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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-19-2020

Prescott [Arizona] Weekly Journal-Miner, May 19, 1920:

Good Kids to See Ball Game Two Days Each Month

The [Sacramento] board of education today accepted an offer of the Sacramento baseball club owners and agreed to dismiss the elementary schools early twice a month during the baseball season. On those days all “good children” will be admitted free to the games.

If I recall correctly, they did a similar thing in Cleveland in the 1980s, but it was actually a punishment for children who misbehaved.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 10:35 AM | 20 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5951963)
They knew 'em all across the baseball club,
Especially Skippy, Fritzie, and the Nub.

If you liked the '84 Padres, you'll like today's Birthday Team.

C: Rick Cerone (8.1 WAR)
1B: Ji-Man Choi (2.6 WAR)
2B: Gil McDougald (40.8 WAR)
3B: Brandon Inge (19.2 WAR)
SS: Luis Salazar (9.0 WAR)
LF: Disco Dan Ford (11.8 WAR)
CF: Victor Robles (4.6 WAR)
RF: Brian W. Anderson (6.7 WAR)

SP: Curt Simmons (43.3 WAR)
SP: Ed Whitson (21.2 WAR)
SP: Eric Show (15.6 WAR)
SP: Luis Aquino (10.3 WAR)
SP: Phil Leftwich (2.5 WAR)
RP: Turk Wendell (5.6 WAR)

Fun Names: Skippy Roberge, Fritzie Connally, Nub Kleinke
Quad-A Heroes: Alan Zinter, Scott McClain
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 19, 2020 at 12:42 PM (#5951996)
Whitson and Show were born exactly one year apart. The only members of the same rotation born on exactly the same day that I'm aware of were, briefly, Ramiro Mendoza and Mariano Rivera.
   3. Itchy Row Posted: May 19, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5951999)
I think you mean Mendoza and Andy Pettitte. Rivera is two and a half years older than them.

Twin brothers Johnny and Eddie O'Brien each started a game for the Pirates in September 1957, but neither of them had any GS before or after that, so they weren't in the rotation.

Greg Maddux and Steve Avery shared a birthday, but Maddux was four years older. Maddux was born the same day as David Justice and Greg Myers, who joined Atlanta after Justice was gone.
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 19, 2020 at 01:03 PM (#5952002)
I think you mean Mendoza and Andy Pettitte. Rivera is two and a half years older than them.


Ah, my mistake. I knew I should have checked.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 01:13 PM (#5952006)
C: Rick Cerone (8.1 WAR)

as Bill James noted he holds the record for "longest career milked out of one good season"--he got 4.2 of that WAR in 1980
   6. puck Posted: May 19, 2020 at 01:37 PM (#5952009)
Did anyone submit this SI story on the minors? I would but that seems like the type of article that gets submitted 5 times.
   7. base ball chick Posted: May 19, 2020 at 01:46 PM (#5952012)
i remember the stros calling up alan zinter when he was like 38 for his first ML appearance and AB. he got a real nice hand but i remember wondering why they gave him any ABs in any game that wasn't already lost
   8. Tyhand7 Posted: May 19, 2020 at 02:58 PM (#5952037)
@5 - I think Pat Borders is in the same category here. 3.0 bWar in 1990 - 3.6 bWar for his 17 year career. If we put our heads together we can probably come up with plenty of others
   9. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5952043)
Elliott Maddox, but he only played 11 years, whereas Borders had 17 and Cerone 18. It's probably not insignificant that they were both catchers. Plus Borders has the World Series MVP (not in his 3.0 WAR season)
   10. Itchy Row Posted: May 19, 2020 at 03:14 PM (#5952051)
Cito Gaston only played 11 years too, but he had a 5.1 WAR season and still ended up negative for his career. He had negative 1.5 in the first two seasons he played, then the 5.1 year in 1970, and then negative 4.4 over his last eight.
   11. Perry Posted: May 19, 2020 at 03:24 PM (#5952053)
i remember the stros calling up alan zinter when he was like 38 for his first ML appearance and AB. he got a real nice hand but i remember wondering why they gave him any ABs in any game that wasn't already lost


