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Wednesday, May 05, 2021

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 5-5-2021

Pittsburgh Press, May 5, 1921:

Babe Ruth, the King of Swat, is now in the bad graces of Miller Huggins, the sawed-off manager of the Yanks.
Huggins wants his boys in early at night, and the Babe loves the rush of wind against his face as he speeds around under the moon in his high powered car.

Huggins claims he can’t insist upon some of the lesser lights following the mandates of training if he permits any exceptions.

Ruth is still greatly overweight and while his condition hasn’t taken the edge off his batting eye, his work in the field has been anything but that required of a major league gardener.

Obviously, Huggins eventually got over it. Seems easy enough to say to the other players “You want your own set of rules? Okay, fine, hit more home runs in one season than the Tigers and Red Sox combined. Be so unbelievably great that they’ll still be talking about you centuries from now.”

I mean, I assume we’ll still be fascinated with Babe Ruth in 2121 if humanity still exists. I’ll let you know. I’ll be 145 years old. Should be fine.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 12:31 PM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 12:32 PM (#6017065)
Two Reds second basemen on today's Birthday Team, not to mention a Foxy Grandpa.

#2 starter Kimiyasu Kudoh somehow spent 29 (!) seasons pitching in NPB, winning four ERA titles, winning an MVP award, being named the MVP of the Japan Series twice, and making eight All-Star teams. Heck of a pitcher. Oh, and this too: He's won four Japan Series in a row and five in six years as an NPB manager.

C: Mike Redmond (6.3 WAR)
1B: Chris Duncan (2.8 WAR)
2B: Ron Oester (11.0 WAR)
3B: Tommy Helms (8.6 WAR)
SS: Jose Pagan (5.7 WAR)
LF: Bob Cerv (11.2 WAR)
CF: Larry Hisle (25.0 WAR)
RF: Jimmy "Foxy Grandpa" Bannon (4.8 WAR)

SP: Chief Bender (47.9 WAR)
SP/Manager: Kimiyasu Kudoh (Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame)
SP: Charles Nagy (24.8 WAR)
SP: Lee Richmond (11.6 WAR)
SP: Tom Vickery (4.0 WAR)
RP: Juan Acevedo (2.7 WAR)

Not the legendary Negro Leagues pitcher: John Donaldson
Not the drummer from the Sex Pistols: Paul Cook
Not the Indy 500 champion: Johnny Rutherford
   2. sanny manguillen Posted: May 05, 2021 at 01:26 PM (#6017074)
"You want your own set of rules? Okay, fine..."

Maybe someone can illustrate, but isn't this what actually happened? I kind of remember reading of Ruth coming in late with other players, and the manager just letting Ruth slide on past, then going off on the others.
   3. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: May 05, 2021 at 01:51 PM (#6017079)
Ruth is still greatly overweight

Oh 1921, you ain't seen nothin' yet.
   4. Itchy Row Posted: May 05, 2021 at 01:59 PM (#6017083)
Hideki Irabu would have been 52 today. I probably remember him and look at his bb-ref page once or twice a year, and each time I'm surprised he's dead.
   5. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:15 PM (#6017086)
CF: Larry Hisle (25.0 WAR)

2 time All-State basketball player in Ohio--an incredible athlete
   6. The Mighty Quintana Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:26 PM (#6017090)
A riveting piece in SI about Irabu, seems he wasn't at home on either side of the Pacific.
   7. vortex of dissipation Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6017092)
The Matsutaro Shoriki Award is given each year to the manager or player who made the greatest contribution to Japanese professional baseball. Kimiyasu Kudoh is the only man to have won the award five times, and one of the few to win it as both a player and a manager. He won it in 2020, his third consecutive win, for being the manager of the Fukuoka SoftBank Hawks dynasty.
   8. Perry Posted: May 05, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6017097)
Obviously, Huggins eventually got over it.

Eventually, although 4 years later he suspended Ruth indefinitely for off-field behavior and made him pay his own way back home from St. Louis. Ruth went over his head to the owner, saying he'd never play for Huggins again, but Ruppert backed Huggins and Ruth came crawling back a week later and publicly apologized.
   9. salvomania Posted: May 05, 2021 at 03:29 PM (#6017108)
CF: Larry Hisle (25.0 WAR)

Hisle took a while to really get going, and his baseball card history showed that.

He first appeared on a Topps card as one of a pair on a 1968 Phillies rookies cards; between then and his 1974 Topps card, he had one card (1971) showing him by himself with his team's hat and logo visible.

He appeared on another rookie-pair card in 1969, then appeared hatless on his 1970 card, then suffered the indignity of the looking-up-toward-the-brim-at-low-angle shot not once, but twice---the exact same photo, in fact!--on both his 1972 ("Dodgers") and 1973 ("Twins") Topps cards.

It wasn't until after his second breakout, with the Twins in 1973 (he had a 20-homer season with the Phillies as a rookie in 1969), that he finally began appearing on cards showing him with his current team's hat.

His best two seasons were with the '77 Twins, where he led the AL in RBI, and the '78 Brewers, with whom he signed as free agent and then finished third in the AL MVP voting, leading Milwaukee to a team-record 93 wins (they had never reached even .500 before).

A shoulder injury early the next season essentially ended his career as a productive player; he would get only 317 PA from 1979-1982 before retiring.
   10. mathesond Posted: May 05, 2021 at 04:55 PM (#6017138)
#7 - kudos to Kudoh!
   11. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 05:41 PM (#6017150)
Dan, you missed the memo. He's Charles Bender now.
   12. Itchy Row Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:32 PM (#6017169)
Foxy Grandpa got his nickname because his hair was prematurely gray but he was still foxy. That nickname might have to go too.
   13. Walt Davis Posted: May 05, 2021 at 06:37 PM (#6017172)
By the way, FWIW, TZ rates Ruth as a very good fielder generally and a +6 in 1921. No idea about his gardening though.

I've also mentioned before that the young Ruth wasn't overweight. He was more Bryce Harper very early then more Frank Thomas in his early Yanks years -- i.e. a big, strong guy, especially for his era. The Bartolo Colon image came later. Here's a picture of Ruth with the Yankees -- those baggy uniforms can hide a lot but that guy doesn't look fat to me.
   14. SoSH U at work Posted: May 05, 2021 at 11:14 PM (#6017229)
Did anyone see this?

I guess that would explain why that game earlier this season wasn't protested.
   15. The Honorable Ardo Posted: May 06, 2021 at 11:48 PM (#6017488)
Two things about Larry Hisle:

1) I always thought he was white. (Turns out his mom named him for Larry Doby.)

2) Imagine if the Dodgers didn't stash him in Triple-A for his entire age 25 season and trade him for nothing afterwards. He would've been a better option than Manny Mota from day one.
   16. phredbird Posted: May 07, 2021 at 11:02 AM (#6017540)

the 'babe ruth was fat' thing needs to be debunked on a regular basis.

he is described more than once in 'the glory of their times' by contemporaries as being 190 lbs. of muscle.

he got a bit of a bay window after he turned 30, emphasized by the fact that he still had long, slim, powerful legs.

i am old enough to remember being called a 'sawed off runt' ... probably by some old guy chasing me off his lawn ...

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