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Wednesday, April 21, 2021
Perth Amboy Evening News, April 21, 1921: Ty Cobb already has an edge in his first fight for a pennant as manager. The boy Ty has picked to mascot the Tigers has six toes on each foot. And baseball players, you know, believe luck camps on each toe of one of these “charms”.
The boy’s name is Joey “Six-Toes” Joslin.
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Ty’s good luck mascot has but one rival in the big leagues. He is Eddie “Banjo” Bennett, the little hunchback boy who mascotted the White Sox through to a flag in 1919 and last year brought the Brooklyn Dodgers home in front.
As far as I know, we wouldn’t see another sixtoed guy in a big league uniform until Lezcano in 1974.
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C: Ronny Paulino (5.3 WAR)
1B: Ken Caminiti (33.4 WAR)
2B: Dick Green (16.0 WAR)
3B: Fred Hartman (7.4 WAR)
SS: Stan Rojek (5.6 WAR)
LF: Hardy Richardson (41.0 WAR)
CF: Joc Pederson (9.9 WAR)
RF: Al Bumbry (24.5 WAR)
SP: Gary Peters (28.7 WAR)
SP: Kip Wells (8.0 WAR)
SP: Les Lancaster (6.5 WAR)
SP: Lefty Weinert (0.7 WAR)
SP: Jack Brewer (0.2 WAR)
RP: Jesse Orosco (23.2 WAR)
Manager: Joe McCarthy
Fun name: Greg Legg, Bert Hogg, Terry Tiffee
Not that one: Kevin Brown, Ryan Adams
Peters has to be among the least known guys to have lead the league in ERA twice. Unfortunately I have no idea how to look that sort of thing up on PI.
Very odd. He actually wasn't bad (as a hitter that is) in his rookie season and retained the rep his entire career. Back in the day very few people knew what a pitcher actually hit.
Yeah, I did that, and it's over 30 guys. It's a who's who of HoFers for sure. Do people want a quiz?
Pitcher's who have led the league in ERA more than once (I'm only doing same league, not cross leagues). This was manual, so there might be slight errors.
9 time: one guy
5 times: five guys
4 times: three guys
3 times: 4 guys
twice: 21 guys
Guess away!
I can think of 2 non-HOFers off he top of my head: Guidry (consecutive years) and Mike Garcia
Correct, both two timers, along with Peters. Eyeballing it, looks like 22 of the 34 guys are HoFers.
There is at least one. There's a six-timer (technically seven, but not in your quiz).
There is. There's a six-timer (technically seven, but not in your quiz).
Yup, sorry. Clemens is 6 + 1 NL, not 5 + 1.
So far we've got:
9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw + 3
4: Pedro, Maddux +1
3: Johnson, +3
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, +17
And for a non-HoFer from the same city and time frame, how about Chance?
Edit: Chance won just a single title.
Hubbell had 3, W Johnson 5. Brown only one.
Shockingly, only one each.
I know. I was stunned.
NL just had soooo many great pitchers in the 60's and 70's.
EDIT: never mind, zero
Guessing Cy Young is like bunting in the 9th of a no-hitter, but someone had to say his name?
Jim Palmer?
9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, +1 (huge name)
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, +1 (huge name)
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, + 14
Lesser names: Tommy Bond, Rube Waddell (nevermind on these - Bond was 1870's and Waddell's first was in 1900)
Lesser names: Tommy Bond, Rube Waddell
Alexander is the 4, Spahn is the 3. Waddell once, Tommy Bond is too early.
Greinke?
Glavine?
b-ref shows Alexander with 5
Felix has two.
And I hope somewhere Gary Peters is fat and happy, and blowing out 84 cake candles today. This is a pretty cool discussion he's started.
Greinke?
Glavine?
Verlander once, Greinke once in each league, so yes, but not in my count. Glavine never.
