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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-17-2021

Rock Island Argus, May 17, 1921:

When Everett Scott, captain of the Red Sox, takes the field against the Browns at St. Louis today, he will have participated in 700 consecutive American league games…Scott started his record June 20, 1916, and has not been out of the Red Sox lineup at shortstop since.
...
Fred Luderus of the Philadelphia Nationals, who in 1919 completed 533 consecutive games, held the previous modern record for continuous play…

Meanwhile, Henry Louis Gehrig was on the verge of graduating from Commerce High School and heading off to Columbia University.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:47 PM | 73 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:49 PM (#6019126)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but that center fielder is a keeper. Just don't give Perez the keys to the team bus.

Carlos Pena is the all-time leader in Wins Above Replacement among former Wright State Raiders, ahead of Brian Anderson and Joe Smith. Robert Pollard leads all WSU ballplayers in Albums Above Replacement.

C: Wiki Gonzalez (1.5 WAR)
1B: Carlos Pena (25.5 WAR)
2B: Lou Chiozza (1.9 WAR)
3B: Harry Riconda (-0.5 WAR)
SS: Leo Norris (-0.9 WAR)
LF: Carlos May (10.5 WAR)
CF: Cool Papa Bell (0.0 WAR)
RF: Jose Guillen (6.4 WAR)

SP: Hal Carlson (26.0 WAR)
SP: Billy Hoeft (20.7 WAR)
SP: Pascual Perez (18.9 WAR)
SP: Elmer Steele (4.5 WAR)
SP: Greg Mathews (3.4 WAR)
RP: Rube Vickers (2.9 WAR)

Owner: Del Webb
Fun name: Porfi Altamirano
Pro Football Hall of Famer: Ace Parker
   2. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:53 PM (#6019130)
TRIVIA QUESTION:

All 30 current franchises have a career leader for most batter ks with the franchise. Can you name any of the hitters who lead each franchise in Ks? (looking for overall numbers, not single season record holders).
   3. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:55 PM (#6019134)
Ortiz for BOS?
   4. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:57 PM (#6019135)
Edgar Martinez for SEA?
   5. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:58 PM (#6019136)
#3 - Nope. Ortiz isn't #1 with the Red Sox. Ortiz ranks 3rd in Red Sox franchise history, with 1411 Ks. (Though that would lead 18 different franchises).
   6. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6019138)
#4 - Nope. Edgar is #2 with the Mariners.
   7. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:03 PM (#6019140)
Konerko CHW?
Miggy DET?
Votto CIN?
   8. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6019142)
#7:
Konerko? DING! 1,349 with the CWS. Ranks #18 among franchise leaders.

Cabrera? DING! 1,246 with Detroit (as of a few days ago anyway). Ranks #21 among franchise leaders.

Votto? DING! 1,379 with Cincy (again, as of a few days ago - too lazy to look up today's stats). Ranks 14th among franchise leaders.
   9. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:12 PM (#6019146)
Mantle for NYY, Rice for BOS?, Jackson for OAK?
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:13 PM (#6019147)
Aaron for the Braves? Just on volume of PA.
   11. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6019148)
Let's try:

Sandberg CHC

Goldschmidt ARI

Strawberry NYM
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6019149)
Schmidt for PHI, Stargell for PIT, Killebrew for MIN, Banks for CHC.
   13. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:19 PM (#6019153)
Longoria for TB

Helton COL

Bagwell HOU
   14. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6019156)
#9 - Mantle? Nope. He's #2 there.
Rice? Nope. He's #2 with them.
Reggie? DING! He had 1,226 Ks with Oakland. That's the 23rd most for a franchise leader. (15th most among the 16 pre-expanion franchises)>

#10 - Aaron? Nope. He's #5 with the Braves.

#11 - Sandberg? Nope. #3 in franchise history
Goldschmidt? DING! He fanned 1,059 times in Arizona. That ranks 29th among franchises leaders. (One club has never had a guy get under 1,000 Ks. Care to guess what franchise?)
Strwaberry? Nope. He's #2 with the Mets.

#12:
Schmidt? DINGG! 1,881 Ks w/ PHI. 2nd most for any franchise leader.
Stargell? DING! 1,936 w/ PIT. The most any player ever had with one franchise.
Killebrew? DING! 1,629 w/ WAS/MIN. 7th most for any franchise leader.
Banks? Nope. #4 with the Cubs

8 named. 22 to name. Among those left to name are four Hall of Famers. And a helluva lotta players from the 21st century.
   15. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6019157)
#13:
Longoria? DING! 1,220 with Tampa. 24th most of any franchise leader.
Helton? DING! 1,175 with Colorado. 26th most of any franchise leader.
Bagwell? Nope. Really close, but not Bagwell.
   16. mathesond Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6019158)
A bit of a longshot, but Tony Fernandez for Toronto?
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:23 PM (#6019159)
Yaz.
   18. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:25 PM (#6019161)
Bautista with Toronto.
Goldschmidt? DING! He fanned 1,059 times in Arizona. That ranks 29th among franchises leaders. (One club has never had a guy get under 1,000 Ks. Care to guess what franchise?)


