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Pittsburgh Gazette Times, February 26, 1920:

Whitted Signs Pirate Contract; Lines Up a “Babe Ruth” for Bucs

George Whitted, a star member of the Pittsburgh Nationals, [yesterday] won a race with many major and minor league officials through the signing of Leo Mangum, a Durham [North Carolina] amateur who has attracted widespread comment in the baseball world. Whitted sent Mangum’s contract also with his own to the Pittsburgh management.

During the past few weeks Mangum has received contract offers from 10 major and minor league clubs. His phenomenal pitching last summer in amateur circles was probably responsible. Besides being a pitcher, the youngster can play infield or outfield and is a natural hitter. Whitted predicts that he will have no trouble sticking with the Pittsburgh club this season.

Leo Mangum made his major league debut in 1924, when he put up a 7.09 ERA in 13 games (seven starts) for the White Sox. He allowed 95 baserunners in 47 innings that year and walked more than twice as many batters as he struck out.

Unfortunately, Leo Mangum wasn’t a Babe Ruth. He wasn’t even a Brooks Kieschnick or Michael Lorenzen - Mangum never appeared as a position player in his seven-season MLB career and wound up with a career ERA+ of 68 and a career OPS+ of 30.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:09 AM | 28 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:11 AM (#5926500)
A good Birthday Team today, but it would be better if it had the other Jose Reyes and the other Francisco Rodriguez. The ace starter is pretty decent.

C: Kevin Plawecki (2.8 WAR)
1B: J.T. Snow (11.0 WAR)
2B: Jack Brohamer (5.6 WAR)
3B: Kelly Gruber (16.4 WAR)
SS: David Howard (2.6 WAR)
LF: Danny Gardella (2.2 WAR)
CF: Dustin Ackley (8.1 WAR)
RF: Mark DeRosa (9.9 WAR)

SP: Grover Cleveland Alexander (118.9 WAR)
SP: Preacher Roe (29.6 WAR)
SP: Rip Collins (16.4 WAR)
SP: Don Lee (7.5 WAR)
SP: Josh Towers (2.2 WAR)
RP: Hector Rondon (5.8 WAR)

Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame outfielder, probably the best OF born on February 26: Hiromitsu Kadota
Heisman Trophy winner: Vic Janowicz (-1.2 WAR)
Somehow pitched for Team USA in the 2006 WBC: Gary Majewski (-0.2 WAR)
Not that one: Francisco Rodriguez (0.3 WAR)
Not that one: Jose Reyes (-0.1 WAR)
   2. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:18 AM (#5926504)
Unfortunately, Leo Mangum wasn’t a Babe Ruth. He wasn’t even a Brooks Kieschnick or Michael Lorenzen - Mangum never appeared as a position player in his seven-season MLB career and wound up with a career ERA+ of 68 and a career OPS+ of 30.

He beat Toe Nash, at least.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:32 AM (#5926509)
The Pirates had traded Casey Stengel for Possum Whitted six months earlier, and Possum was already bringing them one of the first next-Babe-Ruths.
   4. RJ in TO Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:51 AM (#5926515)
Kelly Gruber was part of the Jays incredibly successful run with Rule 5 picks in the 70s and 80s, which also included George Bell, Manny Lee, Willie Upshaw, Jim Gott, and Jim Acker. There were a bunch of duds in there too, but those early Jays teams had a lot of space at the end of the roster to keep Rule 5 players around, and did a pretty damn good job overall of getting a bunch of players for free.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: February 26, 2020 at 10:53 AM (#5926518)
Also, regarding Gruber:
On June 16, 2018, he made numerous controversial and offensive remarks at a PitchTalks event in Toronto, some directed at moderator Ashley Docking, prompting his uninviting from the upcoming Canadian Baseball Hall of Fame festivities.
Alcohol may have been a factor.
   6. JJ1986 Posted: February 26, 2020 at 11:47 AM (#5926528)
I feel like Dustin Ackley was just recently a major leaguer, but his last game was May 2016.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 11:51 AM (#5926531)
SP: Preacher Roe (29.6 WAR)

With that name he should have pitched about 50 years earlier.
   8. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:20 PM (#5926539)
I read today that Preacher Roe wasn't an extremely religious person or anything - he got the nickname because when he was a really little kid, someone asked him his name and for some reason he said Preacher. Even he didn't know why he said it.
   9. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:22 PM (#5926540)
I feel like Dustin Ackley was just recently a major leaguer, but his last game was May 2016.
I have a mental block preventing me from learning that Noah Lowry and Josh Towers are out of baseball and have been for years. I also can't tell the difference between a Journey album cut and a Foreigner album cut, even though intellectually I know how the two bands differ.

Weird mental blind spots. I dunno.
   10. Itchy Row Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:44 PM (#5926545)
Ackley was with the Mariners last spring, but to me anything that has happened since 2012 seems like it just happened last week.
   11. RJ in TO Posted: February 26, 2020 at 12:58 PM (#5926552)
I have a mental block preventing me from learning that Noah Lowry and Josh Towers are out of baseball and have been for years.
Towers has been out of the majors since 2009, and should have been out since 2006. That's an impressive mental block.

