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Wednesday, March 27, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-27-2019

Washington Times, March 27, 1919:

Frank O’Doul, the big Pacific coast southpaw, is providing the sensation of the Yankee camp [in Florida]. He has been pitching as recently as St. Patrick’s Day and is ready to go nine innings right now.

O’Doul threatens to be another Babe Ruth. In addition to his pitching ability, he looks like a slugger of the first water, and he is easily the speediest Yankee in sight, though this may mean little, as the Yankees are not gifted with much speed.
...
Manager Huggins may switch O’Doul to the outfield, if he can keep up his present good form, as he needs at least one southpaw hitter in the garden.

This was pretty perceptive, though it took nearly ten years for someone to let O’Doul play every day in the big leagues. At least PCL fans got to see him demolish everything in his path for a few years.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 10:08 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 10:09 AM (#5825682)
Today's Birthday Team features a few OBP machines: Posey, Huggins, and Brandon Nimmo. Finding Nimmo on the basepaths is pretty easy.

C: Adam Melhuse (0.7 WAR)
1B: Buster Posey (41.1 WAR)
2B/Manager: Miller Huggins (35.6 WAR)
3B: Bill Sudakis (4.9 WAR)
SS: George Magoon (4.6 WAR)
LF: Wes Covington (9.2 WAR)
CF: Brandon Nimmo (5.4 WAR)
RF: Michael Cuddyer (17.3 WAR)

SP: Dick Ruthven (18.4 WAR)
SP: Lynn McGlothen (14.3 WAR)
SP: Matt Harvey (11.0 WAR)
SP: Jake Odorizzi (9.7 WAR)
SP: Jaime Navarro (9.3 WAR)
RP: Steve Sundra (5.4 WAR)

Owner: Effa Manley
-6.3 career WAR: Vic Harris (-6.3 WAR)
Fun name: Creighton Gubanich
Not that one: Johnny Gill
None of those ones: Mike Jackson
   2. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 27, 2019 at 10:24 AM (#5825685)
-6.3 career WAR: Vic Harris (-6.3 WAR)


Ah, Vic Harris. For those who railed against Dusty's F Troop, those guys had nothing on the 70's Cubs. In addition to Harris:

Dave Rosello. -3.3
Joe Wallis -1.0
Pete LaCock -1.9
Scot Thompson -5.7
Larry Biitner -1.2
Mick Kelleher -2.4
Steve swisher -1.9

   3. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5825710)
-6.3 career WAR: Vic Harris (-6.3 WAR)

In only 1800 PAs. That's oddly impressive.
   4. JJ1986 Posted: March 27, 2019 at 12:00 PM (#5825717)
My phone takes terrible pictures, but I put this up on my wall for the 20th anniversary season - All 45 players who played for the 1999 New York Mets.
   5. RJ in TO Posted: March 27, 2019 at 12:42 PM (#5825728)
Vic Harris' career is kind of amazing, in that he couldn't hit, couldn't field, and yet five separate teams thought it was a good idea to keep him on the roster. I guess that one season of almost competence in 1973 fooled a lot of people.
   6. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:06 PM (#5825732)
-6.3 career WAR: Vic Harris (-6.3 WAR)

In only 1800 PAs. That's oddly impressive.


Scot Thompson had -5.7 in only 1391.
   7. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:21 PM (#5825737)
-6.3 career WAR: Vic Harris (-6.3 WAR)

In only 1800 PAs. That's oddly impressive.

someone named Jim Levey (4 yr career with SLB in the 30s) ended up with -7.5 in 1751 PAs
   8. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:37 PM (#5825742)
EDIT: checking further, it turns out Levey has 2 of the worst 7 single-season WAR (-3.1 & -3.9) in MLB history in only a 4-year career --now THAT'S impressive
   9. Tom Nawrocki Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:42 PM (#5825743)
Jerry Morales lasted 15 years, seven of them with the Cubs, and racked up -2.0 WAR. He was a corner outfielder who didn't have much power, batted .259 lifetime, and rarely walked.
   10. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:44 PM (#5825744)
I think I have the winner here: Pat Rocket

-5.5 WAR in just 459 PA. That's just 84 PA per -1 WAR. In 1978, he managed -3.0 WAR in just 157 PA, thanks to a 0 OPS+ and -14 fielding runs.
   11. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 27, 2019 at 01:50 PM (#5825745)
In that magical first half of 1977, Jerry Morales batted .331 and earned his only ASG slot. But he, like the whole team, cratered in the second half. But thanks to his big first half, he managed to keep his BA above .300 until September, so we all figured, "Hey, he's still pretty good."
   12. Davo Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:00 PM (#5825752)
In 1933 Levey hit .195/.237/.240 as St. Louis’s everyday shortstop.

American League pitchers in 1933 had a cumulative batting line of .190/.237/.244.
   13. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5825767)
I'm a bit amazed at how Cleveland's John Gochnaur could have a WAR of "only" -0.3 in 1903 after putting up a line of .185/.265/.240 in 134 games, good for an OPS+ of 54, while making 98 errors at shortstop. Seems like that performance should be historically bad.
   14. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: March 27, 2019 at 02:39 PM (#5825774)
Rocket was even 2-for-6 on the basepaths. Five tool player here!
   15. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: March 27, 2019 at 03:20 PM (#5825805)
In that magical first half of 1977, Jerry Morales batted .331 and earned his only ASG slot. But he, like the whole team, cratered in the second half. But thanks to his big first half, he managed to keep his BA above .300 until September, so we all figured, "Hey, he's still pretty good."


Those Cubs of the mid-'70s had the reputation of choking away 2nd half leads. I wanted to see if I remembered that right...so I looked.


In 1975, they were a game up on June 5th -- coming off a highwater mark of 8 up -- then hit a 1-9 streak that dropped them to 5 back by the 14th. They finished 5th in the NL East, 17.5 GB

In '76, they never led -- Philly spread-eagled the division that year -- and finished 4th, 26.0 GB

In '77, they were a game & a half up as late as August 3rd -- after having their biggest lead be 8.5 -- and hit a 10-19 slough that knocked them 11.5 back of the Phils on September 5th. They would finish 20 GB

In '78, they had a two-and-a-half-game lead on June 21st -- with a high point of 3 games up -- then lost 9-of-12 to fall 5.5 back. They would end the year in 3rd, 11 games off the pace.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: March 28, 2019 at 10:22 AM (#5826025)
Unsigned guys who are biggish names (and in some cases big players) who were in the majors last year:

Bartolo Colon, Yovani Gallardo, James Shields, Logan Morrison, Brandon Phillips, Jose Reyes, Evan Gattis, Denard Span, Matt Holliday, Jose Bautista, Edwin Jackson, Ryan Madson, AJ Ramos. Most of these guys are probably done as major leaguers.

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