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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 4-25-2019

Pittsburgh Press, April 25, 1919:

Tincup Signs With Two Teams

Pitcher Ben Tincup, formerly with the Philadelphia Nationals, reported to the Louisville American association club yesterday. Tincup was a free agent and accepted terms of both the Louisville and Little Rock clubs. For this reason he cannot play until his case is acted on by the National commission.

I’m not an expert in contract law, but I think it’s generally frowned upon to sign contracts to play for two teams at the same time.

Little Rock had plenty of motivation to make sure they got Tincup - he threw a perfect game for them in 1917 - but he wound up with Louisville and spent the next dozen years with the Colonels.

(Hat tip to Paul Proia for his excellent biography of Tincup.)

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 09:51 AM | 36 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 09:52 AM (#5835191)
A solid Birthday Team today. One of the greatest shortstops who ever lived, an OBP machine who can play anywhere, and a stack of cromulent pitching.

C: Erik Pappas (0.4 WAR)
1B: Joe Hague (1.9 WAR)
2B: Jimmy Brown (8.6 WAR)
3B/Manager: Fred Haney (9.4 WAR)
SS: Pop Lloyd (0 WAR, Negro Leagues legend)
LF: Tony Phillips (50.9 WAR)
CF: Bobby Estalella (14.1 WAR)
RF: Jacque Jones (11.6 WAR)

SP: Russ Ford (33.9 WAR)
SP: Connie Marrero (8.5 WAR)
SP: J.P. Howell (7.9 WAR)
SP: Bob Johnson (6.4 WAR)
SP: Trevor Williams (5.9 WAR)
RP: Darren Holmes (7.3 WAR)
RP: Ken Tatum (6.4 WAR)

Owner: Drew Baur
Broadcasters: Joe Buck, Larry Osterman
Eephus thrower: Kazuhito Tadano (0.3 WAR)
Fun names: Belve Bean, Snipe Conley, Jake Freeze
Manager/infielder in Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame: Yukio Nishimoto
Never played for the Cardinals: Red Bird
Umpires: Bill Grieve, Ed Vargo
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 25, 2019 at 10:08 AM (#5835195)
Trevor Rosenthal pitched one inning of mop-up relief for the Nats yesterday, allowing three earned runs. His ERA went down.
   3. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:24 AM (#5835236)
Rosenthal apparently doesn't have any options left, so sending him to the minors would require a DFA/outright. He'd almost have to clear waivers, right? Who could possibly be interested in paying him the rest of his $8M this season? And if someone did, would the Nats be upset about that?

Obviously I don't know the guy and can't speak to his mental state, but it can't be healthy for him to try to battle the yips with tens of thousands of people staring at him. This feels like something that might require the sort of thing the Jays did with a young Roy Halladay: Send him to the low minors and let him work it out with the understanding that he's a valued member of the organization and will be back as soon as it's appropriate.
   4. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:48 AM (#5835246)
Eephus thrower: Kazuhito Tadano (0.3 WAR)
You're really gonna go with that as Kaz Tadano's "fact of note," or is that some sort of metaphor I haven't heard?
   5. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 11:53 AM (#5835248)
Rosenthal has faced *21 batters* in 2.0 innings. That is almost unbelievable, except for that it has happened.

He's allowed 15 baserunners (5 hits, 8 walks, 2 hbp) out of those 21, and thrown in two wild pitches to boot.
   6. Tom Nawrocki Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:10 PM (#5835258)

He's allowed 15 baserunners (5 hits, 8 walks, 2 hbp) out of those 21, and thrown in two wild pitches to boot.


Those numbers are from before yesterday's game. He did manage to get three Rockies out, but he also gave up two hits and a walk, hit a guy with a pitch, and threw three wild pitches.

So now he's up to 28 batters faced (in three innings), with these results: nine walks, nine batters retired, seven hits, three hit by pitch. On the bright side, the seven hits have all been singles.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:11 PM (#5835260)
SP: Russ Ford (33.9 WAR)

What a weird career. 34 WAR and 23 WAA in 5 seasons between age 27-31, and nothing else.

