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Perth Amboy Evening News, April 21, 1921:

Ty Cobb already has an edge in his first fight for a pennant as manager. The boy Ty has picked to mascot the Tigers has six toes on each foot. And baseball players, you know, believe luck camps on each toe of one of these “charms”.

The boy’s name is Joey “Six-Toes” Joslin.
...
Ty’s good luck mascot has but one rival in the big leagues. He is Eddie “Banjo” Bennett, the little hunchback boy who mascotted the White Sox through to a flag in 1919 and last year brought the Brooklyn Dodgers home in front.

As far as I know, we wouldn’t see another sixtoed guy in a big league uniform until Lezcano in 1974.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 07:56 AM | 121 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 07:57 AM (#6014594)

Not a ton of pitching depth on today's Birthday Team, not to mention a three-time Gold Glove third baseman playing out of position. Still, if anyone can win with this roster, it's Joe McCarthy.

C: Ronny Paulino (5.3 WAR)
1B: Ken Caminiti (33.4 WAR)
2B: Dick Green (16.0 WAR)
3B: Fred Hartman (7.4 WAR)
SS: Stan Rojek (5.6 WAR)
LF: Hardy Richardson (41.0 WAR)
CF: Joc Pederson (9.9 WAR)
RF: Al Bumbry (24.5 WAR)

SP: Gary Peters (28.7 WAR)
SP: Kip Wells (8.0 WAR)
SP: Les Lancaster (6.5 WAR)
SP: Lefty Weinert (0.7 WAR)
SP: Jack Brewer (0.2 WAR)
RP: Jesse Orosco (23.2 WAR)

Manager: Joe McCarthy
Fun name: Greg Legg, Bert Hogg, Terry Tiffee
Not that one: Kevin Brown, Ryan Adams

2. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 09:05 AM (#6014598)

SP: Gary Peters (28.7 WAR)

Peters has to be among the least known guys to have lead the league in ERA twice. Unfortunately I have no idea how to look that sort of thing up on PI.

3. Ron J Posted: April 21, 2021 at 09:17 AM (#6014600)

Funny though. In his day Peters was better known for his hitting than that he actually won any ERA crowns. 75 PH appearances.

Very odd. He actually wasn't bad (as a hitter that is) in his rookie season and retained the rep his entire career. Back in the day very few people knew what a pitcher actually hit.

4. Ron J Posted: April 21, 2021 at 09:33 AM (#6014602)

#2 Right. Best I can do is a visual scan of BBRef ERA Season leaders

5. sanny manguillen (was rennie's tenet) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 09:59 AM (#6014608)

Fred Hartman had a BB-Ref minor league career that ran from 1890 to 1907, when he was 42 years old. Just in Pennsylvania, he played for McKeesport, Erie, Wilkes-Barre, Johnstown, Altoona, Braddock, and Harrisburg. He was a Pittsburgh guy, so Braddock and McKeesport were right there, but all these other places you'd have to have a summer residence, find a new one every year. If you had family, you had to leave them back home, if you didn't, why put up with the grind?

6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:09 AM (#6014609)

#2 Right. Best I can do is a visual scan of BBRef ERA Season leaders

Yeah, I did that, and it's over 30 guys. It's a who's who of HoFers for sure. Do people want a quiz?

7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:14 AM (#6014610)

I'm bored anyway, here's the quiz.

Pitcher's who have led the league in ERA more than once (I'm only doing same league, not cross leagues). This was manual, so there might be slight errors.

9 time: one guy
5 times: five guys
4 times: three guys
3 times: 4 guys
twice: 21 guys

Guess away!

8. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:15 AM (#6014611)

#2 Right. Best I can do is a visual scan of BBRef ERA Season leaders

Yeah, I did that, and it's over 30 guys. It's a who's who of HoFers for sure. Do people want a quiz?

I can think of 2 non-HOFers off he top of my head: Guidry (consecutive years) and Mike Garcia

9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:18 AM (#6014614)

I can think of 2 non-HOFers off he top of my head: Guidry (consecutive years) and Mike Garcia

Correct, both two timers, along with Peters. Eyeballing it, looks like 22 of the 34 guys are HoFers.

10. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:26 AM (#6014617)

technically Clemens is a nonHOFer, but...

11. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:27 AM (#6014618)

just remembered--Tiant did it once for the Indians and once for Boston

12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:39 AM (#6014623)

Pretty sure Lefty Grove is the nine-timer. Seaver is also on the list somewhere.

13. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:41 AM (#6014624)

Pitcher's who have led the league in ERA more than once (I'm only doing same league, not cross leagues). This was manual, so there might be slight errors.

There is at least one. There's a six-timer (technically seven, but not in your quiz).

14. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:48 AM (#6014626)

Clemens (5 + 1 NL) and Tiant (2) are correct.

15. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 10:50 AM (#6014627)

Grove is the 9 timer. Seaver is a 3.

There is. There's a six-timer (technically seven, but not in your quiz).

Yup, sorry. Clemens is 6 + 1 NL, not 5 + 1.

16. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:03 AM (#6014628)

Maddux & Randy Johnson are obvious--I think Maddux has 4

17. The Mighty Quintana Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:12 AM (#6014631)

Kershaw for the 4-timer?

18. The Mighty Quintana Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:13 AM (#6014632)

Pedro, also a 4-timer?

19. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:36 AM (#6014638)

Maddux has 4, Johnson has 3 + 1 AL, Pedro has 4, Kershaw 5.

So far we've got:

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw + 3
4: Pedro, Maddux +1
3: Johnson, +3
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, +17

20. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:43 AM (#6014639)

Koufax would be a multiple guy.

And for a non-HoFer from the same city and time frame, how about Chance?

Edit: Chance won just a single title.

21. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:45 AM (#6014640)

Koufax has 5 (in a row), Chance only once (1964).

22. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:48 AM (#6014641)

Carl Hubbell had a few, I think. Let's throw Walter Johnson ands Three-Finger Brown out there, too.

23. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:51 AM (#6014642)

Carl Hubbell had a few, I think. Let's throw Walter Johnson ands Three-Finger Brown out there, too.

Hubbell had 3, W Johnson 5. Brown only one.

24. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6014644)

Whitey Ford had to have won a couple.

25. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:59 AM (#6014645)

Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson.

26. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 11:59 AM (#6014646)

Ford had two.

27. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:00 PM (#6014647)

Steve Carlton, Bob Gibson.

Shockingly, only one each.

28. SoSH U at work Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:00 PM (#6014648)

Shockingly, only one each.

I know. I was stunned.

29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:12 PM (#6014652)

I know. I was stunned.

NL just had soooo many great pitchers in the 60's and 70's.

30. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:24 PM (#6014654)

Dizzy Dean?

EDIT: never mind, zero

31. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:25 PM (#6014655)

I tried Dizzy, how about Dazzy (Vance)?

32. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:28 PM (#6014656)

Did Walter Johnson do it, or did he pitch before they had invented earned runs? If he did it, we need to differentiate between the Johnsons

33. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:30 PM (#6014657)

Pud Galvin?
Guessing Cy Young is like bunting in the 9th of a no-hitter, but someone had to say his name?
Jim Palmer?

34. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:33 PM (#6014658)

[23] Three Finger Brown only had one? Wow, that was one of my guesses.

35. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:44 PM (#6014661)

Vance had two, Palmer had two. Young had one (1901 forward) Galvin's too early.

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, +1 (huge name)
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, +1 (huge name)
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, + 14

36. Michael J. Binkley's anxiety closet Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6014662)

Huge names: Pete Alexander, Warren Spahn (edit: and Christy Mathewson)

Lesser names: Tommy Bond, Rube Waddell (nevermind on these - Bond was 1870's and Waddell's first was in 1900)

37. Mayor Blomberg Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:51 PM (#6014664)

King Felix has to be on that list, no?

38. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:52 PM (#6014665)

Huge names: Pete Alexander, Warren Spahn

Lesser names: Tommy Bond, Rube Waddell

Alexander is the 4, Spahn is the 3. Waddell once, Tommy Bond is too early.

39. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:53 PM (#6014666)

Verlander?
Greinke?
Glavine?

b-ref shows Alexander with 5

40. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:53 PM (#6014667)

King Felix has to be on that list, no?

Felix has two.

41. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:54 PM (#6014668)

Thanks snapper.
And I hope somewhere Gary Peters is fat and happy, and blowing out 84 cake candles today. This is a pretty cool discussion he's started.

42. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:54 PM (#6014669)

Verlander?
Greinke?
Glavine?

Verlander once, Greinke once in each league, so yes, but not in my count. Glavine never.

