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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 2-19-2020

Pendleton East Oregonian, February 19, 1920:
Ray Schalk
It would seem that Ray Schalk’s company smelted it, then he dealt it.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2020 at 09:43 AM | 64 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:08 AM (#5925306)
A weak Birthday Team today. A couple times a year, I'm reminded that two different people named Bob Sadowski played in the big leagues in 1963. The odds against that have to be astronomical.

C: Chris Stewart (1.5 WAR)
1B: Gail Hopkins (3.2 WAR)
2B/Manager: John Morrill (23.0 WAR)
3B: Chuck Aleno (-0.6 WAR)
SS: Alvaro Espinoza (3.9 WAR)
LF: Dick Siebert (7.9 WAR)
CF: Don Taussig (0.4 WAR)
RF: Josh Reddick (24.9 WAR)

SP: Dave Stewart (26.5 WAR)
SP: Miguel Batista (12.6 WAR)
SP: Daniel Megden (2.0 WAR)
SP: Tom Earley (1.0 WAR)
SP: Bob Sadowski (1.0 WAR)
RP: Tim Burke (12.1 WAR)
RP: Dan Otero (5.1 WAR)
RP: Keith Atherton (4.4 WAR)

Fun name: Uke Clanton
Scout/Fun name/Place where you lay down after you drop acid: Trip Couch
Broadcaster: Dave Niehaus
General Manager: Walt Jocketty
   2. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:25 AM (#5925309)
A couple times a year, I'm reminded that two different people named Bob Sadowski played in the big leagues in 1963. The odds against that have to be astronomical.


What a shame that the Steve ... Ontiverii? ... didn't coincide as active MLB players.
   3. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:46 AM (#5925317)
I was noticing that Adam Wainwright, with 1776 career strikeouts, is getting close to a rare accomplishment: 2000 strikeouts with one franchise. Wainwright, who turns 39 in August, would need to have a decent 2020, and then the desire, to return to the rotation in 2021, which he'd need to do to have a shot at 2000 Ks.

Only 27 pitchers have struck out 2000 batters for a franchise; one pitcher did it twice. Three of them were in the same rotation at the same time.

Who are these 27 pitchers (one of them twice), and for which franchises? I'll match the names to the numbers.

3509
3117
3031
3011

2912
2696
2679
2590
2581

2541
2524
2504
2493
2486

2464
2416
2396
2373
2281

2212
2162
2159
2151
2091

2077
2038
2035
2020
   4. Nasty Nate Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:50 AM (#5925321)
Clemens - Red Sox
Seaver - Mets
W Johnson - Senators
Carlton - Phillies
Feller - Indians
Felix - Mariners
   5. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5925325)
3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011

2912
2696
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493
2486

2464
2416
2396
2373
2281

2212
2162
2159
2151
2091

2077
2038
2035
2020
   6. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2020 at 10:59 AM (#5925326)
Smoltz, Braves?
Glavine, Braves?
Maddux, Braves?
   7. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:00 AM (#5925327)
Nolan Ryan, Angels and Astros?
   8. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5925329)
Yes on Smoltz and Glavine (almost 1000 K apart), no on Maddux---he had just 1828 with the Braves.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912
2696
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493
2486

2464
2416
2396
2373
2281

2212
2162
2159
2151
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077
2038
2035
2020
   9. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:04 AM (#5925331)
Nolan Ryan, Angels and Astros?

Ryan is one of them, but only for the Angels. He had 1866 Ks with the Astros.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912
2696
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493
2486

2464
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396
2373
2281

2212
2162
2159
2151
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077
2038
2035
2020
   10. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:05 AM (#5925333)
Verlander, Tigers
Kershaw, Dodgers
   11. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:09 AM (#5925334)
Verlander, Tigers
Kershaw, Dodgers

Yup and yup.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912
2696
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493
2486

