Rivington Bisland
Not that one: Jim Bowie
Pinch hitter: Ike Boone
   2. JL72 Posted: February 17, 2020 at 11:08 AM (#5924854)
I assume all the pitchers will vastly improve once their manager teaches them the split-fingered fastball.
   3. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 17, 2020 at 12:45 PM (#5924876)
Going through the starting pitcher rankings in the mid '50s, Robin Roberts in 1956 allowed 46 home runs... and 40 walks. (He had a remarkably bad season for a Hall of Fame pitcher who posted the highest single-season K/BB rate seen since 1920.) Anyone have an easy answer to how common it is for a pitcher who qualifies for the ERA title to have HR>BB?
   4. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 17, 2020 at 01:02 PM (#5924878)
Carlos Silva once allowed 25 HR and 9 BB in 188 IP.

It's not common, but not remarkably rare either. Silva did it another time. Davis Wells, Rick reed, Brad Radke, Jon Leiber and Josh Tomlin also did it twice. 8 others did it once. Mike Leake (41/27) did it last year. Roberts did have a poor year. By ERA+, his was the 3rd worst. Silva had both the best (130), and worst (75) in consecutive seasons.

   5. SoSH U at work Posted: February 17, 2020 at 01:08 PM (#5924881)
Phil Hughes did it over the last five seasons of his career (79 HR, 68 BB), though only two of them included seasons with more HR than BB.

   6. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 17, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5924884)
Hughes never had a qualifying season though. His 2015 probably deserves an honorable mention (29/16 in 155 IP).
   7. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 17, 2020 at 02:53 PM (#5924898)
It was in a strike-shortened season, but Bret Saberhagen once had more wins (14) than either BBs (13) or HRs (13).
   8. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 17, 2020 at 03:36 PM (#5924906)
In 204 innings in 2006, Curt Schilling gave up 28 of each.
   9. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 17, 2020 at 03:59 PM (#5924920)
Yes. a bunch of guys had equal amounts. Lamarr Hoyt had 20 of each, Phil Hughes had 16. David Wells had 2 such seasons, thus giving him 4 qualifying seasons of walks equal to or less than HR. The category should be named for him.
   10. bbmck Posted: February 17, 2020 at 04:14 PM (#5924926)
More HR than BB and qualified for ERA title is 18 times since 1998: twice each by Brad Radke, Carlos Silva, David Wells, Jon Lieber, Josh Tomlin and Rick Reed, once each by Bartolo Colon, Brian Anderson, Bronson Arroyo, Greg Maddux, Jose Lima and Mike Leake.

And 1976 Gary Nolan, 1956 Robin Roberts and 1874 Tommy Bond.

David Wells also has 2 of the 8 seasons of HR = BB along with Phil Hughes and Curt Schilling since 1998 and previously 1994 Bret Saberhagen, 1985 LaMarr Hoyt, 1959 Lew Burdette and 1876 Cherokee Fisher.

Min 500 IP for career and Josh Tomlin 181 HR and 140 BB is the only pitcher with more HR than BB, Josh Towers just missed 122 HR and 123 BB and then Edward Mujica 80 HR and 89 BB and Kevin Slowey 99 HR and 111 BB. Brad Radke 326 HR and 445 BB with the highest ratio for 2000+ IP, Brian Anderson 264 HR and 337 BB for 1000+ and 1500+ IP.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: February 17, 2020 at 04:20 PM (#5924932)
For careers, pitchers with less than twice as many walks as HRs ... 30 pitchers with at least 1000 IP. Roberts easily leads in IP, followed by Wells, Radke, Arroyo and Dan Haren (that one surprised me a bit). Lots of other contemporary guys on the list (8 total active in 2019) and fully half retired 2010 or later. (Helps to be in a high HR era obviously.) The super freaks then (i.e. those not affected by sillyball HR rates) are Newcombe, Warren Hacker (who?), Roberts, Hoyt, Dick Hall (also who?) and Bill Wegman. [Hacker mostly pitched for the Cubs in the 50s, one big season, a few average ones and did have one with 38 HR and 43 BB.]

By ERA+ none of these guys is awesome. Newcombe and Tanaka (active) lead the way at 114 followed by Roberts and Radke at 113 and the immortal Dick Hall at 111 (mostly as a reliever).
   12. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: February 17, 2020 at 05:06 PM (#5924949)
More HR than BB and qualified for ERA title is 18 times since 1998: twice each by Brad Radke, Carlos Silva, David Wells, Jon Lieber, Josh Tomlin and Rick Reed, once each by Bartolo Colon, Brian Anderson, Bronson Arroyo, Greg Maddux, Jose Lima and Mike Leake.

And 1976 Gary Nolan, 1956 Robin Roberts and 1874 Tommy Bond.


So Roberts was the first pitcher to do this since a walk became four balls instead of ten (and since overhand pitching was legalized).

Thanks!
   13. JJ1986 Posted: February 17, 2020 at 09:26 PM (#5925005)
The Brewers have signed Brock Holt. Between 1B, 2B, 3B and LF, they have Ryan Braun and Keston Hiura who should play as much as they can. This offseason, they have added Justin Smoak, Eric Sogard, Holt, Jedd Gyorko, Ryon Healy and Avisail Garcia to fill the the other two spots.

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