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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-5-2020

[Juneau] Alaska Daily Empire, May 5, 1920:

BLIND MAN THANKFUL HE COULD NOT SEE BASEBALL MASSACRED

A sightless fan sat in the press box listening to the crack of wood on leather as Sacramento won from Vernon, 14 to 4. About the seventh inning he muttered, “thank heaven, I’m blind,” and tapped his way to the outer world.

The only feature of the game was the nerve of Mollwitz, Sacramento first baseman, who was knocked unconscious by a pitched ball but revived and trotted to first, scoring before he retired from the game.

If you can’t see what’s happening, the thunk of a ball against a skull and the resulting groan from the crowd must be incredibly unnerving.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 10:40 AM | 32 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 10:41 AM (#5947850)
Two Reds second basemen on today's Birthday Team, not to mention a Foxy Grandpa.

#2 starter Kimiyasu Kudoh somehow spent 29 (!) seasons pitching in NPB, winning four ERA titles, winning an MVP award, being named the MVP of the Japan Series twice, and making eight All-Star teams. Heck of a pitcher. Oh, and this too: He's won four Japan Series in five years as an NPB manager.

C: Mike Redmond (6.3 WAR)
1B: Chris Duncan (2.8 WAR)
2B: Ron Oester (11.0 WAR)
3B: Tommy Helms (8.3 WAR)
SS: Jose Pagan (5.7 WAR)
LF: Bob Cerv (11.1 WAR)
CF: Larry Hisle (25.0 WAR)
RF: Jimmy "Foxy Grandpa" Bannon (4.8 WAR)

SP: Chief Bender (48.1 WAR)
SP/Manager: Kimiyasu Kudoh (Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame)
SP: Charles Nagy (24.8 WAR)
SP: Lee Richmond (11.6 WAR)
SP: Tom Vickery (4.1 WAR)
RP: Juan Acevedo (2.7 WAR)

Not the legendary Negro Leagues pitcher: John Donaldson
Not the drummer from the Sex Pistols: Paul Cook
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:30 PM (#5947909)
Bob Cerv came the closest of any Kansas City Athletic to winning an MVP award, when he came in fourth in 1958.

That brings up a trivia question: Among the franchises (or locations) that have never had an MVP award winner, which player came closest? In addition to the KC A's, those teams would include:

New York Mets
Arizona Diamondbacks
Tampa Bay Rays
Washington Senators II (1961-71)
Montreal Expos
Seattle Pilots


   3. salvomania Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:31 PM (#5947911)
1B: Chris Duncan (2.8 WAR)

As I'm sure many here are aware, Duncan passed away 8 months ago, at just 38. He had a great from-out-of-nowhere rookie season with the Cardinals in 2006, culminating in a World Series ring, then gently drifted down to earth for a few years, and was out of a baseball after a bad 2010 season with the Nationals' AAA team.

He seemed to have a pretty good post-MLB career doing radio in St. Louis, although I never heard him myself so I don't know if he had any personality or schtick or if he was just a straightforward "ex jock."
   4. salvomania Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:33 PM (#5947912)
Mets: I'll say Howard Johnson.
DBacks: Luis Gonzalez
Rays: hmmmmmmm
Senators: Frank Howard
Expos: Rusty Staub
Seattle: Tommy Harper

EDIT: Okay, I checked and I'm way off on Staub, whose best finish as an Expo was 19th. I'll wait a bit for others' first guesses before I guess again.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:37 PM (#5947919)
Doc Gooden and David Wright each finished 4th once
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:40 PM (#5947922)
Expos- maybe Tim Raines, say in ‘87? Or Larry Walker?

Edit: neither of those, but another pretty obvious one.
   7. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:43 PM (#5947924)
Piazza for the Mets?
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:44 PM (#5947925)
I should have specified that you have to provide the year. I suppose that's immaterial in the case of the Pilots, for whom Tommy Harper is indeed correct. In the Pilots' only season, despite accruing a mere 0.4 WAR, Harper finished 29th in the MVP voting.
   9. Sweatpants Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:45 PM (#5947926)
For Rays I'll guess Ben Zobrist 2009.
   10. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:55 PM (#5947938)
Zobrist 2009 is not correct. The Rays' highest finisher is a guy who placed 6th twice.

The Expos have two guys who finished second. I think they're the only non-winner who can make that claim.
   11. PreservedFish Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:57 PM (#5947941)
Strawberry was second to Kirk Gibson in 1988, splitting some votes with teammate Kevin McReynolds, who led MLB in GWRBI. This type of thing was important to me when I was 7.
   12. Nasty Nate Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:58 PM (#5947944)
Rays - Longoria '08?
Expos - Pedro '97?
   13. Tyhand7 Posted: May 05, 2020 at 12:59 PM (#5947947)
Rays: I am guessing Longoria
Expos: Andre Dawson - my year guess is 1981
Mets: Strawberry?
   14. Nasty Nate Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:01 PM (#5947953)
DBacks: Luis Gonzalez
It's probably him in 2001 but if not maybe Goldschmidt in some year - I'll guess 2015
   15. SoSH U at work Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:04 PM (#5947959)
Vlad for the Expos?

