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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 3-30-2020

Washington Times, March 30, 1920:

NEW YORK PLAYERS THREATEN A STRIKE

As a result of a threatened strike on the part of some of the New York Yankees, who demanded more money as their share of the world’s series melon, several may be sold or traded. Derrill Pratt, Bob Shawkey and Roger Peckinpaugh, acting a committee for the players, voiced the demand to Colonel Ruppert and Lieutenant-Colonel Huston, who will make their formal answer tomorrow. It is generally thought that Pratt’s days as a Yankee are ended.

The Yankees received $13,000 from the world’s series profits. This was divided among the players, some of whom now say they should have received $70 apiece more. The committee wanted an immediate answer from the Yankee magnates.

$70 in 1920 is worth around $900 in today’s money. That’s not nothing, but it’s sure a weird hill to die on.

Anyway, Pratt was traded to the Red Sox in the Waite Hoyt deal after the 1920 season. Peckinpaugh got exiled to Boston almost exactly a year to the day after Pratt in a deal for Joe Bush, Sad Sam Jones, and Everett Scott. Shawkey spent the rest of his career with the Yankees, so ownership must have forgiven his involvement.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 30, 2020 at 10:47 AM | 40 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: March 30, 2020 at 10:55 AM (#5934910)
A few very good players on today's Birthday Team, then a whole lot of not much. Van Haltren had as much pitching WAR as the fifth starter, but if I put him in the rotation I wouldn't get to type Jack Lazorko.

Jack Lazorko.

Ed Gremminger is the greatest ballplayer in history who shares a birthplace with me. Which is kind of odd - Canton is a big enough city you'd think somebody would have more than 5.5 WAR. Cy Young was born 35 miles away, Phil Niekro less than 60 miles away, the Delahanty brothers, Urban Shocker, and Sal Bando 50 miles away, George Sisler 15 miles, Thurman Munson 20 miles.

But nope. Ed Gremminger.

C: Josh Bard (3.3 WAR)
1B: Ripper Collins (24.6 WAR)
2B: Hal Rhyne (2.9 WAR)
3B: Ed Gremminger (5.5 WAR)
SS: Alex Bregman (22.4 WAR)
LF: Tom Burns (22.2 WAR)
CF: Jake Marisnick (10.7 WAR)
RF/Spare Pitcher: George Van Haltren (41.3 WAR)

SP: Chris Sale (45.3 WAR)
SP: Dick Fowler (7.5 WAR)
SP: Dick Woodson (3.8 WAR)
SP: Jason Dickson (3.0 WAR)
SP: Jack Lazorko (1.4 WAR)
RP: Dave Baldwin (3.6 WAR)

Manager/Pedro Leaver Inner: Grady Little
Fun name: Bud Sketchley
15 Game Winner: Jeriome Robertson (-2.0 WAR)
   2. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 30, 2020 at 11:02 AM (#5934915)
Is this team all players from either 10 years ago or 110 years ago? Plus the guys named Dick who are obviously mid-century.

Jack Lazorko's BB-ref picture looks like a fun-loving guy. Specifically it looks like John Leguizamo.
   3. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: March 30, 2020 at 11:05 AM (#5934918)
Hey!
Cincinnati Public Radio's production of Rod Serling's Soviet baseball comedy "O'Toole From Moscow" is now up for our listening pleasure after airing its premiere last Wednesday.
   4. Sweatpants Posted: March 30, 2020 at 01:28 PM (#5934967)
Yikes, looks like the battle for best player from my birthplace is between a pair of contemporary sub-100-ERA+ relievers, Will Cunnane and C.J. Nitkowski. Seems appropriate, given that I was a negative-WAR Little Leaguer.

Going by WAR, the winner is Tommy Murphy, an Angels backup outfielder from 2006-07 of whom I have no memory. He hit only .213/.252/.306 but DRS likes his glovework enough to get him into positive WAR.
   5. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: March 30, 2020 at 01:56 PM (#5934974)
The best player born in my birthplace, a suburb of Chicago, is also the only MLBer to graduate from my high school.
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:06 PM (#5934978)
We've had no one from my birth city make the majors, though we did turn out a superstar basketball player, a masturbatory performer and a bigoted Aussie.

   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:43 PM (#5934992)
...a superstar basketball player...


One of my all-time favorite players...
   8. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:48 PM (#5934996)
One of my all-time favorite players...


Definitely my mom's. He made her a basketball fan. She used to send me clips from the local paper about his latest achievement.

   9. PreservedFish Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:50 PM (#5934998)
a superstar basketball player, a masturbatory performer and a bigoted Aussie.


Is this all the same person?
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:55 PM (#5935001)
Is this all the same person?