3: Catfish Hunter
2: Gaylord Perry, Jim Perry, Vern Law, Newhouser, Saberhagen, Tim Hudson
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, +13
1+1: Greinke
Some hints:
There's one more recent guy. Another is HoFer from the 70's and 80's. There are 6 AL HoFers from before 1950, and 5 NL non-HoFers from before 1950.
3: Catfish Hunter
2: Gaylord Perry, Jim Perry, Vern Law, Newhouser, Saberhagen, Tim Hudson
Newhouser is correct. The rest are not.
No.
Yes, he goes with Greinke, but is not in my original #'s.
And Bucky Walters.
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, +1 (huge name)
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser +12 ( 1 modern HoFer, 1 modern non-Hofer, 5 pre-War AL HoFers, 5 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
Yes.
Yes!!!! He had five. Shocked that took so long.
We've got all the 3+. 12 two-timers left. Three are real tough, and I'll probably have to give you those, but there are still a bunch of huge names.
No, never. Back-to-back Cy Youngs, and three times in a row for K, but no ERA titles.
Waite Hoyt?
Whitey Ford?
Waite Hoyt?
Whitey Ford?
Ford already said, Hoyt, no. Brown yes! Missed him.
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters +12 (1 modern HoFer, 1 modern non-Hofer, 5 pre-War AL HoFers, 4 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
Chief Bender from the Philly As for pre-war+pre-war?
No.
Is the "modern guy" Roy Halladay? 2 in TOR (2003&2005;?), 1 in PHI(his first year there)?
Chief Bender from the Philly As for pre-war+pre-war?
No.
Saberhagen?
Dwight Gooden?
Stieb?
Dwight Gooden?
Stieb?
Stieb and Gooden once, Cone never.
Here's a hint both modern pitchers played for the Mets, but not predominantly.
Once.
But there were long stretches, at times, when he had no-hit stuff from about the fifth pitch. Those years I guessed, 2003, 2005, and his first year in Philly 2010, he just made me sit up and lean in when he took the mound.
King Felix had the same effect.
Cliff Lee, good guess.
Yes.
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan +9 (5 pre-War AL HoFers, 4 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
Yes!
One did it twice for the Yankees, one did it twice for the Indians, one did it for the Indians and Senators, two did it twice for the White Sox.
Yup. Just beat the hint.
Walsh yes, Lyons only once at age 41. Another CHW HoFer did it back to back.
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan, Gomez, Welch +7 (3 pre-War AL HoFers, 4 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
Rube Waddell
Eddie Plank(?) if i am remembering that name correctly. of course, i may be getting which war pre-war wrong on both of those :-)
Kid Nichols
nevermind! didn't see snapper's hint before i submitted that.
Eddie Plank(?) if i am remembering that name correctly. of course, i may be getting which war pre-war wrong on both of those :-)
Kid Nichols
Waddell, yes, but not by my definition. I started in 1901, he had one in 1900. Plank and Nichols no.
(And only because of snapper's hints. I'd say him at some point, but without hints it would be some time much later this afternoon.)
He won 20 games for the 1925 Senators that went to the World Series, and was good/great before that as an Indian.
Yes!
I'm guessing Stan Coveleski.
Yes!
(I met Feller once, at Spring Training. Not many people I'd stand in line to meet, but he was one.)
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan, Gomez, Welch, Coveleski, Luque +5 (2 pre-War AL HoFers, 3 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
1+1 pre-1901: Waddell
The AL HoFers are a White Sox from the 20's and an Indian from the 1900's.
The NL guys are a Pirate from the 20's a Giant that spanned 20's and 30's, and a Cardinal from the teens and 20's.
(I met Feller once, at Spring Training. Not many people I'd stand in line to meet, but he was one.)
Feller led the league in almost everything else two or more times: W, K, IP, G, GS, WHIP, H/9, K/9, BF.
Yes! Never heard of him myself.
Yes!
One more AL HoFer and two NL guys I never heard of.
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