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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-29-2021

Washington Times, July 29, 1921:

Mayor Peters has asked Harry H. Frazee, president of the Boston American League Baseball Club, whether a reduction in the price of admission tickets to Fenway Park, home grounds of the Red Sox, was not possible.

In a letter to Frazee the mayor said he was informed that the charge of 85 cents for bleacher and $1.10 for grandstand seats was in excess of the prices charged by other major league clubs throughout the country.

Makes sense. It’s just too bad he didn’t have a draw like Babe Ruth to justify those prices.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 29, 2021 at 08:17 AM | 13 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 29, 2021 at 08:18 AM (#6031154)
A good Birthday Team today, particularly once you add Yamada to the starting rotation. Don Wert isn't really a shortstop, but with Cutshaw locked in at second, one of Wert and Luis Alicea has to play short. Wert spent more time there, so he gets the nod.

Also, happy birthday to Earl Moore, the greatest ballplayer to come out of my adopted hometown of Pickerington, Ohio. He won an ERA title, was the first pitcher in American League history to throw nine hitless innings in a game, and after his career taught kids in Pickerington to pitch.

C: Jack Meyers (25.2 WAR)
1B: Dan Driessen (20.5 WAR)
2B: George Cutshaw (16.2 WAR)
3B: Luis Alicea (11.9 WAR)
SS: Don Wert (9.4 WAR)
LF: Gary Thomasson (6.8 WAR)
CF: Emmet Heidrick (15.9 WAR)
RF: Sam Dungan (5.2 WAR)

SP/Manager: Hisashi Yamada (NPB Hall of Famer, Pacific League MVP 1976, 1977, 1978)
SP: Earl Moore (26.9 WAR)
SP: Chad Billingsley (17.2 WAR)
SP: Dave LaPoint (7.0 WAR)
SP: Ken Kravec (5.4 WAR)
RP: Greg Minton (17.4 WAR)
RP: Mike Adams (10.1 WAR)

General Manager: Cedric Tallis
Not that one: Ryan Braun
Fun name, not to be confused with Patrick Kluivert: Dutch Stryker
   2. sanny manguillen Posted: July 29, 2021 at 09:11 AM (#6031161)
Repeat from yesterday's Omnichatter: Pirates' Rodolfo Castro now has five hits in the majors, all homers.
   3. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 29, 2021 at 10:10 AM (#6031171)
Gary Thomasson and Greg Minton, teammates on the Giants throughout the late 1970s, were born on the exact same day. Driessen and Kravec were also born on that day, July 29, 1951. Four major leaguers born on the same day seems like a lot.
   4. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:57 AM (#6031193)
85 cents for bleacher and $1.10 for grandstand seats

Even adjusted for inflation, that's still only $12.90 and $16.70, respectively. (According to SeatGeek, there's nothing in Fenway under thirty bucks for tonight's game against the Blue Jays, with the equivalent of "grandstand seats" well into triple figures.)
   5. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 29, 2021 at 12:52 PM (#6031214)
Official inflation rates are a joke.
On the wall beside a ramp at Fenway behind section 25 there are copies of newspaper front pages from days in 1912, 1915, 1916 and 1918 when the Sox won the series. On each newspaper page are ads for this or that restaurant's steak dinner or roast beef dinner. The prices advertised are about 25 cents in the 1912 paper going up to 50 cents in the 1918 paper. What's a steak dinner cost today? Twice the cost of a steak dinner sure as hell isn't any $16.70.
   6. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 29, 2021 at 02:38 PM (#6031254)
Official inflation rates are a joke.

They're a bundle of goods. Good with limited supplies have way outpaced average inflation; e.g. prime real estate, college tuition, entertainment tickets, while mass produced manufactures have actually gone down in price. You'll pay less today in nominal dollars for a TV or a computer than you did in 1990.
   7. Nasty Nate Posted: July 29, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6031260)
In a letter to Frazee the mayor said he was informed that the charge of 85 cents for bleacher and $1.10 for grandstand seats was in excess of the prices charged by other major league clubs throughout the country.
Plus the 20 cent per ticket handling fee and the 10 cent per order transaction fee!
   8. Sweatpants Posted: July 29, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6031264)
Gary Thomasson and Greg Minton, teammates on the Giants throughout the late 1970s, were born on the exact same day. Driessen and Kravec were also born on that day, July 29, 1951. Four major leaguers born on the same day seems like a lot.
Greg Maddux and David Justice were born on April 14, 1966, and played on the same team from 1993-96. The only other player born on that day was Greg Myers, a teammate of both men but never at the same time.

