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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-22-2021

Philadelphia Evening Public Ledger, July 22, 1921:

The first story of the actual placing of bets during the 1919 World’s Series by men charged with the alleged conspiracy of White Sox players to throw the games as told from the witness stand in the baseball trial today by John O. Seys, secretary of the Chicago National League club.

Mr. Seys identified Louis Levi, of Kokomo, Ind., and Des Moines, Ia., a defendant, as one of the bettors. Seys said he and Clark Griffith, manager of the Washington baseball team, held stakes for bets made by Abe Attell and Levi.

I don’t think I’ve ever seen any allegations that Griffith was involved, even unwittingly.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 22, 2021 at 08:14 AM | 38 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 22, 2021 at 08:15 AM (#6029999)
A nice pitching staff on today's Birthday Team. To quote Edmundo from the 7-22-2019 Dugout, "This is the all penis team: 2 Johnsons, a Glasscock and Mike’s Weeney."

C/Manager: George Gibson (14.8 WAR)
1B: Mike Sweeney (24.8 WAR)
2B: Tim Johnson (-0.6 WAR)
3B: Art Kores (0.9 WAR)
SS: Pebbly Jack Glasscock (61.6 WAR)
"LF": Cliff Johnson (16.2 WAR)
CF: Doc Cramer (13.4 WAR)
RF: Jim Rivera (6.8 WAR)

SP: Dave Stieb (56.4 WAR)
SP: Jesse Haines (32.6 WAR)
SP: Scott Sanderson (27.7 WAR)
SP: Terris McDuffie (11.9 WAR)
SP: George Baumgardner (7.0 WAR)
RP: Sparky Lyle (23.2 WAR)
RP: Scot Shields (12.1 WAR)

Owner: Drayton McLane
NPB outfielder, five-time Central League All-Star, should probably platoon with Johnson based on whether the pitcher is a groundballer or flyballer: Kazuyoshi Yamamoto
Umpire: Chris Conroy
   2. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 09:31 AM (#6030004)
Cardinals' pitchers have now hit more batters in 2021 (70) than they did in their entire last 162-game season, in 2019 (69).

They're just 26 hit batters away from a new MLB record, with 66 games remaining. At their current pace they will break the record on September 1, against the Reds.

In addition to leading MLB in hit batters, the cardinals also lead MLB in walks, with 4.5/9ip.

Five Cardinals pitchers average better than 1 hit batter per 9ip, led by Jake Woodford, who's hit 7 batters in 31 ip (2.0 hbp/9).

Amazingly, six of their wildest relievers (Reyes, Hicks, Helsley, Junior Fernandez, Kodi Whitley, Tyler Webb), all of whom average at least 5.6 bb/9, have combined to hit zero batters in a cumulative 136.2 innings.
   3. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:00 AM (#6030009)
SP: Jesse Haines (32.6 WAR)

Haines, the "questionable" HoFer with the second-fewest WAR (35.7) of any MLB HoF starter (Rube Marquard has 34.8), was only the eighth pitcher since the mound was moved back in 1893 to win 200+ games with a single team. (The others were Kid Nichols, Eddie Plank, Christy Mathewson, Walter Johnson, non-HoFer Wilbur Cooper of the Pirates, and two non-HoF Tigers: George Mullin and Hooks Dauss).

Cy Young won 240 games with Cleveland, but 70 of those came in 1890-92.

Since Haines retired, in 1937, 23 others (several of whom were active when Haines retired) have since reached 200 wins with a single team:
4 Braves
3 Indians
3 Yankees
2 Dodgers
2 Giants
2 Phillies
2 Tigers
2 White Sox
1 Cardinal
1 Cub
1 Oriole

(my math may be a bit off but I think this list is correct)
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:08 AM (#6030010)
Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz.
Oriole: Jim Palmer
Cardinal: Bob Gibson
   5. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:13 AM (#6030011)
Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Maddux, Smoltz.
Oriole: Jim Palmer
Cardinal: Bob Gibson

Maddux only won 194 with the Braves.

4 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, XXXXX
3 Indians
3 Yankees
2 Dodgers
2 Giants
2 Phillies
2 Tigers
2 White Sox
1 Cardinal: Gibson
1 Cub
1 Oriole: Palmer
   6. SoSH U at work Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:16 AM (#6030012)
Phillies: Roberts and Carlton
Tigers: Lolich
White Sox: Pierce
Giants: Marichal and Perry?
Yankees: Ford and Pettitte
Braves: Niekro
Indians: Feller
   7. SoSH U at work Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:17 AM (#6030013)
White Sox: Lyons
   8. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:22 AM (#6030015)
Indians: Bob Lemon
Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
   9. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:27 AM (#6030016)
Phillies: Roberts and Carlton
Tigers: Lolich
White Sox: Pierce
Giants: Marichal and Perry?
Yankees: Ford and Pettitte
Braves: Niekro
Indians: Feller

Yes to all but Pierce and Perry
Indians: Bob Lemon
Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale

Yes!