   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:07 PM (#5947964)
Strawberry was second to Kirk Gibson in 1988, splitting some votes with teammate Kevin McReynolds, who led MLB in GWRBI.


Strawberry 1988 is tied for the Mets' highest finisher, but I missed that they have had another No. 2.
   17. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5947968)
It's probably him in 2001 but if not maybe Goldschmidt in some year - I'll guess 2015


Goldschmidt 2015 is correct, finishing second to Bryce Harper. He also finished second to Andrew McCutchen in 2013. Luis Gonzalez was 3rd in 2001.
   18. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:10 PM (#5947970)
Strawberry 1988 is tied for the Mets' highest finisher, but I missed that they have had another No. 2.

Seaver in 69
   19. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:43 PM (#5947999)
Beyond Piazza, Strawberry, Gooden and Seaver... Didn't Edgardo Alfonzo almost win an MVP one year?
   20. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:51 PM (#5948003)
Strawberry 1988 and Seaver 1969 are the two correct answers for the Mets. Edgardo's best finish was 8th in 1999.

So the correct ones we have now are:

Mets: Strawberry 1988 and Seaver 1969 (both 2nd)
D-Backs: Goldschmidt 2013 and 2015 (both 2nd)
Pilots: Harper 1969 (29th)

For the Rays, Senators and Expos, the top finishers have been named somewhere in the thread, but not the year. The Expos also have another player tied for the top finish who has not been named.
   21. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 05, 2020 at 01:57 PM (#5948006)
The Expos also have another player tied for the top finish who has not been named.


Gary Carter?
   22. crict Posted: May 05, 2020 at 02:27 PM (#5948032)
   23. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 02:35 PM (#5948037)
Frank Howard finished 4th in 1969; Gary Carter was 2nd in 1980
   24. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 05, 2020 at 02:47 PM (#5948042)
Speaking of the Expos, Pete Rose had bats corked in '84, former Expos groundskeeper says.
Eh, a little late on the scandal train with that one.
   25. Tyhand7 Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:06 PM (#5948069)
Dawson was 2nd in 81 and 83
   26. The Yankee Clapper Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:24 PM (#5948072)
My guess is not many go from Concession Manager to MLB General Manager - Baseball ‘Lifer’ Dies At 96:
Eldred "Salty" Saltwell, who worked in a variety of roles including general manager and vice president over 30 years with the Cubs, has died, the team said Tuesday … Arriving in Chicago in 1958, Saltwell served as concession manager, traveling secretary, assistant secretary, assistant treasurer, secretary, general manager, vice president and consultant. He replaced John Holland as general manager after the 1975 season and lasted one year in that role, drawing criticism for trading shortstop Don Kessinger and first baseman Andre Thornton as the Cubs finished fourth in the National League East at 75-87.

Saltwell worked as an usher, trainer, play-by-play announcer, traveling secretary and business manager for Sioux City of the Western League from 1947 to 1954. He moved to the Western League office in 1954 and began work in the Cubs organization a year later with stops in Des Moines, Los Angeles and Fort Worth before arriving in Chicago.
   27. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:38 PM (#5948075)
he somehow managed to skip over Assistant to the traveling secretary
   28. Itchy Row Posted: May 05, 2020 at 04:50 PM (#5948082)
One of the players that Salty got for Kessinger was Mike Garman, who was part of the trade that brought Bill Buckner and Ivan de Jesus to the Cubs and those players were traded for Ryne Sandberg, Larry Bowa, and Dennis Eckersley. They also got Mike Brumley in the Eckersley trade and later traded him for part of Rich Gossage.

If you ignore the fact that Garman was pretty much an irrelevant throw-in in the Buckner/ de Jesus trade and that Gossage added nothing to the Cubs, Saltwell turned the last few years of Kessinger's career into three Hall of Famers and three other pretty good players.
   29. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 05, 2020 at 05:01 PM (#5948087)
I clicked on "Foxy Grandpa" (the one and only time I will write that phrase), and noticed that he was actually quite good in a very short MLB career. Turns out he was one of those guys who had a long and successful career in the minors, playing until he was 39. Not quite Kimiyasu Kudoh territory, but pretty solid. With the modern minor league structure, he'd have been a big leaguer for many years.
   30. Tom Nawrocki Posted: May 05, 2020 at 05:23 PM (#5948095)
OK, to wrap up my trivia question, the top finisher for the Tampa Bay franchise was Evan Longoria, who finished 6th in the voting in both 2010 and 2013. The final answers:

Mets: Strawberry 1988 and Seaver 1969 (both 2nd)
D-Backs: Goldschmidt 2013 and 2015 (both 2nd)
Pilots: Harper 1969 (29th)
Expos: Carter 1980 and Dawson 1981 and 1983 (all 2nd)
Senators: Frank Howard 1969 (4th)
Rays: Longoria 2010 and 2013 (both 6th)
   31. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 06, 2020 at 12:12 PM (#5948337)
Yeah, that Dawson '81 season was an all-timer (even with the shortened year). Unfortunately for him, Schmidt was on another planet during that era.
   32. Mefisto Posted: May 06, 2020 at 06:56 PM (#5948500)
I can't believe there's no Dugout for today. It's ####### Willie Mays' birthday.

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