I wish. It's Elton Brand, Pee Wee Herman and Mel Gibson.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: March 30, 2020 at 02:57 PM (#5935004)
I'm really disappointed.
   12. puck Posted: March 30, 2020 at 03:05 PM (#5935007)
I wondered about Paul Reubens but since you're a Sox fan, I was thinking Newton, MA (and Louis CK). But then I thought how could Newton not have produced a MLB player.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: March 30, 2020 at 05:28 PM (#5935070)
Apparently nobody from my birthhplace has made the majors. One guy from the even smaller town where we lived at that time has made it (maybe he was a home birth) and got to 4.2 WAR. Chicago is what I consider my hometown (moved there when I was 3 ... and it had been my family's hometown except for the 5 years that I was born in the middle of) of course has tons of players. Surprising, to me at least, is that I happened to notice that Belleville has sent quite a few players to the majors but it doesn't seem any of them are any good. Thanks to being a decent-hittnig pitcher, Al Smith seems to take the title with 7.6 WAR over Brian Daubach. (But mainly names I don't recognize so maybe there's a better play in there somewhere.)

And looking at Al Smith (the 30s-40s guy), he had a funny career. He was a solid pitcher in 1940-41 (5.3 pitching WAR) ... who then was a replacement-level war pitcher. Just how bad did you have to be to be replacement level for 42-45?
   14. Starring RMc as Bradley Scotchman Posted: March 30, 2020 at 05:32 PM (#5935073)
bigoted Aussie

Can't speak to the first part, but Mel's an American citizen (and also an Irish citizen, as his mother was born in Ireland). The Aussies consider Gibson a "permanent resident".
   15. JJ1986 Posted: March 30, 2020 at 05:50 PM (#5935077)
Ron Villone and Jack Armstong were born in the same city as me. Villone did not have as good a career as I would have guessed.
   16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:01 PM (#5935081)
Dan already mentioned Munson & Sisler (Akron claims Sisler because Manchester is considered to be a section of Akron rather than a separate town). We also have Gene Woodling and several lesser lights (Bob Knepper, Jack DiLauro, etc)
   17. eric Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:07 PM (#5935086)
Brady Anderson wins my birthplace crown, from an otherwise rather short and undistinguished list. Although one other name that popped out at me, which I hadn't previously known, was Nick Adenhart, who I guess you could say never got the chance to distinguish himself. At least in a good way.

Interestingly, the small city where I actually grew up, and the one I consider my hometown and which is one of the larger cities in the state, has produced zero MLB players by birth. The next town over, which given hospital locations might actually "poach" a lot of potential hometown MLBers, has just a handful, none very notable. The most recent and the most notable is Chris Coghlan, he of 1.1 career WAR (over nine seasons!).
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:11 PM (#5935088)
P.S. we also have a superstar basketball player
   19. puck Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:17 PM (#5935090)
Has this been posted somewhere?

Hardball Times has suspended publishing. There were a lot of BBTF'ers in the launch of this IIRC.
   20. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:40 PM (#5935094)
I’ll take Pete Rose. Had we stayed in Cincy, my public high would have been Western Hills, alma mater of Rose, Don Zimmer, Ed Brinkman, Art Mahaffey, among others.
   21. The Mighty Quintana Posted: March 30, 2020 at 06:53 PM (#5935096)
Well, Belleville produced alt-country legends Uncle Tupelo, so that's pretty darn special!
   22. Gch Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:02 PM (#5935100)
Hardball Times has suspended publishing. There were a lot of BBTF'ers in the launch of this IIRC.


Also Fangraphs' readership has taken a steep nosedive with the season delayed and they've fired "the majority" of their contributors and given pay cuts to everybody left standing.
   23. Sweatpants Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:02 PM (#5935101)
Can't speak to the first part, but Mel's an American citizen (and also an Irish citizen, as his mother was born in Ireland). The Aussies consider Gibson a "permanent resident".
That was the key to cracking the code, though. "Superstar basketball player" has a lot of possible answers, and "masturbatory performer" became clear only in hindsight, but for "bigoted Aussie" I was like, "Hmm, was he really born in the US?"
   24. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:03 PM (#5935102)
The best player from my hometown (which is one of the 50 largest cities in the country) is a respectable active pitcher who won (and, by bWAR, deserved) a Cy Young award. Which isn't bad at all - but the other large city in the state has 5 players with higher bWAR totals, including arguably the greatest MLB catcher ever.
   25. salvomania Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:24 PM (#5935106)
In looking for any MLBers from my birthplace (one), I was shocked to see how many came from Hannibal, MO, population 17,000.

Eight MLB players were born in Hannibal, including HoFer Jake Beckley, and more recently, '90s pitcher Scott Sanders.

The guy from my birthtown (literally, the town where the hospital was, even though we didn't live there) was Bud Byerly, who I'd never heard of but who pitched in the big leagues from 1943-1960, but only in 11 of those 18 seasons.

My boyhood town had a decent smattering of ballplayers who played at the high school and went on to MLB, including Ken Holtzman and Bernard Gilkey.

After we moved just outside Chicago, where I went to high school, one of my classmates was drafted by the KC Royals, and actually did OK in the minors; he was the starting 1B for the AAA Omaha Royals when they had David Cone, Kevin Seitzer, Tom Gordon, et al, and looked poised for maybe at least a cup of coffee in 1986, his age-23 1986 season, during which he put up an .886 OPS, but he cratered in 1987, was sent to AA, then bounced around a couple other organizations before calling it quits.