4 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, Niekro
3 Indians: Feller, Lemon, XXXXXX
3 Yankees: Ford, Pettitee, XXXXXX
2 Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
2 Giants: Marichal, XXXXX
2 Phillies: Roberts, Carlton
2 Tigers: Lolich, XXXXXX
2 White Sox: Lyons, XXXXX
1 Cardinal: Gibson
1 Cub:
1 Oriole: Palmer
   10. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 10:30 AM (#6030017)
The remaining 5 pitchers were more or less contemporaries, and there's only 1 White Sox pitcher on the list, as I should have included Red Faber on the pre-1937 list.

4 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, Niekro
3 Indians: Feller, Lemon, XXXXXX
3 Yankees: Ford, Pettitee, XXXXXX
2 Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
2 Giants: Marichal, XXXXX
2 Phillies: Roberts, Carlton
2 Tigers: Lolich, XXXXXX
1 White Sox: Lyons
1 Cardinal: Gibson
1 Cub:
1 Oriole: Palmer
   11. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:04 AM (#6030019)
Wynn for the Indians, Ruffing for the Yankees, Newhouser for the Tigers?
   12. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:05 AM (#6030020)
nvm
   13. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:13 AM (#6030021)
Wynn for the Indians, Ruffing for the Yankees, Newhouser for the Tigers?

Yes on Ruffing and Newhouser.

4 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, Niekro
3 Indians: Feller, Lemon, XXXXXX
3 Yankees: Ford, Pettitee, Ruffing
2 Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
2 Giants: Marichal, XXXXX
2 Phillies: Roberts, Carlton
2 Tigers: Lolich, Newhouser
1 White Sox: Lyons
1 Cardinal: Gibson
1 Cub: XXXXXX
1 Oriole: Palmer

Of the three remainders, one is a HoFer, one is a figure in a well-known piece of baseball lore, and the other's nickname might've been "Try," but was in fact, "Chief," which I didn't know until I saw it on bb-ref.
   14. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:20 AM (#6030024)
Mel Harder and Fergie Jenkins?
   15. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:36 AM (#6030026)
Mel Harder and Fergie Jenkins?

Yes on Harder, for the Indians, no on Jenkins, who won "only" 167 games with the Cubs, and 141 of those in just 7 seasons.

4 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, Niekro
3 Indians: Feller, Lemon, Harder
3 Yankees: Ford, Pettitee, Ruffing
2 Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
2 Giants: Marichal, XXXXX
2 Phillies: Roberts, Carlton
2 Tigers: Lolich, Newhouser
1 White Sox: Lyons
1 Cardinal: Gibson
1 Cub: XXXXXX
1 Oriole: Palmer

The remaining two had careers that almost overlapped, and between the two of them had starts in every World Series between 1932-38 except for 1934.
   16. Eric L Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:51 AM (#6030028)
Cubs. Charlie Root
   17. Where have you gone Brady Anderson? Posted: July 22, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6030029)
Giants: Carl Hubbel
   18. salvomania Posted: July 22, 2021 at 12:48 PM (#6030034)
Yes on Root, yes on Hubbell.

Final list of all pitchers who have won 200+ games for one team, post-1892:

5 Braves: Spahn, Glavine, Smoltz, Niekro, Kid Nichols
4 Tigers: Lolich, Newhouser, George Mullin, Hooks Dauss
3 Indians: Feller, Lemon, Harder
3 Yankees: Ford, Pettitte, Ruffing
3 Giants: Marichal, Hubbell, Mathewson
2 Dodgers: Sutton, Drysdale
2 Phillies: Roberts, Carlton
2 White Sox: Lyons, Faber
2 Cardinals: Gibson, Haines
1 Athletic: Eddie Plank
1 Pirate: Wilbur Cooper
1 Senator/Twin: Walter Johnson
1 Cub: Root
1 Oriole: Palmer
   19. sanny manguillen Posted: July 22, 2021 at 01:41 PM (#6030043)
So no one from the Reds or Red Sox, or from any expansion team? Seaver got to 198 with the Mets.
   20. SoSH U at work Posted: July 22, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6030049)

So no one from the Reds or Red Sox, or from any expansion team? Seaver got to 198 with the Mets.