You mean over. I'm guessing it's either the Padres or Marlins. I'll say Klesko for the Padres, Conine for the Marlins.

   19. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:26 PM (#6019162)
#16
Tony Fernandez? Nope . He's not even in the top ten. #1 for Toronto is a much-more conventional #1. He's a big slugger.

#17
Yaz? Nope Youz have named #2, #3, and #4 with Boston, but not #1. #1, as it happens, never received much support from the BBWAA for The Hall of Famers, though he sure has his backes areound here.
   20. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:27 PM (#6019163)
#18
Yeah - sorry about the miswording.
You're right - it's one of the those two franchises. But Klesko isn't SDP's leader and Conine isn't MIA's leader.
   21. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:28 PM (#6019164)
Royals - Alex Gordon.

#1, as it happens, never received much support from the BBWAA for The Hall of Famers, though he sure has his backes areound here.


Ah, Dewey.
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6019165)
OK, how about Hanley for Miami, Gwynn for SD (he didn't K much, but no one else played there for very long).

   23. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:29 PM (#6019166)
Dwight Evans for Sox
Jim Thome for Indians
Rob Deer for Brewers

   24. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6019168)
Brewers has to be Braun.

   25. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6019170)
Sammy Sosa for the Cubs
Barry Bonds for the Giants
   26. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:34 PM (#6019171)
Andruw Jones for ATL?

Ryan Braun for MIL?

Ripken for BAL?
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:34 PM (#6019172)
#21
ALex Gordon? DING! 1,535 with KC. #10 among franchise leaders.
Dwight Evans? DING! 1,643 w/ BOX. 6th most among franchise leaders.

#22
Gwynn? Nope. Not even in the top 10. The man didn't strike out.

#23
THome? DING! 1,400 with CLE. 13th most for a franchise leader.
Deer? Nope. #7 with the franchise. Didn't last long enough.

13 down. 17 to go.

Teams I haven't seen guessed yet: BAL, STL, SFG, ANA, WSN, LAD, TEX. Maybe one or two were guessed - not gonna go back and check right now. Others not named yet: NYY, CHC, HOU, ATL, SEA, MIL, NYM, TOR, MIA, SDP.
   28. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:35 PM (#6019174)
Ryan Zimmerman for the Nats
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:36 PM (#6019176)
Chipper with the Braves
Yadi with the Cards?
Salmon with the Angels
Zimmerman with the Nats

   30. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:37 PM (#6019178)
#24
Braun? DING! 1,363 with MIL. #16 among franchise leaders.

#25 -
Sosa for Cubs? DING! 1,815. #4 among franchise leaders.
Bonds wtih Giants? Nope. He's #7

#26
JOnes? NOpe
Ripken? Nope.

15 mentioned. I'll post a leaderboard wih named people in a little bit.
   31. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:41 PM (#6019179)
Through post #26:

Franchise leaders (numbers might be a day or two out of date for active players:
1. Willie Stargell, PIT, 1936. Snapper
2. Mike Schmidt, PHI, 1883. Snapper
3. _____ NYY, 1840
4. Sammy Sosa, CHC, 1815. Nawrocki
5. _____, HOU, 1753
6. Dwight Evans, BOX, 1643, SoSH
7. Harmon Killebrew, MIN, 1629, Snapper
8. ____, ATL, 1581
9. ______, BAL, 1550
10. Alex Gordon, KCR, 1535, SoSH
11. ______, STL, 1469
12. ______, SFG, 1436
13. Jim Thome, CLE, 1400. Mighty Quintana.
14. Joey Votto, CIN, 1379. Ziggy.
15. ______, SEA, 1375
16. Ryan Braun, SEP, 1363. SoSH
17. ______, ANA, 1361
18. Paul Konerko, CWS, 1349. Ziggy
19. ______, DCN, 1324
20. ______, NYM, 1292
21. Miguel Cabrera, DET, 1246, Ziggy
22. ______, TOR, 1242
23. Mr. October, OAK, 1226. Snapper
24. Even Longoria, TBR, 1220. Zippy
25. ______, LAD 1179 (lowest for any pre-expansion franchise)
26. Todd Helton, COL, 1175, Ziggy
27. ______, TX, 1152
28. ______, MIA, 1140
29. Paul Goldschmit, AZ, 1059. Ziggy
30. ______, SDP, 864
   32. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6019180)
Ruth, NYY
Ripken, BAL
McCovey, SFG
   33. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6019181)
#28
Zimmerman for the Nats? DING! 1,324.