   26. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:53 PM (#5935111)
That was the key to cracking the code, though. "Superstar basketball player" has a lot of possible answers, and "masturbatory performer" became clear only in hindsight, but for "bigoted Aussie" I was like, "Hmm, was he really born in the US?"


The mother of a friend of mine babysat the Gibsons when they were young, and she didn't realize it was the same Mel Gibson until he mentioned in some interview that he was a native of Peekskill.

I also met the aunt of Paul Reubens (a Mrs. Reubenfeld). Unfortunately for her, the resemblance was striking.

No brushes with Elton, however.

   27. PreservedFish Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:54 PM (#5935112)
Eight MLB players were born in Hannibal, including HoFer Jake Beckley, and more recently, '90s pitcher Scott Sanders.


You missed the most prominent one.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 07:55 PM (#5935113)

The best player from my hometown (which is one of the 50 largest cities in the country) is a respectable active pitcher who won (and, by bWAR, deserved) a Cy Young award. Which isn't bad at all - but the other large city in the state has 5 players with higher bWAR totals, including arguably the greatest MLB catcher ever.


R.A. Dickey?

   29. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 30, 2020 at 08:03 PM (#5935114)
R.A. Dickey?

Nope. (I'm not from Nashville, but also Dickey isn't the best player from Nashville - Noodles Hahn is the bWAR leader at the moment, although Mookie Betts will almost certainly catch and pass him as soon as MLB plays another full season. Oh, and Tim McCarver appears to be the best catcher from Memphis.)
   30. SoSH U at work Posted: March 30, 2020 at 08:10 PM (#5935115)
Dallas Keuchel?

   31. AndrewJ Posted: March 30, 2020 at 08:32 PM (#5935118)
Eight MLB players were born in Hannibal, including HoFer Jake Beckley, and more recently, '90s pitcher Scott Sanders.



You missed the most prominent one.

Of course...
   32. AndrewJ Posted: March 30, 2020 at 08:33 PM (#5935119)
   33. Eric J can SABER all he wants to Posted: March 30, 2020 at 09:09 PM (#5935124)
Dallas Keuchel?

Yup!
   34. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 30, 2020 at 11:02 PM (#5935138)
Local Sports Network station is showing "Classic" Baseball, Phils vs. Cubs in 2014. Nothing about the 2014 Phils screams classic. However, it was the game that Jimmy Rollins broke Mike Schmidt's Phillie hit record. Schmitty was on the broadcast.

Lord I hated Ben Revere as a baseball player. I knew that the Phils were no longer trying when they got him. Here's the play that just cracked me up. Runners on first and second. Batter hits a rocket ground ball that somehow misses Jake Diekman, and goes into center field. Revere comes charging in, fields it cleanly, Rizzo running from second -- Revere winds up and fires a strike to Utley standing on 2B while trying to throw home. I cannot remember a more candy-assed arm, outside of the BBTF softball game. You know who you are. :)
Revere's BA in this mid-June game was .287, not bad you say. His OBP was .302. Thankfully, they did not post his SLG.
   35. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: March 31, 2020 at 01:38 AM (#5935157)
I cannot remember a more candy-assed arm, outside of the BBTF softball game

You must not have seen the last couple of years of Coco Crisp in Oakland. Fun, good, exciting center-fielder in every other way - but could not throw a baseball across the street. Just seemingly dozens of runners going first-to-third on sharp singles to left-center, knowing that even with Crisp's momentum coming toward the throw, he'd still be hitting the cutoff man on a hop. Yeesh.
   36. PreservedFish Posted: March 31, 2020 at 08:49 AM (#5935169)
I've always wondered what guys like Coco Crisp and Johnny Damon and Ben Revere would look like compared to the man on the street. I am fairly sure that I am (or at least was) faster than a certain percentage of baseball players. But I have no feeling for how much better or worse a Crisp would be compared to a solid HS player, for example.
   37. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: March 31, 2020 at 10:36 AM (#5935196)
I know those guys were orders of magnitude better than me in all facets of the game, except for their arms. My arm was my only real talent and I’m convinced that I was an order of magnitude better than theirs. Maybe even two better than Revere.
   38. Hysterical & Useless Posted: March 31, 2020 at 08:20 PM (#5935375)
he BBTF softball game. You know who you are. :)

Hey, I got a bum shoulder!

B-Ref says 5 guys from my hometown made the majors. Two have positive WAR. One of them has 107% of the total WAR accumulated by the 5.
   39. PreservedFish Posted: March 31, 2020 at 09:07 PM (#5935383)
My arm was my only real talent and I’m convinced that I was an order of magnitude better than theirs. Maybe even two better than Revere.


So you're saying you can throw it, what, 800 or maybe even 8,000 mph?
   40. SoSH U at work Posted: April 02, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5935944)
In the absence of a more recent Dugout.

Ed Farmer died yesterday, though not of coronavirus.

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