43. The Mighty Quintana Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:55 PM (#6014670)

5: Bob Feller
3: Catfish Hunter
2: Gaylord Perry, Jim Perry, Vern Law, Newhouser, Saberhagen, Tim Hudson

44. Tyhand7 Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:58 PM (#6014672)

John Denny. Steve Rodgers.

45. Tyhand7 Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6014673)

ok, nevermind. BOth incorrect

46. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 12:59 PM (#6014674)

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, +13
1+1: Greinke

Some hints:

There's one more recent guy. Another is HoFer from the 70's and 80's. There are 6 AL HoFers from before 1950, and 5 NL non-HoFers from before 1950.

47. Tyhand7 Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:00 PM (#6014675)

Blyleven

48. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:00 PM (#6014676)

5: Bob Feller
3: Catfish Hunter
2: Gaylord Perry, Jim Perry, Vern Law, Newhouser, Saberhagen, Tim Hudson

Newhouser is correct. The rest are not.

49. Tyhand7 Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:00 PM (#6014677)

nope

50. vortex of dissipation Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:01 PM (#6014678)

Hoyt Wilhelm had two, one in each league. He led the league in ERA both of the only two times he qualified.

51. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:01 PM (#6014679)

Blyleven

No.

52. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6014680)

Hoyt Wilhelm had two, one in each league.

Yes, he goes with Greinke, but is not in my original #'s.

53. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6014681)

interesting, Pete Alexander's player page has his 1917 era in black ink, but, does not show him as the leader down in the leaderboard area, and not on the yearly list. However, I refuse to believe that there could be an error on a baseball-reference page, lest my whole worldview be shattered. :-)

54. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:03 PM (#6014682)

[43]The Mighty Jose Quintana is not among my guesses, but he just stole one from me: Hal Newhouser.
And Bucky Walters.

55. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:03 PM (#6014683)

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser +12 ( 1 modern HoFer, 1 modern non-Hofer, 5 pre-War AL HoFers, 5 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm

56. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:04 PM (#6014684)

And Bucky Walters.

Yes.

57. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6014685)

Christy Mathewson?

58. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:06 PM (#6014686)

Christy Mathewson?

Yes!!!! He had five. Shocked that took so long.

We've got all the 3+. 12 two-timers left. Three are real tough, and I'll probably have to give you those, but there are still a bunch of huge names.

59. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:08 PM (#6014687)

Did Lincecum get two?

60. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:09 PM (#6014688)

Did Lincecum get two?

No, never. Back-to-back Cy Youngs, and three times in a row for K, but no ERA titles.

61. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:10 PM (#6014689)

Kevin Brown, modern non-Hofer?

Waite Hoyt?
Whitey Ford?

62. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:13 PM (#6014690)

Kevin Brown, modern non-Hofer?

Waite Hoyt?
Whitey Ford?

Ford already said, Hoyt, no. Brown yes! Missed him.

63. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:14 PM (#6014691)

64. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:18 PM (#6014693)

The modern guy also has an NL title, so he's 2+1.

65. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6014694)

Not sure if he has been said, and not sure if he counts as modern, but, how about Gaylord Perry?

66. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6014697)

Is the "modern guy" Roy Halladay? 2 in TOR (2003&2005;?), 1 in PHI(his first year there)?
Chief Bender from the Philly As for pre-war+pre-war?

67. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:28 PM (#6014698)

Not sure if he has been said, and not sure if he counts as modern, but, how about Gaylord Perry?

No.

Is the "modern guy" Roy Halladay? 2 in TOR (2003&2005;?), 1 in PHI(his first year there)?
Chief Bender from the Philly As for pre-war+pre-war?

No.

68. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:30 PM (#6014699)

oh, how about Cliff Lee as the modern non-Hofer? he had a great year with Cleveland, and then had some real good ones with the Phillies(?) I don't think Halladay ever won an era title.

69. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:32 PM (#6014700)

or Mad Max? Though, i don't seem to remember him winning era titles, just Cy Youngs. :-)

70. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:33 PM (#6014701)

Lee once, Scherzer never.

71. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:34 PM (#6014702)

The modern guy also has an NL title, so he's 2+1.

Saberhagen?

72. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:35 PM (#6014704)

David Cone?
Dwight Gooden?
Stieb?

73. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6014705)

David Cone?
Dwight Gooden?
Stieb?

Stieb and Gooden once, Cone never.

Here's a hint both modern pitchers played for the Mets, but not predominantly.

74. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:37 PM (#6014706)

Saberhagen?

Once.

75. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:39 PM (#6014707)

[68] Halladay was a workhorse. You're right, he never won an ERA title, bad guess by me.
But there were long stretches, at times, when he had no-hit stuff from about the fifth pitch. Those years I guessed, 2003, 2005, and his first year in Philly 2010, he just made me sit up and lean in when he took the mound.
King Felix had the same effect.
Cliff Lee, good guess.

76. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:40 PM (#6014708)

Johan Santana.

77. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6014709)

Johan Santana.

Yes.

78. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6014710)

Does Nolan Ryan count as a modern day pitcher and a Met? <ducks>

79. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6014711)

80. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6014712)

Does Nolan Ryan count as a modern day pitcher and a Met? <ducks>

Yes!

81. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:43 PM (#6014713)

Let me throw out a hail mary from the dirty 30s. The Yanks had Murderer's Row lineup, but some sneaky good pitching too. Not Red Ruffing, but I'll toss up Lefty Gomez?

82. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:45 PM (#6014716)

Some hints on the AL HoFers.

One did it twice for the Yankees, one did it twice for the Indians, one did it for the Indians and Senators, two did it twice for the White Sox.

83. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:45 PM (#6014717)

Let me throw out a hail mary from the dirty 30s. The Yanks had Murderer's Row lineup, but some sneaky good pitching too. Not Red Ruffing, but I'll toss up Lefty Gomez?

Yup. Just beat the hint.

84. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:46 PM (#6014718)

White Sox: Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh.

85. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:47 PM (#6014719)

The NL guys were a Giant, a Red, a Pirate, and a Cardinal. I had only heard of one of these guys.

86. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:48 PM (#6014720)

White Sox: Ted Lyons, Ed Walsh.

Walsh yes, Lyons only once at age 41. Another CHW HoFer did it back to back.

87. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:49 PM (#6014721)

88. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6014723)

let's try more pre war AL HOFers...

Rube Waddell
Eddie Plank(?) if i am remembering that name correctly. of course, i may be getting which war pre-war wrong on both of those :-)
Kid Nichols

nevermind! didn't see snapper's hint before i submitted that.

89. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6014725)

Rube Waddell
Eddie Plank(?) if i am remembering that name correctly. of course, i may be getting which war pre-war wrong on both of those :-)
Kid Nichols

Waddell, yes, but not by my definition. I started in 1901, he had one in 1900. Plank and Nichols no.

90. Graham & the 15-win "ARod Vortex of suck" Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:58 PM (#6014727)

Did Dolf Luque lead the league twice in ERA? I know he led the league at least once.

91. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6014728)

I'm guessing Stan Coveleski.
(And only because of snapper's hints. I'd say him at some point, but without hints it would be some time much later this afternoon.)
He won 20 games for the 1925 Senators that went to the World Series, and was good/great before that as an Indian.

92. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:00 PM (#6014729)

Did Dolf Luque lead the league twice in ERA? I know he led the league at least once.

Yes!

I'm guessing Stan Coveleski.

Yes!

93. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:00 PM (#6014730)

94. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:02 PM (#6014732)

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan, Gomez, Welch, Coveleski, Luque +5 (2 pre-War AL HoFers, 3 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
1+1 pre-1901: Waddell

The AL HoFers are a White Sox from the 20's and an Indian from the 1900's.

The NL guys are a Pirate from the 20's a Giant that spanned 20's and 30's, and a Cardinal from the teens and 20's.

95. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6014733)

Cardinal: Bill Doak?

96. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6014734)

And I'm NOT guessing Bob Feller as the two time Indian. Tempting, but no. I know it wasn't him. Maybe if there wasn't a WWII?
(I met Feller once, at Spring Training. Not many people I'd stand in line to meet, but he was one.)

Feller led the league in almost everything else two or more times: W, K, IP, G, GS, WHIP, H/9, K/9, BF.

97. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6014735)

Cardinal: Bill Doak?

Yes! Never heard of him myself.

98. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:05 PM (#6014736)

White Sox: Red Faber?

99. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6014737)

Doak was probably most famous for inventing a "modern" mitt that Rawlings sold (the classic "Bill Doak" model) for like 30 years

100. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:06 PM (#6014739)

White Sox: Red Faber?

Yes!

One more AL HoFer and two NL guys I never heard of.

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