#29
Chipper? Nope
Molina? Nope
Salmon? DING! 1,360 - #17 among leaders.

17 down, 13 to go.
   34. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6019184)
Probably Mantle for the Yankees. Let's try Carlos Delgado for Toronto.
   35. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:45 PM (#6019185)
Delgado for Toronto?
   36. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6019186)
If it's not Bagwell, it's got to be one of the other Bs. Biggio?
   37. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6019187)
Jeter for yankees.
   38. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6019188)
Seager for the M's?
   39. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6019189)
Ray Lankford for cardinals.
   40. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:50 PM (#6019190)
David Wright for Mets
   41. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:51 PM (#6019191)
Duke Snider for Dodgers.
   42. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:51 PM (#6019192)
Stanton for MIA
   43. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6019193)
#32
All nopes


#34-
Mantle arleady an incorrect guess
Delgado? DING!

#36
Biggio? DING!

#37
Jeter? DING!

#38
Seager? Nope

#39
Lankford? Nope

#40
Wright? DING!

HINTS

Braves: Not as far back as Hank Aaron, but further back than all other guesses for this club so far.
Orioles: Just think of Ks per PA. Not the most PA, but wow did he ever K a in a lot of them.
Cardinals: One of the longest held team-K records/ Not a slugger, but he K'd a lot anyway.
Giants: The single longest-lasted held team record of all 30 franchises. Wow, don't overthink this one.
Mariners: Not Edgar, but from that period.
Dodgers: Wait -what? Really? This guy? This guy is their franchise leader in Ks? Really? (Eh - a 21st century player who had a nice peak)
Rangers: Name some long-lasting Rangers
Marlins: No one lasts long with this franchise, but who took the most big swings there?
Padres: Well, an appropraite first name for a guy who K'd the most.
   44. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6019195)
#41 -
Nope. The answer for the Dodgers is the weirdest of any team. But take that approach and apply it to the Giants and Cards and see what you get.

#42 -
Stanton? DING!

   45. Mefisto Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:56 PM (#6019196)
Mays
   46. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6019198)
Dale Murphy for the Braves
Chris Davis for the O's
Lou Brock for the Cards

Padres: Well, an appropraite first name for a guy who K'd the most.


Whiff Roberts?
   47. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6019199)
#45
Mays? DING! Still #1 in Ks all-time for the Giants.

   48. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:59 PM (#6019200)
Ted Simmons cards?

edit: Ignore that. It's embarrassing guess.
   49. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 02:59 PM (#6019202)
Shawn Green for the Dodgers?
   50. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:00 PM (#6019204)
#46
Murphy? DING!
Chris Davis? DING!
Lou Brock? DING!

That leaves .. Mariners, Dodgers, Rangers, Paders.

Has there even been a Rangers guess yet? I don't recall one.
   51. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:00 PM (#6019205)
Jay Buhner for the Mariners
   52. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:01 PM (#6019206)
Juan Gonzalez for the Rangers
   53. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6019207)
#49
Green? Nope. Not a bad guess, but this guy debuted with the Dodgers in 2006. Green left the team after 2004.
   54. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6019208)
Michael Young TEX
   55. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:04 PM (#6019209)
#51
Jay Buhner? DING!

Juan Gone? Nope. This guy lasted a lot logner on the team than Gonzalez did. In fact, he's #1 in A LOT of career stats with the Rangers. Like I said at some point, name guys with long tenures with the Rangers.
   56. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6019210)
Matt Kemp?
   57. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:05 PM (#6019211)
Ivan Rodriguez. Steve Buechele. Ben Grieve. Bump Wills.
   58. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:06 PM (#6019212)
#54
Young? DING!

Just leaves a Dodger batter from 2006-14 (who flirted with the triple crown one year), and a third baseman so non-descript that he could only be a franchise leader wtih the Padres.
   59. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:07 PM (#6019214)
Joey Gallo will hold the TEX record in a couple of years.
   60. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6019215)
Chase Headley.
   61. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:13 PM (#6019219)
#56 - Matt Kemp? DING!

#60? - Chase Headley? DING!