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281

2212
2162
2159
2151
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077
2038
2035
2020
   12. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:13 AM (#5925336)
Jim Palmer, Orioles
Randy Johnson, Mariners
   13. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:16 AM (#5925338)
Bob Gibson, Cards
   14. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:17 AM (#5925339)
Koufax, Dodgers
Drysdale, Dodgers
   15. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:18 AM (#5925340)
Juan Marichal, Giants
Don Drysdale, Dodgers
Don Newcombe, Dodgers
Sandy Koufax, Dodgers
Jim Palmer, Orioles
Mike Cuellar, Orioles
Mike Flanagan, Orioles
J.R. Richard, Astros
Curt Schilling, Phillies
Roy Oswalt, Astros
Randy Johnson, Mariners and Dbacks?
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:19 AM (#5925341)
Andy Pettitte, Yankees
Phil Niekro, Braves
Warren Spahn, Braves
   17. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:20 AM (#5925343)
Don Sutton, Dodgers
   18. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:21 AM (#5925344)
Dave Stieb, Blue Jays (he was there forever)
Chuck Finley, Angels (he was there forever)
Jered Weaver, Angels (he was there for about 10 years and everyone has a lot of strikeouts these days)
Dwight Gooden, Mets
   19. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:24 AM (#5925347)
Dazzy Vance, Dodgers
   20. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM (#5925349)
Yes on Palmer, Johnson (twice), Gibson, Koufax, Drysdale, Marichal, Koufax, Pettitte, Niekro, and Spahn.

No on Newcombe, Cuellar, Flanagan, Richard, Schilling, Oswalt

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117 Gibson, Cardinals
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912 Niekro, Braves
2696
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493 Spahn, Braves
2486 Drysdale, Dodgers

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396 Koufax, Dodgers
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281 Marichal, Giants

2212 Palmer, Orioles
2162 R. Johnson, Sea
2159
2151
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077 R. Jonson, AZ
2038
2035
2020 Pettitte, Yankees
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:26 AM (#5925350)
Mario Soto, Reds (finally remembered his name)
   22. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:28 AM (#5925351)
Yes on Sutton and Finley.

No on Stieb, Weaver, Gooden and Vance.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117 Gibson, Cardinals
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912 Niekro, Braves
2696 Sutton, Dodgers
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504
2493 Spahn, Braves
2486 Drysdale, Dodgers

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396 Koufax, Dodgers
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281 Marichal, Giants

2212 Palmer, Orioles
2162 R. Johnson, Mariners
2159
2151 Finley, Angels
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077 R. Johnson, DBacks
2038
2035
2020 Pettitte, Yankees
   23. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:29 AM (#5925352)
Five left (no on Soto).

Two well-known for strikeouts.

Two who also had great K numbers, but might be better remembered as compilers.

And one all-time HoFer.

EDIT: So one of the "well-known for strikeouts" guys had 200+ strikeouts eight times, whereas one of the compilers had 200+ Ks "only" six times.
   24. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:30 AM (#5925353)
CC Sabathia, Indians?
   25. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:32 AM (#5925354)
Sabathia had 1700 with the Yankees, 1265 with the Indians.
   26. Gary Truth Serum Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5925355)
Christy Mathewson, Giants
   27. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5925356)
grover cleveland alexander, Phillies?
   28. mathesond Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:33 AM (#5925357)
Cy Young, Red Sox?
   29. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:34 AM (#5925358)
The other "compiler" had 200+ Ks seven times, whereas the other "well known for strikeouts" guy had 200+ Ks only six times.
   30. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:35 AM (#5925359)
Christy Mathewson, Giants

Yes, Mathewson is the all-time great.

Four other guys who struck out 200+ eight times, seven times, six times, and six times.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117 Gibson, Cardinals
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912 Niekro, Braves
2696 Sutton, Dodgers
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504 Mathewson, Giants
2493 Spahn, Braves
2486 Drysdale, Dodgers

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396 Koufax, Dodgers
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281 Marichal, Giants

2212 Palmer, Orioles
2162 R. Johnson, Mariners
2159
2151 Finley, Angels
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077 R. Johnson, DBacks
2038
2035
2020 Pettitte, Yankees
   31. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:36 AM (#5925360)
The ultimate compiler, Don Sutton?

