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Tuesday, July 17, 2018

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-17-2018

Washington Times, July 17, 1918:

Barney Dreyfuss, president of the Pirates, is against [National League] President Tener’s stand in the Scott Perry case.

“There will be no baseball war over the Perry case,” said Barney today. “For one, I shall not support Tener’s position. The only thing to do is to reorganize the National Commission, something that has been necessary for years.”

And so began the slow pulling of the rug out from under Tener as the NL President. The New York Sun reports most of the National League owners are behind Tener, but…stay tuned, folks. There are more developments to come.

Elsewhere, the Toledo News-Bee reports that the local nine is trying out a new idea today, the day-night doubleheader. Two games for the price of two!

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 17, 2018 at 09:59 AM | 16 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 17, 2018 at 10:01 AM (#5711099)
A solid infield on today's Birthday Team, but not much else. The two July 17 leaders in career WAR who aren't infielders are Adam Lind and Jason Jennings. Decent players, to be fair, but they aren't going to scare anyone.


C: Sammy Holbrook (0.76 WAR)
1B: Deron Johnson (6.28 WAR)
2B: Don Kessinger (8.96 WAR)
3B/Manager: Lou Boudreau (62.98 WAR)
SS: Roy McMillan (25.64 WAR)
LF: Adam Lind (11.9 WAR)
CF: Eddie Brown (6.88 WAR)
RF: Jerry Lynch (2.52 WAR)

SP: Jason Jennings (11.21 WAR)
SP: Hugh Daily (8.88 WAR)
SP: Chummy Gray (0.98 WAR)
SP: Jim Handiboe (0.66 WAR)
SP: Charlie Frye (0.05 WAR)
RP: Bobby Thigpen (7.84 WAR)
RP: Pete Ladd (1.7 WAR)

Owner: Emil Fuchs
Broadcaster: Charley Steiner
General Manager/League President: Ernest Barnard
Japanese Baseball Hall of Fame IF/manager, possibly a better option at 2B than Kessinger: Morimichi Takagi
   2. Itchy Row Posted: July 17, 2018 at 10:42 AM (#5711122)
Hugh Daily is definitely something. His nickname was "One Arm" because he was missing his left arm, possibly blown off at a Union armory in 1861. He had a 1.34 ERA but a 6-15 record in his first professional year, at age 32 and didn't make the major leagues until age 34. He had 483 strikeouts in 1884, but no team brought him back for a second season because of his shitty personality.

He's also the oldest player that bb-ref has a birthday for but no death date. Happy 171st birthday, Hugh!

   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 17, 2018 at 10:53 AM (#5711132)
His nickname was "One Arm" because he was missing his left arm
And we say today's nicknames are unoriginal. I think HuDa would have been a little more creative.
   4. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 17, 2018 at 06:57 PM (#5711509)
   5. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 17, 2018 at 07:14 PM (#5711514)
100th anniversary of a pretty good pitchers duel.

That's awesome. 21 innings, 2 pitchers.
   6. AndrewJ Posted: July 17, 2018 at 07:15 PM (#5711515)
And 77 years ago tonight Joe DiMaggio tried, and failed, to extend his hitting streak to 57 games.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 17, 2018 at 07:20 PM (#5711519)
And 77 years ago tonight Joe DiMaggio tried, and failed, to extend his hitting streak to 57 games.

Famously because he refused to bunt while the 3B played him in short left field. After the one 0-fer, he then hit in another 16 straight.

So, with one bunt, it could have been 73 games.
   8. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: July 17, 2018 at 07:57 PM (#5711557)
So, with one bunt, it could have been 73 games.
Tell that to today's left-handed hitters.
   9. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 17, 2018 at 08:05 PM (#5711564)
Famously because he refused to bunt while the 3B played him in short left field. After the one 0-fer, he then hit in another 16 straight.

So, with one bunt, it could have been 73 games.


Did he really? In one PA he walked. In one there was a runner on second. In another, the bases were loaded. Did Keltner really play in in short left in those latter 2 situations? In the 4th PA he batted with no one on, so that one is possible.
   10. Red Voodooin Posted: July 18, 2018 at 02:40 AM (#5711784)
I thought the narrative was that Keltner made a couple tough plays that helped end the streak; have never heard that there was a specific strategy to play him differently?
   11. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: July 18, 2018 at 11:26 AM (#5711918)
“There will be no baseball war over the Perry case,”

Speaking of "no baseball" and "war", I've been expecting that these 100-years-ago clips would start talking about how the season may or may not be cut short because of backlash against able-bodied sportsmen cavorting on the diamond while our boys are off at the Great War.
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 18, 2018 at 11:42 AM (#5711936)
I thought the narrative was that Keltner made a couple tough plays that helped end the streak; have never heard that there was a specific strategy to play him differently?

The accounts I can find say he was playing him deep and towards to line. They don't say just how deep.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: July 18, 2018 at 12:01 PM (#5711946)
The accounts I can find say he was playing him deep and towards to line. They don't say just how deep.


That doesn't sound like a "bunt = free hit" situation.
   14. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: July 18, 2018 at 12:21 PM (#5711961)
The accounts I can find say he was playing him deep and towards to line. They don't say just how deep.


That doesn't sound like a "bunt = free hit" situation.


And again, at most there was one legit bunt opportunity in the game.

1st PA - runner on second, one out. You don't want your best hitter bunting there.

2nd PA - walk. I suppose he might have gotten a buntable pitch there, but who knows. And the result was exactly the same as a bunt single.

3rd PA - bases loaded. You certainly don't want to bunt there

4th PA - no one on. OK, he could have tried a bunt there.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: July 18, 2018 at 12:39 PM (#5711977)
"You don't want your best hitter bunting there."

I can guarantee you that the team would have been quite happy allowing Dimaggio to do whatever he wanted to do to keep that streak going. The streak was more important than the results of some random game. Moreover, snapper's contention is that Dimaggio passed the opportunity at what was essentially a free hit, and I think most of us agree that a free hit is a superior option in almost any situation, including with runners on base.
   16. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 18, 2018 at 04:58 PM (#5712174)
That doesn't sound like a "bunt = free hit" situation.

If he was basically at the edge of the dirt, it was probably pretty close. Players back then actually knew how to bunt, and Dimaggio was pretty fast.

A couple of the articles I've read suggest that a wet field also hurt DiMaggio that day, both by slowing his running, and slowing down the batted ball.

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