Apparently invented scuffing the ball with an emery board. The banning of that pitch, and arm trouble, ended his career early.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:25 PM (#5835264)
Those numbers are from before yesterday's game. He did manage to get three Rockies out, but he also gave up two hits and a walk, hit a guy with a pitch, and threw three wild pitches.
But it's not full-blown Blass/Ankiel, right? Have we seen pitchers before with a milder version of the yips, where they're putting up lines like this but not throwing the ball to the backstop on a regular basis? I forget, did Wohlers go full-blown yips?
   9. PreservedFish Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:29 PM (#5835266)
It stands to reason that the yips must exist on a spectrum. We are probably seeing very mild cases of the yips all the time.
   10. Der-K: at 10% emotional investment Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:30 PM (#5835268)
4: I see what you did there.
   11. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:45 PM (#5835277)
It stands to reason that the yips must exist on a spectrum. We are probably seeing very mild cases of the yips all the time.
I'm not so sure, which is why I asked (he says, stating the obvious). It seems on first impression like most of the data would indicate that the yips is more binary - "had it, then lost it." If it's something that "breaks" in a player's psyche, you could argue that it probably wouldn't exist on a spectrum. Curious to hear what other people think and/or other examples.
   12. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:53 PM (#5835280)
You're really gonna go with that as Kaz Tadano's "fact of note," or is that some sort of metaphor I haven't heard?
Yeah, I know what you're saying, but I didn't want to shame the guy for needing money as a young man and/or doing stuff like that in his private life.

But an eephus is a celebration of everything cool about baseball.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: April 25, 2019 at 12:59 PM (#5835284)
In baseball people like to pretend that nobody is ever affected by pressure except for the rare and famous cases, but I believe that in golf everyone acknowledges that the yips happen from time to time, and to lesser and greater extents, and that they come and go.
   14. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:04 PM (#5835286)
I forget, did Wohlers go full-blown yips?
I seemed to recall his yips being catastrophically bad, and an excerpt from this article confirms that:
But earlier this year, Wohlers suddenly lost his ability to throw strikes -- a shortcoming akin to a writer unable to use verbs -- and as the summer has gone on and he has twice been demoted to the minor leagues, his control has only become increasingly erratic, his appearances sprinkled with pitches that bounce in front of the plate or soar to the backstop.

He went on the disabled list with "inability to pitch", which is an extremely accurate description, but may not appear in the ICD-10 for medical coders.

On the other hand, there are medical codes for "burn due to water skis on fire", "sucked into jet engine, follow-up visit", "spacecraft collision injuring occupant", and "bizarre personal appearance". So it's entirely possible that inability to pitch is a recognized medical condition.
   15. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:11 PM (#5835287)
On the other hand, there are medical codes for "burn due to water skis on fire", "sucked into jet engine, follow-up visit", "spacecraft collision injuring occupant", and "bizarre personal appearance".
And that's just from Keith Richards' file.
   16. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:18 PM (#5835290)
Dock Ellis and then Bob Johnson started the first two games of the 1971 World Series for the Pirates. The Orioles knocked them around, running their winning streak to 16 games. Danny Murtaugh moved on to four new starting pitchers in Games 3-6 before coming back with Blass in Game 7. (Blass mentioned twice in this thread, and it's not his birthday). Ellis didn't pitch again in the Series, Johnson threw 1.2 innings in Game 6.
   17. KJOK Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:25 PM (#5835294)
But it's not full-blown Blass/Ankiel, right? Have we seen pitchers before with a milder version of the yips, where they're putting up lines like this but not throwing the ball to the backstop on a regular basis? I forget, did Wohlers go full-blown yips?


Yes, Wohlers. Also Don Carman of 1989 Phillies was able to at least come back for 1 more year of pitching, even if it wasn't good pitching.
   18. KJOK Posted: April 25, 2019 at 01:27 PM (#5835295)
He'd almost have to clear waivers, right? Who could possibly be interested in paying him the rest of his $8M this season? And if someone did, would the Nats be upset about that?

Even if the Rosenthal comeback had worked out well, the best outcome wasn't going to be anything more than a 12th man on the staff. Seem weird to not just cut and replace him at this point.
   19. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:26 PM (#5835325)
four new starting pitchers in Games 3-6

I'm going to guess... Bruce Kison.. and then the only other Pirate pitcher I can think of from '71 is Dave Giusti, who was the bullpen ace...

