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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-22-2011

Regina Morning Leader, July 22, 1911, immediately to the left of the linked article, Rube Waddell drops some early 20th century smack talk on…Toledo?

Yep, Toledo. Of all places.

Mr. Rube Waddell opines that there must have been some mistake about a Toledo fan assaulting [umpire] Gerald Hayes on a street car in the silent city.

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“Fight in that town?” queried Mr. Waddell. “Why, they haven’t got the heart and courage in that town to stick a fishworm on the hook. They tie ‘em on with silk cord for fear the worm will bite ‘em. As for mobbin’ umpires, why the next time they get fresh when I’m in town, I’m going to take a whisk broom and chase ‘em all out to the back end of the grandstand.”

It being a thirty-foot drop to the ground from the back of that grand stand, Mr. Waddell’s threat seems dire indeed.

I’m not entirely sure why Rube Waddell would ever be in Toledo, but threat noted. As a former resident of Northwest Ohio’s largest city, I can say with certainty I’ve never heard it referred to as “The Silent City”.

And my alma mater’s football team needs to pin the first half of the Waddell quote to their locker room bulletin board.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 08:33 AM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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1. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 12:59 PM (#3883186)

Thinking about that Lou Brock thread....

There are two members of the 20/20 club tied for worst OPS+ by a 20/20 member. One is a Brewer, one is a Padre, but neither spent very long in those uniforms as part of their long careers.

Who were they?

Hint: The Padre also has the lowest OPS+ of anyone in the 30/30 club too, although its a different season for a different team.

Bonus: The third worst was an Athletic, although you'd probably associate him with his original team. After Oakland, he would bounce around to eight teams, one of them twice, including his original club.

2. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:03 PM (#3883188)

Is Joe Carter the Padre?

3. Bob Evans Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:04 PM (#3883190)

Benito Santiago? EDIT: Wrong-o. Plus I guess one would associate him with SD.

4. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:09 PM (#3883191)

Carter is the Padre, accomplishing the feat in his only season in San Diego - 1990 - with an 85 OPS+. He also went 30/30 with the Tribe in 1987 with a 101 OPS+.

5. kthejoker Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:48 PM (#3883207)

So while blatantly cheating by strolling through the Brewers' team stats year by year, I came across the 1992 Brewers where all 9 designated starters plus Darryl Hamilton and John Jaha all stole 10 or more bases.

Is this the most players on one team to do that? You can do a P-I search on this, but Forman needs to set up some a-la-carte 50 cents a search thing or something. Anyway, with the limited search, they are definitely in the top 10, as #11 has 9 players achieving this feat.

6. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:53 PM (#3883208)

KT - Yes it is. They are the only team with 11 (I did the search since 1901). 7 teams had ten players. Since WW II only the '91 Cardinals have had has many as nine players.

7. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:53 PM (#3883209)

So while blatantly cheating by strolling through the Brewers' team stats year by year, I came across the 1992 Brewers where all 9 designated starters plus Darryl Hamilton and John Jaha all stole 10 or more bases.

I remember that team. The Go-Go Garner Brewers. LOL@FranklinStubbs 11-19 stolen bases-attempts and Greg Vaughn 15/30.

8. kthejoker Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:53 PM (#3883210)

PS I never would have guessed the Brewers player, as I had no idea he played for the Brewers, and because I don't remember him having a lot of home run power.

9. Nasty Nate Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:54 PM (#3883211)

Jeter last night tied Wade Boggs' hit total, which reminded me that they were once teammates. And Boggs was teammates with Yaz, another 3000 hit guy, but then the trail runs dry as far as I can tell. Are there any longer "3000 hit chains" than this?

10. Dag Nabbit: Sockless Psychopath Posted: July 22, 2011 at 01:55 PM (#3883212)

In this day in baseball history, it's the 25th anniversary of the time Davey Johnson ran out of players before running out of ballgame. Can anyone else remember seeing highlights of the game where Jesse Orosco and Roger McDowell took turns shifting from outfield to pitcher's mound?

Then comes a list of things celebrating their "day-versary" and anniversary. It includes: the wildest debut any pitcher ever had, the birth of the 3,000 K club, a no-hitter lost on a terrible scorer's call, a pitcher hitting a walk-off homer for the second straight day, Stengel getting creative in how he uses his players, the first time five pitchers appeared in one inning, one of the best pitcher's duels of the 1980s, an on-field fight between managers. Oh, and you get the answer to this trivia question: who are the only four men to steal bases in four different decades.

11. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:15 PM (#3883219)

Are there any longer "3000 hit chains" than this?

So 51 years dating back to Yaz' rookie year?

Aaron to Yount to Molitor to Henderson comes up just short at 49.

12. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:16 PM (#3883220)

Double Post

13. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:16 PM (#3883221)

Triple Post

14. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:25 PM (#3883229)

Long career, short career as a Brewer - Mike Cameron?