Edit: Dodgers
   32. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:36 AM (#5925362)
The four remainers were all contemporaries for at least a few years.
   33. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:38 AM (#5925363)
Bert Blyleven, Twins? was he there long enough?
Robin Roberts, Orioles?

edit: not Orioles for Roberts, Phillies. Drew a blank on his team for a minute.
   34. JJ1986 Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:38 AM (#5925364)
Ron Guidry, Yankees?
   35. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM (#5925365)
In one season the four struck out 987 batters, three in the AL, one in the NL.

(Sutton already named, 2696)
   36. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:40 AM (#5925366)
Bert Blyleven, Twins? was he there long enough?
Robin Roberts, Orioles?


No on Roberts, but yes on Blyleven: 2035 Ks with the Twins.

Ron Guidry, Yankees?

Guidry had 1778.

Three left!
   37. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:41 AM (#5925367)
Fergie Jenkins, Cubs?
   38. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:41 AM (#5925368)
Here's a clue:

"bottle"
   39. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:42 AM (#5925369)
Fergie Jenkins, Cubs?

Yes on Jenkins! 2038 Ks with the Cubs.
   40. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:43 AM (#5925370)
The two remaining guys each have another franchise-mate already on the board. One of them has his team's career record for Ks, the other guy is Number 2 on his team's list.

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117 Gibson, Cardinals
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912 Niekro, Braves
2696 Sutton, Dodgers
2679
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504 Mathewson, Giants
2493 Spahn, Braves
2486 Drysdale, Dodgers

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396 Koufax, Dodgers
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281 Marichal, Giants

2212 Palmer, Orioles
2162 R. Johnson, Mariners
2159
2151 Finley, Angels
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077 R. Johnson, DBacks
2038 Jenkins, Cubs
2035 Blyleven, Twins
2020 Pettitte, Yankees
   41. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:48 AM (#5925372)
Each of the two guys left had a 20-win 300-K season.
   42. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:50 AM (#5925373)
Sam McDowell, Indians?
   43. JustDan Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:52 AM (#5925374)
Lolich?
Kaat?
   44. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:53 AM (#5925375)
Oh, and Mickey Lolich, Tigers. Duh.
   45. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:57 AM (#5925376)
Sam McDowell, Indians?

Yes, Sudden Sam is one of the last two. Led the AL in strikeouts five times from 1965-1970.

McDowell was an alcoholic, which contributed heavily to the fact that his last decent year was 1971, when he was 28.

After he retired, and then got divorced, and then went bankrupt, he went back to college, got degrees in sports psychology and addiction, and became an addiction counselor for major-league baseball as well as a consultant with BAT (Baseball Assistance Team). He remarried and started a retirement community for former players.

(the above from Wikipedia, which also states that the character Sam Malone in Cheers was based on McDowell.)
   46. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 11:58 AM (#5925377)
And Mickey Lolich rounds it out. The final list of pitchers with 2000 Ks for a franchise:

3509 W. Johnson, Senators
3117 Gibson, Cardinals
3031 Carlton, Phillies
3011 Smoltz, Braves

2912 Niekro, Braves
2696 Sutton, Dodgers
2679 Lolich, Tigers
2590 Clemens, Red Sox
2581 Feller, Indians

2541 Seaver, Mets
2524 Felix, Mariners
2504 Mathewson, Giants
2493 Spahn, Braves
2486 Drysdale, Dodgers

2464 Kershaw, Dodgers
2416 Ryan, Angels
2396 Koufax, Dodgers
2373 Verlander, Tigers
2281 Marichal, Giants

2212 Palmer, Orioles
2162 R. Johnson, Mariners
2159 McDowell, Indians
2151 Finley, Angels
2091 Glavine, Braves

2077 R. Johnson, DBacks
2038 Jenkins, Cubs
2035 Blyleven, Twins
2020 Pettitte, Yankees
   47. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 19, 2020 at 12:32 PM (#5925381)
After he retired, and then got divorced, and then went bankrupt, he went back to college, got degrees in sports psychology and addiction, and became an addiction counselor for major-league baseball as well as a consultant with BAT (Baseball Assistance Team). He remarried and started a retirement community for former players.
Huh. I knew about his addiction issues, but not that he was able to turn his life around. Good for him. Kind of sad, though, that he's remembered more readily for his addiction than his subsequent life.
   48. Itchy Row Posted: February 19, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5925385)
As mentioned above, McDowell had his last good year at age 28. He has the most career strikeouts through ages 27 and 28. He's second (behind Walter Johnson) through age 29. His last pitch was at 32, and he's ninth in K's through 32, behind six Hall of Famers and two (Felix Hernandez and Clayton Kershaw) who aren't eligible yet.
   49. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 19, 2020 at 12:55 PM (#5925388)
I'm sure the drinking didn't help his longevity any, but McDowell averaged 260 IP for his six seasons between age 22 and 27, and he must have thrown about a billion pitches, seeing as how he walked at least 100 men for eight straight years, leading the league five times. Not everyone can be Nolan Ryan; some people are Dwight Gooden.
   50. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: February 19, 2020 at 01:26 PM (#5925393)
I'm sure the drinking didn't help his longevity any, but McDowell averaged 260 IP for his six seasons between age 22 and 27, and he must have thrown about a billion pitches,

Sudden Sam has said that the reason the Indians never tried to curb his habits is that (as he put it) "when I was drinking my worst, I was pitching my best". It eventually caught up with him..
   51. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 19, 2020 at 02:19 PM (#5925399)
Sudden Sam is my only autograph. He was the keynote speaker at the PA newspaper boy of the year banquet in Pittsburgh. That was late fall 1965. He had to leave early because his wife went into labor. I cornered him while he was waiting for his cab.
   52. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 19, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5925413)
I've heard of Sam McDowell plenty of times but am somehow surprised that he was a major leaguer in 1975. Something about having the cool nickname, having the career ended by alcoholism, playing for the Indians, all these things added up to a player from 30-60 years earlier than that.

So Edmundo, were you one of the candidates for 1965 PA newspaper boy of the year? How was it decided - skills competition? Pop quiz?
   53. Itchy Row Posted: February 19, 2020 at 02:59 PM (#5925414)
He had to leave early because his wife went into labor.
The result of that labor pitched in the minor leagues for four years.
   54. bbmck Posted: February 19, 2020 at 03:21 PM (#5925417)
One person missing from the list and the rest of the franchise leaders:

2046 Wakefield, Red Sox
1985 Plank, Athletics
1866 Ryan, Astros
1796 Pierce, White Sox
1695 Nationals, Strasburg

1682 Friend, Pirates
1658 Stieb, Blue Jays
1592 Maloney, Reds
1458 Appier, Royals
1452 Hough, Rangers

1348 Peavy, Padres
1250 Shields, Rays
1226 Gallardo, Brewers
1001 Nolasco, Marlins
985 De La Rosa, Rockies

2k K with a club candidates on current contract and remaining contract years with current franchise:

Wainwight needs 224, 1
Strasburg needs 305, 7
Scherzer needs 629, 2
deGrom needs 745, opt out in 3, 5th year is option

Carrasco needs 777, 4th year is option
Nola needs 1174, 4th year is option
Sale needs 1237, opt out in 3, 6th year is option
Cole needs 2000, opt out in 5, 9

Edwin Jackson is probably the only member of the 1500 K club without 300 K with a franchise but couldn't figure out a way to be certain.
   55. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: February 19, 2020 at 03:49 PM (#5925423)
And Mickey Lolich rounds it out.

/golfclap
   56. salvomania Posted: February 19, 2020 at 04:02 PM (#5925429)
2046 Wakefield, Red Sox

Thanks for picking that up, bbmck, not sure how I missed him on my original list.
   57. bbmck Posted: February 19, 2020 at 04:17 PM (#5925433)
The other K leaders with a franchise (active):

1936 Stargell, Pirates (Marte 812)
1883 Schmidt, Phillies (Odubel 544)
1840 Jeter, Yankees (Gardner 1110)
1815 Sosa, Cubs (Rizzo 774)
1753 Biggio, Astros (Springer 747)

1643 Evans, Red Sox (JBJ 780)
1629 Killebrew, Twins (Sano 744)
1581 Murphy, Braves (Freeman 1168)
1533 Davis, Orioles
1498 Gordon, Royals