The 1993-96 Braves had three April 14 babies on the club, with Steve Avery born a few years after Maddux and Justice.
   9. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 29, 2021 at 03:42 PM (#6031270)
#6. You're way undershooting the reality of it. You picked the two items that have radically improved via technology. And the Bureau of Labor Statistics has something to account for this, they call it the "hedonics adjustment". If you pay $800 for a computer in 2016 with 1 GB of ram and you pay $800 for one in 2021 with 4 GB of ram then you can say, with some justification, that the price for that same computer, for one with the same degree of features, went down. Do you know what else the BLS applies hedonics adjustments to? Things like mens'suits and children's clothing. Have they come out with some new high tech lapel technology since you last bought a suit?

And what's happened to the price of steak? Rice? Butter? Cars?

I don't know why they stopped putting it out but there was a site that put out a simple, unfudged measure of inflation called the Chapwood Index that was issued for around 7 or 8 years. It was based on the price of the 500 most commonly bought items in all the major metro markets in the U.S. Rent, cars, insurance, steak, laundry detergent, etc etc with no hedonics adjustments or other Bureau of Labor Statistics fraud. If a bottle of Scope mouthwash went up from $2 to $3 then the price went up 50%, period. And the chapwood index showed approximately 10% inflation in every major U.S. metro market for the last 7 years. Not 1% per year or 2%. 10. That's the reality that people face. But the BLS puts out these risible stats and it allows them to f*** over my parents and anyone else on social security. Inflation's actually 10% but the BLS says there was almost none. They get almost zero cost of living adjustment and their purchasing power declines.

There's a rule of thumb called the rule of 72. If an interest rate multiplied by the years over which it's applied equals 72 then prices doubled or the value of a holding doubled. If you have 10%+ inflation for 7 years then prices have effectively doubled. The U.S. gov't wants to piss down everyone's leg and tell them it's just a gentle rain.
   10. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: July 29, 2021 at 04:26 PM (#6031273)
I don't know why they stopped putting it out but there was a site that put out a simple, unfudged measure of inflation called the Chapwood Index that was issued for around 7 or 8 years. It was based on the price of the 500 most commonly bought items in all the major metro markets in the U.S. Rent, cars, insurance, steak, laundry detergent, etc etc with no hedonics adjustments or other Bureau of Labor Statistics fraud. If a bottle of Scope mouthwash went up from $2 to $3 then the price went up 50%, period. And the chapwood index showed approximately 10% inflation in every major U.S. metro market for the last 7 years. Not 1% per year or 2%. 10. That's the reality that people face. But the BLS puts out these risible stats and it allows them to f*** over my parents and anyone else on social security. Inflation's actually 10% but the BLS says there was almost none. They get almost zero cost of living adjustment and their purchasing power declines.

A fixed basket of goods, and not adjusting for quality is ridiculous. A 2020 new car is much, much better than a 1980 new car. One will last 20 years and 200,000 miles, the other was a write-off after 5-7 years and 80,000 miles. A typical 1980 single family home was 1500 sq ft, now it's 2500+. You can't compare the price of those two houses without adjustment. With healthcare, the quality gap is even more massive. Also, people shift their consumption to adjust for prices, so fixing the basket ignores reality.
   11. salvomania Posted: July 29, 2021 at 04:29 PM (#6031274)
When I was a kid in the early '70s I bought baseball cards for 10 cents a pack.

I feel as if a similar pack today is like $1.99. So that's a 2000% percent increase over 50 years.
   12. Rough Carrigan Posted: July 29, 2021 at 11:31 PM (#6031498)
My god.
Quit apologizing for the predations of the state.

Is the 2021 car 20% better than the 2019 car?
Is the 2021 steak any better than the 2019 steak?
Is the 2021 bar of soap any better than the 2019 bar of soap?
Is the 2021 bag or box of rice any better than the 2019 bag or box of rice?
Is the 2021 laundry detergent any better than the 2019 laundry detergent?
Is the 2021 washing machine any better than the 2019 washing machine? (actually it's less reliable than the one from 40 years ago, but that's another story)
Is the 2021 shampoo any better than the 2019 shampoo?
Is the 2021 bag of grapes any better than the 2019 bag of grapes?
Is the 2021 green tea any better than the 2019 green tea?
Is the 2021 razor any better than the 2019 razor?
Is the 2021 shaving cream any better than the 2019 shaving cream?
Is the 2021 box of pasta any better than the 2019 box of pasta?
Is the 2021 butter any better than the 2019 butter?

I could go on for 485 more lines and, yes, today's car is probably better than the car 50 years ago but it ain't really better than the car two years ago, nor is today's house better than the one from two years ago, yet the car and the house both cost significantly more than the ones from two years past.

Your argument fits no one's experience nor the cumulative facts. How can anyone who's been in a store the last 4 years deny that actual inflation significantly exceeds the BLS and Fed proclamations that it's almost non-existent?
   13. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: July 30, 2021 at 07:00 AM (#6031527)
College tuition has increased roughly 1000% in the last 50 years...after you adjust for inflation!

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