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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-21-2021

Perth Amboy Evening News, April 21, 1921:

Ty Cobb already has an edge in his first fight for a pennant as manager. The boy Ty has picked to mascot the Tigers has six toes on each foot. And baseball players, you know, believe luck camps on each toe of one of these “charms”.

The boy’s name is Joey “Six-Toes” Joslin.
...
Ty’s good luck mascot has but one rival in the big leagues. He is Eddie “Banjo” Bennett, the little hunchback boy who mascotted the White Sox through to a flag in 1919 and last year brought the Brooklyn Dodgers home in front.

As far as I know, we wouldn’t see another sixtoed guy in a big league uniform until Lezcano in 1974.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 07:56 AM | 121 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:07 PM (#6014740)
9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan, Gomez, Welch, Coveleski, Luque, Doak, Faber +3 (1 pre-War AL HoFers, 2 NL pre-War non-HoFers).
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
1+1 pre-1901: Waddell

The AL HoFer is an Indian from the 1900's.

The NL guys are a Pirate from the 20's and a Giant that spanned 20's and 30's.
   102. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:07 PM (#6014741)
If you look up "Bill Doak mitt" you'll see tons of versions on collectibles sites---they were hugely popular back in the day
   103. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:09 PM (#6014742)
found the Pirate and Giant. Never heard of either of them either.

   104. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:10 PM (#6014743)
If you look up "Bill Doak mitt" you'll see tons of versions on collectibles sites---they were hugely popular back in the day

Learn something new every day!
   105. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:11 PM (#6014744)
Vic Willis?

edit: just guessing now. trying to think of HOFers that pitched in the 1900s
   106. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:11 PM (#6014745)
I guessed the Pirate and I looked it up to see if I was right and I was (sort of, I had the wrong first name; the guy whose first name I thought of has the same last name as the old Pirate, and is a CURRENTLY ACTIVE starting pitcher), but since I looked it up I don't feel right posting
   107. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:11 PM (#6014746)
Vic Willis?

Just once, and pre-1900.
   108. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:12 PM (#6014747)
The AL HoFer is known for a very short career. 9 seasons only.

Also the career WHIP leader, on BRef.
   109. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6014748)
oh lord

Addie Joss
   110. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6014749)
Well, I know the Indian isn't Bob Feller, and I already whiffed with Cy Young. So that leaves one guess: the player who was honored with the first "All Star" game.

I've also never heard of Bill Doak.
   111. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6014750)
and 2nd lowest career era, i believe
   112. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:16 PM (#6014751)

Addie Joss


Yup!

The NL guys are unguessable IMHO. Ray Kremer '26-'27, Bill Walker '29 and '31

Final list

9: Grove
6: Clemens
5: Kershaw, W Johnson, Koufax, Mathewson
4: Pedro, Maddux, Alexander
3: R. Johnson, Seaver, Hubbell, Spahn
2: Guidry, Tiant, Garcia, Peters, Ford, Palmer, Vance, F. Hernandez, Newhouser, K. Brown, Walters, J. Santana, Ryan, Gomez, Welch, Coveleski, Luque, Doak, Faber, Joss, Kremer, Walker.
1+1: Greinke, Wilhelm
1+1 pre-1901: Waddell
   113. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:16 PM (#6014752)
I've also never heard of Bill Doak.

From Wikipedia:
Doak made his most lasting contribution to baseball by innovating the design of the baseball glove. In 1920, he suggested to Rawlings that a web should be laced between the first finger and thumb, saying it would create a natural pocket.[3] The Bill Doak glove soon replaced all other baseball gloves and is the standard to this day.
   114. JJ1986 Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:17 PM (#6014753)
sort of, I had the wrong first name; the guy whose first name I thought of has the same last name as the old Pirate, and is a CURRENTLY ACTIVE starting pitcher
This must be old Whitey Syndergaard.
   115. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:18 PM (#6014754)
Ray Kremer '26-'27,

Dean Kremer is currently a SP for the Orioles (no relation as far as I can tell)
   116. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:20 PM (#6014755)
Honorable mention should go to Silver King. Not only is that a great name, but, he led two different major leagues in ERA, and neither exists any longer (AA and the only Player's League era champ)
   117. Snowboy Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6014759)
[113] salvomania, that's cool. Strong guess! I think I'd heard of a Bill Doak model baseball glove, but I didn't know it was named after a player.
   118. salvomania Posted: April 21, 2021 at 02:56 PM (#6014762)
Honorable mention should go to Silver King.

I actually published a blurb on Silver King, on his birthday:
Born 153 years ago today, Silver King was the ace of the 1888 American Association Champion St. Louis Browns, putting up insane numbers in an era when an ace pitcher would finish almost every start.

In 1888 King started 64 (47%) of the Browns’ 137 games, and completed all 64 of them, throwing a league-leading 584-2/3 innings. His record was 45-20 for the 92-43 Browns, who lost in the 10-game postseason barnstorming tour against the National League Champion New York Giants, six games to four games. King won just one of his five starts in the series, but only 9 of the 23 runs scored against him were earned so maybe he can blame it on the defense.

His 1888 season, when he was just 20 years old, was the pinnacle of King’s career; he won another 35 games in ’89 (in 53 starts), and the next year jumped to the Chicago Pirates in the upstart Players League (which lasted just one season). He pitched with decreasing effectiveness (and fewer and fewer innings) over the next several seasons in the National League with the Pittsburgh Pirates, Giants, Reds, and Senators, and was out of major-league baseball before his 30th birthday. Which was probably fine with him, because he feuded with almost every team he played on—often about money—and had a successful business in St. Louis as a contractor to fall back on.
   119. Perry Posted: April 21, 2021 at 03:07 PM (#6014763)
Doak was probably most famous for inventing a "modern" mitt that Rawlings sold (the classic "Bill Doak" model) for like 30 years


And if you're wondering what was so "modern" about it -- Bill Doak invented webbing between the thumb and index finger. Before that the thumb and fingers were unconnected, you had to catch everything in the palm. Pretty significant innovation, no?
   120. Walt Davis Posted: April 21, 2021 at 06:31 PM (#6014812)
Now if only somebody would make the Davis mitt -- just three finger slots with enough room in the last for the 3rd and 4th fingers. Gives more room for a pocket too.

EDIT: And of course the first finger slot is only there to give you someplace to rest your index finger outside the glove.
   121. Cooper Nielson Posted: April 22, 2021 at 11:54 AM (#6014923)
Here's an interesting fact about Gary Peters: He won the Rookie of the Year award in his 5th major-league season. He pitched 21 innings over his first 4 years.

1959: 2 G, 1.0 IP
1960: 2 G, 3.1 IP
1961: 3 G, 10.1 IP
1962: 5 G, 6.1 IP

1963: 41 G (30 GS), 243 IP, ERA title, 104 OPS+, 7.0 WAR (#2 in AL), Rookie of the Year, #8 in MVP
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