1469 Brock, Cardinals (Carpenter 947)
1436 Mays, Giants (Belt 985)
1400 Thome, Indians (Santana 920)
1375 Buhner, Mariners (Seager 926)
1360 Salmon, Angels (Trout 1118)

1350 Yount, Brewers (Braun 1336)
1349 Konerko, White Sox (Abreu 776)
1311 Votto, Reds
1307 Zimmerman, Nationals
1292 Wright, Mets (Conforto 549)

1242 Delgado, Blue Jays (Teoscar 352)
1226 Reggie, Athletics (Davis 682)
1220 Longoria, Rays (Kiermaier 534)
1189 Inge, Tigers (Miggy 1169)
1179 Kemp, Dodgers (Joc 575)

1175 Helton, Rockies (Blackmon 757)
1152 Young, Rangers (Andrus 947)
1140 Giancarlo, Marlins (Anderson 271)
1059 Goldschmidt, D'Backs (Lamb 560)
864 Headley, Padres (Myers 657)

For active I'm intentionally excluding players not currently on that team but might have unintentionally missed players who didn't play for the franchise in 2019 but will play for them in 2020. The current rate of strikeouts means a number of future franchise leaders are probably currently on the team, Mike Trout currently 57.7% of the single franchise K record, 38.9% of the single franchise HR record and 37.7% of the single franchise PA record. Barring a trade, Hank Aaron is about to drop to 6th in Braves K, also trailing two Jones and Mathews and only 126 ahead of Freeman. Yaz the all-time leader in PA for a franchise is 4th in K for the Red Sox also trailing Rice and Ortiz.
   58. Itchy Row Posted: February 19, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5925457)
1533 Davis, Orioles
That's pretty impressive. He's 24th in plate appearances with the Orioles/Browns, more than 8000 behind Ripken, but he has a 228-strikeout lead over Ripken.
   59. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: February 19, 2020 at 06:56 PM (#5925458)
So Edmundo, were you one of the candidates for 1965 PA newspaper boy of the year? How was it decided - skills competition? Pop quiz?


To win the local award, we had to write a paper, and have our parents write something too. I think the fact that I was going to pay my prep school tuition was enough to win the under-15 division. I think the other kid who won the senior division from my newspaper supported his family or something. He got an honorable mention at states; I got nothin'.
   60. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2020 at 07:21 PM (#5925463)
I particularly like that Mickey Mantle held the ML record for 14 years at 1,710 (Stargell briefly then Reggie to this day although Thome gave it a good go) ... all of them with the Yanks ... and he's been passed by Jeter of all people.
   61. Walt Davis Posted: February 19, 2020 at 07:28 PM (#5925464)
The list in 57 (and I suppose the pitcher list too) may be an interesting example of how FA has affected the game. Given the explosion in Ks, how in the world is the Dodger leader still under 1,200 -- they're a wealthy, "star"-laden team yet haven't held onto anybody in the last 30-40 years to top 1200 Ks (though the leader is a modern player). I never would have guessed that Brock was still the Cards' K leader not that any obvious candidate springs to mind. And Inge for the Tigers? (I know, he'll be passed soon by Miggy.)
   62. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: February 20, 2020 at 08:15 PM (#5925752)
Spring training starts tomorrow
   63. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 20, 2020 at 10:54 PM (#5925771)
The list in 57 (and I suppose the pitcher list too) may be an interesting example of how FA has affected the game. Given the explosion in Ks, how in the world is the Dodger leader still under 1,200 -- they're a wealthy, "star"-laden team yet haven't held onto anybody in the last 30-40 years to top 1200 Ks (though the leader is a modern player). I never would have guessed that Brock was still the Cards' K leader not that any obvious candidate springs to mind. And Inge for the Tigers? (I know, he'll be passed soon by Miggy.)

The Dodgers have a really unimpressive leader board, especially on the hitting side. I think their top-3 HR hitters are all still from "Dem Bums".
   64. vortex of dissipation Posted: February 21, 2020 at 01:34 AM (#5925785)
I think their top-3 HR hitters are all still from "Dem Bums".


Very close.

1. Snider
2. Hodges
3. Karros
4. Campanella

Snider and Hodges are also still #2 and #3 in strikeouts behind Kemp.

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