That's amazing. Makes his MLB debut at that age (was actually 34, but close enough), is absolutely putrid (.136/.136/.318 in 44 PAs) -- and Arizona gives him another 40 PAs two years later! I guess they wanted to make absolutely sure.
   12. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:04 PM (#5952079)
Alan Zinter reminds me that at the same time there was another player named Keith Ginter. Who I thought was the guy on the Oakland A's whose only major league experience was in the playoffs. But that must be some other guy.

Miguel Dilone had 3.0 WAR in 1980 and -0.5 WAR in his other 11 seasons.
   13. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:23 PM (#5952088)
then you have "longest career milked out of a series of good months" which would be Frenchy--I'm amazed he lasted 12 years
   14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:32 PM (#5952094)
Update: Mark Kiger! Never forget Mark Kiger. Because he's invisible on BB-ref.
   15. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:34 PM (#5952095)
2B: Gil McDougald (40.8 WAR)
Bill James once wrote that McDougald might have made the Hall of Fame if he hadn’t retired early to avoid going to the expansion Angels. That might be a stretch, but McDougald’s ability to play 2nd, SS & 3rd came in very handy for the 1950s Yankees.
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:42 PM (#5952096)
Hall of Fame may have been out of the question by then, but McDougald was only 32 when he hung them up. And he got absolutely killed by Old Yankee Stadium: He hit .296/.379/.469 on the road for his career, but .255/.333/.348 at home. That's basically Roberto Alomar on the road, and Glenn Hubbard at home. In a more normal park, he might have been hitting .300 with 20 homers every year.

   17. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 19, 2020 at 04:58 PM (#5952104)
That's amazing. Makes his MLB debut at that age (was actually 34, but close enough), is absolutely putrid (.136/.136/.318 in 44 PAs) -- and Arizona gives him another 40 PAs two years later! I guess they wanted to make absolutely sure.
My frighteningly total recall of 1990 Score reminds me that Zinter was a former first-round pick, so that may help explain it.
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 19, 2020 at 05:05 PM (#5952108)
My frighteningly total recall of 1990 Score reminds me that Zinter was a former first-round pick, so that may help explain it.

he showed some pop in the minors--ended up with 250 homers
   19. Walt Davis Posted: May 19, 2020 at 06:16 PM (#5952117)
I'm pretty sure I used Zinter on DM or OOTP teams back in the day. For a few years there he was a fairly standard "Year X Ken Phelps All-Star" pick.

Sandy Alomar Jr is a good example of "how?" Parts of 20 seasons (the first one just 1 PA), never a season better than 3.9 WAR (in the middle) but with 3 other good seasons ... but also a RoY and 6 AS games. He got hurt a lot which we always treated as a major blow to Cle when in fact he was pretty average. The last 10 seasons were over 2100 PA of 1.3 WAR (-6 WAA) and his final AS appearance at 32 in a below-replacement season.

He was carrying on a family tradition as Sandy Sr made it to bits of 15 seasons, one AS team, 5100+ PA on a 69 OPS+. A perfectly decent bench player (10 WAR, -7 WAA), he did manage a 5-WAR season ... the year after his AS natch.
   20. Adam Starblind Posted: May 20, 2020 at 07:30 AM (#5952215)
Sandy Alomar Jr is a good example of "how?" Parts of 20 seasons (the first one just 1 PA), never a season better than 3.9 WAR (in the middle) but with 3 other good seasons ... but also a RoY and 6 AS games. He got hurt a lot which we always treated as a major blow to Cle when in fact he was pretty average. The last 10 seasons were over 2100 PA of 1.3 WAR (-6 WAA) and his final AS appearance at 32 in a below-replacement season.


He tossed my wife a ball once. I think she was supposed to write her number on it and toss it back.

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