Clemens and Cy Young share the Red Sox team record for wins at 192. Tim Wakefield really wanted to take it, but he stalled at 186.

   21. Walt Davis Posted: July 22, 2021 at 06:19 PM (#6030078)
Kershaw is at 184 for the Dodgers so he's got a decent shot at it. Verlander made it to 183 with the Tigers and I suppose an end of career homecoming isn't out of the question. Wainwright is at 174 but hard to see how he could hang on that long. Among younger pitchers, there's no realistic chance -- Strasburg at 113 is the only other 100+ win single-team guy. He's still got 5 years on that contract but missing nearly all of 2020 (who didn't?) and 2021 put a serious dent in his chances.

Somebody can do the quiz tomorrow -- active 100+ game winners. #19 will surprise you!
   22. The Honorable Ardo Posted: July 22, 2021 at 07:32 PM (#6030085)
Eppa Rixey appears to be the all-time Reds leader with 179, unless I missed someone. Fun fact: Rixey accumulated 177 of them after turning 30.

Jim Maloney, the post-integration leader with 134, won all of them before age 30. "Eppa Maloney" would have a 313-229 record in about 4,600 innings and accumulate roughly 75 WAR - basically Tom Glavine's career.
   23. SandyRiver Posted: July 23, 2021 at 09:07 AM (#6030116)
For 1963-66 Maloney was a top-5 pitcher, 74-34, 235 k/yr (only Koufax had more), 135 ERA+. Then came 3 lesser years after which he forgot how to pitch (or hurt his arm) at age 30. One game in particular stands out, 6/14/65 against the light-hitting Mets in CIN. After a 3-up,3-down 1st, Ed Kranepool drew a leadoff walk. Maloney then retired 27 straight hitters, striking out 16. (Would total 18 for the game.) Johnny Lewis, not the greatest power hitter, parked Maloney's 1st pitch of the 11th over the fence, McMillan later singled, and that's all the Mets got from Maloney but won 1-0. Lewis later said he could barely see Maloney's heater and just swung where he thought the ball would be. (Perhaps some hyperbole there)
   24. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 23, 2021 at 09:40 AM (#6030121)
Maloney was always battling arm injuries later in his career, but, he tore an Achilles tendon early in the 1970 season, coming back for a few relief appearances at the end of the year, and then was left off the Reds postseason roster. Stuggled with injuries with the Angels in 1971. Tried to come back in 72, pitching fairly well in AAA, but, no big league call up came and he retired.
   25. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2021 at 10:16 AM (#6030128)
The Indians have selected their new name. While I would have preferred for them to go completely off the board, their selection, Guardians, is an excellent one. (It comes from the Guardians of Traffic from the Hope Memorial Bridge).
   26. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:04 AM (#6030136)
I wonder if it's intentional that it sorta rhymes with Indians. Seems perfectly fine to me, and I like that there's nothing similar to it in any of the nicknames of any other team in the Big Four sports. But the only thing that matters is if Dan Lee likes it.
   27. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:21 AM (#6030142)
I wonder if it's intentional that it sorta rhymes with Indians.


It seems pretty obvious to me that it is. Someone on Twitter joked that they only need to change half of their jerseys - just the side with the "In" to "Guar" and leave the "dians" side alone.
   28. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:25 AM (#6030143)
I wonder if it's intentional that it sorta rhymes with Indians.


It might have pushed the choice over the other contenders, but it's not as if they went looking for a name that ended in dians and chose Guardians over Comedians and Obsidians.
   29. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:31 AM (#6030144)
Obsidians would be a cool name. Comedians, not so much (although it harkens back to the old Negro League Indianapolis Clowns - who have no connection to Cleveland, of course, except presumably having played there a few times).
   30. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:35 AM (#6030146)
Given the recent history of the franchise, Tragedians would have worked.
   31. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 23, 2021 at 11:58 AM (#6030154)
Cleveland Statues on a Bridge, Weird.

Cuyahogas would have been good. Or Commodores, for O.H. Perry, of Battle of Lake Erie fame.
   32. SoSH U at work Posted: July 23, 2021 at 12:07 PM (#6030156)
Cuyahogas would have been good. Or Commodores,


I'm glad they got to choose the name, rather than you.

   33. CFBF is Obsessed with Art Deco Posted: July 23, 2021 at 12:12 PM (#6030158)
I was an advocate for "Guardians," so I'm thrilled.