That's all of them. Or, if you'd rather, here's all of them:
1. Willie Stargell, PIT, 1936. Snapper
2. Mike Schmidt, PHI, 1883. Snapper
3. Derek Jeter, NYY, 1840. Miserlou
4. Sammy Sosa, CHC, 1815. Nawrocki
5. Craig Biggio, HOU, 1753. SoSH
6. Dwight Evans, BOX, 1643, SoSH
7. Harmon Killebrew, MIN, 1629, Snapper
8. Dale Murphy, ATL, 1581. SoSH
9. Chris Davis (who is #22 in franchise PA), BAL, 1550. SoSH
10. Alex Gordon, KCR, 1535, SoSH
11. Lou Brock, STL, 1469. SoSH
12. Willie Mays, SFG, 1436. Mefsto
13. Jim Thome, CLE, 1400. Mighty Quintana.
14. Joey Votto, CIN, 1379. Ziggy.
15. Jay Buhner, SEA, 1375. Nawrocki
16. Ryan Braun, SEP, 1363. SoSH
17. Tim Salmon, ANA, 1361. SoSU
18. Paul Konerko, CWS, 1349. Ziggy
19. Ryan Zimmerman, DCN, 1324. Nawrocki
20. David Wright, NYM, 1292. Miserlou
21. Miguel Cabrera, DET, 1246, Ziggy
22. Carlos Delgado, TOR, 1242. Nawrocki
23. Mr. October, OAK, 1226. Snapper
24. Even Longoria, TBR, 1220. Zippy
25. Matt Kemp, LAD 1179. SoSH
26. Todd Helton, COL, 1175, Ziggy
27. Michael Young, TX, 1152. Miserlou.
28. Giancarlo Stanton, MIA, 1140. Miserlou
29. Paul Goldschmit, AZ, 1059. Ziggy
30. Chase Headley SDP, 864, SoSH
   62. Karl from NY Posted: May 17, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6019222)
Pretty much every Mets batting counting stat is either Wright or Ed Kranepool. There just isn't anyone else who had a full batting career with the team. Nobody else even has more than nine full seasons of games played.
   63. AndrewJ Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:34 PM (#6019239)
Not a great Birthday Team today, but that center fielder is a keeper.

And today's left fielder wore his birthday on the back of his White Sox jersey.
   64. Walt Davis Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:40 PM (#6019244)
9. Chris Davis, BAL, 1550.

I thought you said career not season. :-)
   65. JJ1986 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 04:46 PM (#6019246)
Pretty much every Mets batting counting stat is either Wright or Ed Kranepool. There just isn't anyone else who had a full batting career with the team. Nobody else even has more than nine full seasons of games played.
Who is third in games played? Is it Reyes?
   66. Karl from NY Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:00 PM (#6019253)
Yes, Reyes at 1300-something, eight-plus seasons worth.
   67. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 05:11 PM (#6019257)
Nobody else even has more than nine full seasons of games played.


And Eddie needed 18 seasons to play nine full ones.

   68. AndrewJ Posted: May 17, 2021 at 07:18 PM (#6019268)
25. Matt Kemp, LAD 1179

Nine expansion teams are higher up on that list than the Dodgers, a franchise almost 140 years old.
   69. SoSH U at work Posted: May 17, 2021 at 07:46 PM (#6019275)
Nine expansion teams are higher up on that list than the Dodgers, a franchise almost 140 years old.


That would be more noteworthy if a single player on this list played the majority of his career before expansion.
   70. Walt Davis Posted: May 17, 2021 at 08:23 PM (#6019278)
That would be more noteworthy if a single player on this list played the majority of his career before expansion.

Yep. It's also surprising how few "franchise" (EDIT: POSITION) players the Dodgers have really had, especially recently. Among players whose careers started in the last 50 years or so, Eric Karros leads the way with 6600 PA. Obviously FA has some effect on every team but the Dodgers are wealthy. Unless I missed somebody, Beltre (just 3800 PA) was the first HoF position player to spend significant time with the Dodgers since Duke Snider whose last season in LA was 1962. (The Dodgers top 50 PA list goes down to Justin Turner at 3240 so I would have missed anybody below that but anybody below that barely scraped 5 years at most.)

Not that HoF position players grow on trees of course though I mean not just ones they might have developed, but FAs and traded players as well. Eddie Murray was there for a while but it's less than 2000 PA. F Robinson grabbed 400 PA.
   71. JJ1986 Posted: May 17, 2021 at 08:54 PM (#6019285)
Unless I missed somebody, Beltre (just 3800 PA) was the first HoF position player to spend significant time with the Dodgers since Duke Snider whose last season in LA was 1962.
Piazza.
   72. Walt Davis Posted: May 17, 2021 at 10:25 PM (#6019315)
Go figure, Piazza just over 3000 PA -- 5 full seasons plus bits but a catcher and the 94-95 missed games keeps him out of the top 50 Dodgers in PAs. He's also way down at 15th in Dodger career WARpos so I didn't notice him on that list.
   73. sanny manguillen (was rennie's tenet) Posted: May 18, 2021 at 12:52 PM (#6019406)
My namesake, Rennie Stennett, has passed away. RIP.

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