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Tuesday, June 15, 2021

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 6-15-2021

New York Evening World, June 15, 1921:

George Herman Ruth has nothing to do now but break his own batting records. He has broken all others, including his own.

The Babe started in yesterday by smashing the long-distance home run mark he had set the day before by clouting the third ball George Dauss pitched him in the third inning…for a distance of 450 feet, a truly tremendous wallop and said to be the longest hit ever made in major league baseball.

The Babe hit two home runs on June 14, 1921, giving him seven dingers in five days. From June 10-14, 1921, Ruth hit .625/.750/2.063. That seems good.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 15, 2021 at 08:14 AM | 12 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: June 15, 2021 at 08:15 AM (#6024260)
I'm not sure how you'd actually measure this, but today's Birthday Team almost has to be the most complete, best top-to-bottom roster of the year.

C: Lance Parrish (39.5 WAR)
1B: Tony Clark (12.3 WAR)
2B: Trevor Plouffe (7.3 WAR)
3B: Wade Boggs (91.4 WAR)
SS: Cliff Pennington (10.1 WAR)
LF: Billy Williams (63.7 WAR)
CF: Brett Butler (49.7 WAR)
RF/Manager: Dusty Baker (37.0 WAR)

SP: Andy Pettitte (60.2 WAR)
SP: Tim Lincecum (19.5 WAR)
SP: Mike Fiers (11.2 WAR)
SP: Monte Weaver (8.5 WAR)
SP: Bruce Dal Canton (7.7 WAR)
RP: Ramiro Mendoza (11.7 WAR)

Umpire: Greg Bonin
Fun names: Champ Summers, Peek-A-Boo Veach, Pid Purdy, Heinie Beckendorf, Cy Twombly
   2. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 15, 2021 at 10:22 AM (#6024266)
Baseball-Reference has updated their site to integrate the Negro Leagues into the Major Leagues: Here's their introduction to it. Here's Josh Gibson's page - there's a LOT of black ink there.
   3. sanny manguillen Posted: June 15, 2021 at 12:38 PM (#6024281)
Bruce Dal Canton was part of an unusual trade after the 1970 season: the Pirates sent him, Jerry May, and Freddie Patek to the Royals for Bob Johnson, Jim Campanis, and Jackie Hernandez. Each team got a RH pitcher who had started and relieved in 1970, a no-hit catcher, and a shortstop. The Pirates got beat on all three legs of the trade, and also overall as KC got about 24 bWAR from it and Pittsburgh just 2. Hernandez and Johnson did help the 1971 champions a bit.

The Pirates made the trade to get Johnson, who had been third in the AL in strikeouts in 1970. At 28, it was thought that he had blossomed and would be a winner on a good team. The Pirates of the 60s and 70s had a lot of capable pitchers, but no one equal to the Seavers, Carltons, Gibsons. A good article could be written about their attempts to acquire someone who would match up with guys like that.
   4. VCar Posted: June 15, 2021 at 01:23 PM (#6024285)
Now that NegroLg stats are official, does Gibson's .374 officially overtake Cobb for best b.a.? Also, I see that Gibson typically only played ~70 games per season -- did the NegroLg only play that many games per season, are their BR records incomplete or did big Josh only play in that many?
   5. The Mighty Quintana Posted: June 15, 2021 at 01:24 PM (#6024286)
January 7th has tons of power, and a nasty bullpen. Christmas Day has the legs and the gloves. But I think today's team wins in a pennant race.
   6. Ron J Posted: June 15, 2021 at 01:50 PM (#6024288)
#4 Doesn't qualify. 3,000 PAs required. Charleston is listed as #2 though.
   7. Kiko Sakata Posted: June 15, 2021 at 02:16 PM (#6024294)
Now that NegroLg stats are official, does Gibson's .374 officially overtake Cobb for best b.a.? Also, I see that Gibson typically only played ~70 games per season -- did the NegroLg only play that many games per season, are their BR records incomplete or did big Josh only play in that many?


Negro League seasons involved fewer games than AL/NL seasons. Also, records are incomplete. BB-Ref's source is Seamheads and Seamheads compiled statistics only for games for which they could find box scores. To get a sense of what percentage of his team's games, Gibson was playing, click through to the team pages for his teams and look at the pitcher games started. So, for example, the 1936 Pittsburgh Crawfords have a record of 48-33-2 (=83 games) but only have 63 games started by their pitchers. Gibson's 50 games played shown here are out of the 63 games from which stats are calculated (50/63 = ~129 games played in a 162-game schedule, for example).

And even the 83 games there is an unknown fraction of the total games that the Crawfords actually played that year. It's just that the rest of their games were against independent teams so they don't count here. (Some independent teams in some seasons were really good; they just weren't part of a formal Negro League. The gaps in Gibson's record are because he was playing for such teams (the Homestead Grays / Pittsburgh Crawfords prior to 1933; the Mexican League for some time in the early 1940s).

Skimming through Gibson's teams, that 1936 season is actually one of Gibson's lowest percentage of games played. In 1946, he's credited with 48 out of 59 total games for the Homestead Grays. In 1939, his 27 games are out of only 33 games for the Grays.

Hopefully all of these numbers will increase over time.
   8. AndrewJ Posted: June 15, 2021 at 02:57 PM (#6024306)
The December 20th team (my personal fave) has 11 players at 20 WAR or more plus Branch Rickey in the front office. But today's roster has six players with 30+ WAR and no weakness at any position...
   9. Karl from NY Posted: June 15, 2021 at 03:31 PM (#6024316)
I'm not sure how you'd actually measure this, but today's Birthday Team almost has to be the most complete, best top-to-bottom roster of the year.

Harmonic mean might be a good approach. It tends to mitigate the impact of large outliers and aggravate the impact of small ones. So a Bonds or Aaron wouldn't badly skew their group, but the differences between 0 and 10 WAR on the low end become significant.
   10. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: June 15, 2021 at 06:21 PM (#6024334)
I'm a bit surprised that there's more than one person named 'Cy Twombly'. (And surprised he didn't get a "not that one" designation.)
   11. AndrewJ Posted: June 15, 2021 at 06:57 PM (#6024338)
The players on today's Birthday Team were selected to 40 All-Star teams, and Dusty Baker managed the 2003 NL team.
   12. Fred Lynn Nolan Ryan Sweeney Agonistes Posted: June 16, 2021 at 01:03 AM (#6024463)
I'm a bit surprised that there's more than one person named 'Cy Twombly'. (And surprised he didn't get a "not that one" designation.)

The pitcher was the painter's Dad.

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