Fun Josh Towers fact: In 2005, he had the best ERA of any pitcher in the AL East who qualified for the ERA title. Despite this, he did not finish in the Top 10 in the AL.
   12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:30 PM (#5926559)
It makes sense for Noah Lowry (unless you're a Giants fan) because his career just stopped all of a sudden and never resumed. He started 26 games in 2007 with a 114 ERA+. Then he never pitched again, even in the minors. So we didn't get the experience of seeing him decline, struggle, try to latch on with other teams on NRIs etc. It's like when a product disappears from the supermarket. Last year I wanted to buy Jell-O Pudding Pops but they weren't at the store. Apparently they haven't been sold since 2011.


Lowry was slated as the number three starter for the Giants in 2008, but the forearm injury that shut him down in 2007 kept him out of the 2008 season. After having trouble throwing strikes early on in spring training, Lowry was diagnosed with exertional compartment syndrome[4] and had surgery on his left forearm on March 7. In September 2008, he also had an arthroscopic procedure to remove a bone spur from his left elbow.[5]

In May 2009 Lowry had a rib surgically removed to relieve the continued pain in his shoulder and neck associated with his recent diagnosis of thoracic outlet syndrome.[6] The new diagnosis brought the original diagnosis of exertional compartment syndrome into question, along with the necessity of his 2008 surgery.[7] Lowry's agent, Damon Lapa, claimed that the Giants' medical staff had misdiagnosed the injury and subjected Lowry to an unnecessary arm operation, turning a potential short-term recovery into a lengthy medical ordeal. Lapa said Dr. James Andrews and Dr. Greg Pearl confirmed the diagnosis in separate consultations with Lowry. Lapa said the circulatory issue was the source of Lowry's forearm tightness in August 2007 and loss of control in spring training 2008, but that the Giants' medical staff failed to identify the problem. The Giants, however, denied any wrongdoing.[5]
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5926560)
I also can't tell the difference between a Journey album cut and a Foreigner album cut,

Is there anyone who can? It's like Chicago and Boston.
   14. JJ1986 Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:38 PM (#5926564)
The Astros are visiting the Mets and none of the fans brought trash cans to bang on.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: February 26, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5926566)
Last year I wanted to buy Jell-O Pudding Pops but they weren't at the store. Apparently they haven't been sold since 2011.
Too closely associated with Cosby?
   16. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5926571)
It's like Chicago and Boston.


Chicago has a horn section, at least in the early years, then turned into a soft rock thing.

Boston has like 9 electric guitars.
   17. RJ in TO Posted: February 26, 2020 at 02:28 PM (#5926575)
He means the cities. Both are filled with people with funny accents, and baseball teams best known for long championship droughts, so what's the difference?

But yes, if you can't tell the bands apart, you're just not paying attention.
   18. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 02:39 PM (#5926578)
I only know two Kansas songs, and a handful of Boston songs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to tell a deep cut of one band from the other.
   19. salvomania Posted: February 26, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5926587)
he got the nickname because when he was a really little kid, someone asked him his name and for some reason he said Preacher. Even he didn't know why he said it.

Same basic story with Scooter Gennett---when he was 5 years old he was throwing a tantrum outside the family car in a parking lot and when a cop sidled over, his mom suggested the cop arrest Ryan (his real name).

When the cop asked him his name, he panicked and didn'tr want to give his real name, and the first name that came into his head was Scooter, from the Muppets. And from then on he was Scooter.
   20. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 26, 2020 at 04:46 PM (#5926632)
I only know two Kansas songs, and a handful of Boston songs, but I'm not sure I'd be able to tell a deep cut of one band from the other.


Not as weird as Chicago and Boston, but Kansas also has a unique sound. If you hear horns, it's Chicago. If you hear violins, it's Kansas. If it's all guitar, it's Boston.
   21. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:00 PM (#5926643)
Violins, huh?
   22. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:09 PM (#5926647)
Not as weird as Chicago and Boston, but Kansas also has a unique sound. If you hear horns, it's Chicago. If you hear violins, it's Kansas. If it's all guitar, it's Boston.

And how exactly am I supposed to remember which is which?
   23. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:14 PM (#5926650)
Violins, huh?


Violins

And how exactly am I supposed to remember which is which?


Well, you're not supposed to, but if do remember those simple facts, you can distinguish the bands even if you don't know the songs.
   24. PreservedFish Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:20 PM (#5926653)
I knew that one. I guess I know 3 Kansas songs.
   25. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:21 PM (#5926655)
How about this?

Boston - Guitars

Chicago - Horns

Kansas - Viloin

Whichever band comes first alphabetically is paired with the instrument that comes first alphabetically, and so on.
   26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:24 PM (#5926656)
How about this?

Boston - Guitars

Chicago - Horns

Kansas - Viloin

Whichever band comes first alphabetically is paired with the instrument that comes first alphabetically, and so on.


That's pretty good. I generally can identify Kansas, so I just need to remember guitars and horns.
   27. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: February 26, 2020 at 05:25 PM (#5926658)
PF. here's one I'm sure you don't know. But when you hear the violin, you know it's not Boston.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: February 26, 2020 at 06:27 PM (#5926667)
If you've never had any need to tell them apart before, there's no reason to start doing so now.

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