The logos are kind of disappointing -- I'd go all in for Art Deco on the jerseys and in the stadium. But there's seemingly a reluctance among major sports franchises to be too distinct or idiosyncratic in design or branding.
   34. Kiko Sakata Posted: July 23, 2021 at 12:19 PM (#6030159)
The logos are kind of disappointing -- I'd go all in for Art Deco on the jerseys and in the stadium. But there's seemingly a reluctance among major sports franchises to be too distinct or idiosyncratic in design or branding.


The logo will change at some point. Going back to comments 26/27, I think they were pretty clearly trying for some continuity - the "Guardians" is in the same font/style as their current "Indians" and it looks like they've maintained their existing block-C and added a matching block-G. I can see not wanting to change too much too soon. Maybe in 5-10 years, they try to get a little more distinctively "Guardian"-esque.
   35. Traderdave Posted: July 23, 2021 at 01:17 PM (#6030174)
Cuyahogas would have been good. Or Commodores, for O.H. Perry, of Battle of Lake Erie fame.


The first would invite burning river jokes, the second would invite toilet jokes.

While I don't really give a shred of a damn about what the team calls itself, I do think Spiders would have been a better choice, or Naps or Blues or many others.
   36. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: July 23, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6030195)
If they'd gone with the Spiders it would have given Manfred an excuse to get his Spiderman bases.

Also: 'Guardians' is pukeworthy. It sounds too Arena Football for my taste.
   37. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 23, 2021 at 08:27 PM (#6030223)
Or Commodores, for O.H. Perry, of Battle of Lake Erie fame.


Considering who his brother was, that might have made it remarkably difficult for them to ever sign another Japanese player...

from wiki: "90% of school children in Japan can identify him...(in) portraits created by the Japanese, he looks like a fat and ugly dimwit. The Japanese perceived him as a person with little respect. Japanese woodblock prints of Perry show him with droopy, wide eyes and an elongated nose and face. In some, his features are exaggerated to the extent of making him appear demonic and goblin-like. They make him out to be a stereotypical "blue-eyed, hairy barbarian." These blue eyes are something associated with the West, although the blue is used in the whites of the eyes rather than the iris. Blue eyes are something as foreign to Japanese as the West itself. The prints are more than just unique artist interpretations—they speak to the collective view of Perry. He is depicted, both in prints and in writing, as stern, uptight, and unpleasant. These perceptions have carried over into the Japanese perception of Western civilization as a whole. The Japanese perceived Perry as so because of the control he was trying to obtain in Japan. It is probable that Perry represented the parts of Western Civilization that the Japanese did not like, or were afraid of."
   38. bobm Posted: July 26, 2021 at 01:02 PM (#6030445)
https://sabr.org/research/article/beyond-eight-men-out-the-des-moines-connection-to-the-black-sox-scandal/

[...] It was probably after this meeting that Zelcer reportedly telegraphed his brother Abe in Des Moines to “pawn the family heirlooms and gamble it all on Cincinnati.” In addition to meeting with the players, Zelcer and his associates devoted substantial time to working the lobby of the Sinton for bets. Attell and Lou Levi even managed to persuade Washington manager Clark Griffith and Chicago Cubs Secretary John O. Seys to hold the stakes for some of their bets. Seys ended up holding $2,250 in bets for the pair, and actually paid off on some of them on his return to Chicago after the second game.[fn]Register, July 19, 1921, 5; July 20, 1921, 1.4; Evening Tribune, July 20, 1921, 1; Capital, July 20, 1921, 1, 14; September 29, 1920, 1; News, September 28, 1920, 1; Nonpareil, July 23, 1921, 1; Daily Times, July 22, 1921, 1.[/fn] [...]

On July 22, the prosecution presented its case against Ben and Lou Levi with John O. Seys, Secretary of the Chicago Cubs, as their principal witness. Seys identified the brothers as being among those taking bets on the World Series in the lobby of the Sinton Hotel the night before the first game. Seys then related how he and Washington Manager Clark Griffith were approached by Lou Levi and Abe Attell, who “were taking turns making bets that Cincinnati would win the first game, giving odds of 6 to 5 and that Cincinnati would win the series.”

Seys also testified that “Attell told him he was not betting on Cincinnati in the third game as he thought Pitcher Dick Kerr would win for Chicago.” Finally, Seys told how Attell and Levi persuaded he and Griffith to hold the stakes for their bets. Seys stated that he ended up holding bets for the pair in the amount of $2,250 and that he paid off on some of these in Chicago on the day of the third game.[fn]Evening Tribune, July 22, 1921, 1; Nonpareil, July 23, 1921, 1; Daily Times, July 22, 1921, 1; Capital, July 22, 1921, 1; Register, July 23, 1921, 1-2.[/fn][...]

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