My lack of recall could be a troubling sign of early-onset dementia.

EDIT: D'oh, of course, Blass, who was mentioned for Game 7. But still, two more starters...
   20. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:31 PM (#5835327)
I'm going to guess... Bruce Kison.. and then the only other Pirate pitcher I can think of from '71 is Dave Giusti, who was the bullpen ace...

John Candelaria?
   21. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5835328)
But still, two more starters...

OK, I didn't have the patience to think of who they might be, so I looked it up, and one of the guys I can't believe I missed: he was the only active player from my childhood with whom I shared a birthday, and he was a former Cardinal who also was the former owner of my best friend's house in University City.
   22. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:33 PM (#5835329)
No, Candelaria was later than '71. Maybe Bob Moose?
   23. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5835330)
I think Bob Veale was still around then.

Gotta be Bob something.
   24. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:34 PM (#5835331)
The final starter was the second active player who I remember dying (the first was Clemente).
   25. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:36 PM (#5835332)
That would be Bob Moose. RIP.

Amazing archive of Bob Moose pics
   26. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:37 PM (#5835337)
I think Bob Veale was still around then.

Veale was still active, not as a starter though. His '71 line was very weird: 6-0, with a 6.99 ERA, and a 3.68 FIP.
   27. The usual palaver and twaddle (Met Fan Charlie) Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:41 PM (#5835338)
Yankees purchase Cameron Maybin from Cleveland.
   28. salvomania Posted: April 25, 2019 at 02:52 PM (#5835342)
Amazing archive of Bob Moose pics

That is great!

My favorite is the photo of Moose---still in uniform!---exiting Memorial Stadium after Game 7 of the 1971 series, suit in hand, along with Bruce Kison (changed into street clothes), as they're about to jump in a helicopter to rush to Kison's wedding (Moose was best man).
   29. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: April 25, 2019 at 03:02 PM (#5835345)
Bob Moose has been described as the best encapsulation of how a typical baseball player looked from the mid-60s to the mid-70s. He got less clean-cut every year.
   30. VCar Posted: April 25, 2019 at 03:03 PM (#5835346)
As a young APBA player, my first set was '76 andit was my intro to Bob Moose. He had the weirdest card in the set - a grade D pitcher (which is the worst) but a great hitting card. He had 10 values of "6" on a 36-slot card, which is a sure double and possibly a triple or HR depending on where men were on base. Impervious to even the best pitchers in the league. Back then, we used him as an everyday DH. Just looked at his hitting stats that year: 3-for-12, with 1 single, 1 triple and 1 HR. And of course we had no idea he died right after the season.
   31. Rennie's Tenet Posted: April 25, 2019 at 03:32 PM (#5835362)
Games 3 through 7 went Blass-Luke Walker (who could not hit)-Nellie Briles-Moose-Blass. Kison was the long reliever for Walker, who didn't survive the first inning in Game 4.
   32. Bote Man Posted: April 25, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5835408)
Dan Lee your scoreboard thingy domain (at the top of OMNICHATTER) has been hijacked by a Chinese sports bet house.
   33. Bote Man Posted: April 25, 2019 at 07:21 PM (#5835486)
Never mind. I was using an obviously outdated link from my browser's Bookmarks. Apologies.

I will now resume drinking heavily while watching the Nationals' bullpen implode yet again.
   34. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 25, 2019 at 07:33 PM (#5835491)
I will now resume drinking heavily while watching the Nationals' bullpen implode yet again

It’s an off day for the Nationals.
   35. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: April 25, 2019 at 09:36 PM (#5835505)
It’s an off day for the Nationals.
When the Nationals are off, Bote drinks heavily while watching video of past Nationals' bullpen implosions. We think he may have a problem.
   36. The Yankee Clapper Posted: April 25, 2019 at 10:21 PM (#5835514)
The Nationals are calling up top prospect infielder Carter Kieboom (pronounced key-BOOM). Saw quite a bit of him at Nationals Spring Training - he appeared to be a Major League hitter, but the defense was a work in progress, at best.

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