15. Nasty Nate Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:41 PM (#3883235)

Aaron to Yount to Molitor to Henderson comes up just short at 49.

If we go for most players in a chain, I cam up with Yount-Molitor-Rickey-Gwynn-Winfield.

16. zack Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:41 PM (#3883236)

I doubt it's the first time, but on baseball tonight on Wednesday, they used WAR when talking about Carlos Beltran.

On the other hand, the host described it as meaning that Beltran adds 4 wins per game, or something like that.

17. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 02:50 PM (#3883243)

If we go for most players in a chain, I cam up with Yount-Molitor-Rickey-Gwynn-Winfield.

Make it six with Aaron.

18. Nasty Nate Posted: July 22, 2011 at 03:05 PM (#3883249)

Make it six with Aaron.

oops, he was right there in your post.

19. Dale Sams Posted: July 22, 2011 at 03:06 PM (#3883252)

Toledo. A town so tough, Burt Bacharach wrote a song about it so it could take its place in the pantheon along with Tulsa and San Jose.

20. Sweatpants Posted: July 22, 2011 at 03:38 PM (#3883266)

Marquis Grissom?

21. Guapo Posted: July 22, 2011 at 04:14 PM (#3883288)

Triple Post

The most exciting post in all of BTF.

Is the answer to "Bonus" in #1 Ruben Sierra?

22. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 04:15 PM (#3883289)

As it turns out, Waddell would have spent some time playing road games in Toledo in 1911 because he was a Minneapolis Miller. That was a pretty great team: Waddell, Cravath, Faber, Sam Leever, Nick Altrock.

They won the pennant. Shocking, I know.

23. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:33 PM (#3883345)

Grissom was the correct answer! And Sierra was the bonus.

24. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:38 PM (#3883346)

If we go for most players in a chain, I cam up with Yount-Molitor-Rickey-Gwynn-Winfield.

Winfield was briefly Eddie Murray's teammate in Cleveland, which also nets you Ripken which nets you Raffy.

25. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:38 PM (#3883347)

danys baez was designated for assignment by the phillies to make room for a returning brad lidge.

since throwing 5 scoreless innings in a 19 inning game in may, baez has appeared in 10 games, throwing 11.2 innings, allowing 17 runs.

26. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:41 PM (#3883349)

Winfield was briefly Eddie Murray's teammate in Cleveland, which also nets you Ripken which nets you Raffy.

ivan rodriguez-alex rodriguez-derek jeter

27. Nasty Nate Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3883351)

ivan rodriguez-alex rodriguez-derek jeter

Who are 3 people who have never been in my kitchen?

...neither rodriguez has 3000 hits

28. Der Komminsk-sar Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:46 PM (#3883352)

Had no idea this existed 'til today (thanks Szym!) - there's a claydavenport.com, with the accordant DT stuff. Looks like it's kind of buggy, some of the numbers make no sense, but I'll bookmark it.

29. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama

Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:47 PM (#3883353)

since throwing 5 scoreless innings in a 19 inning game in may, baez has appeared in 10 games, throwing 11.2 innings, allowing 17 runs.

Other than the 5 scoreless in the 19 inning game, the only way to associate the word good with Baez' tenure to go all Berman on him, "Danys Good-Bye-ez."

From all accounts, he's a good guy and gets a lot of credit for helping from fellow bullpenners including the unbelievable Antonio Bastardo. With all the alleged "Baby Aces" in the minors, maybe he can become a pitching coach.

30. Best Dressed Chicken in Town Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:52 PM (#3883356)

It being a thirty-foot drop to the ground from the back of that grand stand, Mr. Waddell’s threat seems dire indeed.

I love how dry that is.

Beltran adds 4 wins per game, or something like that.

Now that's a heck of a ballplayer.

31. /muteself 57i66135 Posted: July 22, 2011 at 06:55 PM (#3883363)

...neither rodriguez has 3000 hits

yet. ivan has 2842 and alex has 2762. both were on the 2001 rangers with palmeiro, and both were on the 2008 yankees with jeter, so either one would give you that link.

if ivan gets there, he would also link to ryan zimmerman, mark teixeira, michael young, miguel cabrera, elvis andrus, and ian kinsler.

32. Jose is an Absurd Sultan Posted: July 22, 2011 at 07:11 PM (#3883370)

Ivan probably won't extend the chain further than Jeter will. Alex probably will by a year or two I would guess.

33. Bad Doctor Posted: July 22, 2011 at 11:26 PM (#3883545)

1,000 days since the Phillies beat the Rays 5-4 in Game Three of the World Series by scoring the winning run in the bottom of the ninth.

As someone who was there, I demand a recount! Because of a ridiculously long rain delay (which I think allowed Fox to run out all of their normal primetime lineup, and then some), it wasn't until about 2 am that the Phillies actually beat the Rays ... so it's only 999 days!

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