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Monday, July 05, 2021

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 7-5-2021

Indiana Daily Times, July 5, 1921:

Trial of “baseball’s outlaws” and alleged gamblers became an actuality today when Judge Hugo Friend overruled the motion of the defendants to throw the cases out of court. He ordered picking of the jury to proceed.
...
Ring W. Lardner, humorist and sports writer, is to be one of the most important witnesses for the State, it is said. Ring is to tell the jury what he knows of the baseball scandal.
...
The defense will produce records of the games in dispute in an effort to show they played better ball in the world series than ever before.

I’d love to hear someone explain to me how Risberg and Felsch hitting a combined .137/.224/.196 with six errors between them is them playing better than ever before.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 05, 2021 at 07:36 AM | 97 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: July 05, 2021 at 07:37 AM (#6027669)
A nice pitching staff on today's Birthday Team, if they can avoid losing their cool at the guy attempting to catch. Fun thing I learned a few years ago: If you type "clank" into the search bar at BBRef, it immediately takes you to Curt Blefary's page.

Gossage obviously isn't really a starting pitcher, but he's the best pitcher on the team so I put him atop the rotation. Hadley was kind of an accumulator: led the league in losses once, earned runs allowed twice, walks allowed twice, and hit batsmen once. The WAR total is strong, but Bump put up a negative WAA in as many seasons as he had a positive WAA.

I'm not entirely sure what to do with Ohtani - he's clearly one of the best baseball players to have been born on July 5, but he hasn't really played outfield in MLB and he only has 113.1 career IP. A limitation of not having a DH on the roster, I guess, but it's my thing and I don't like the DH. So there.

"Catcher": Curt Blefary (11.0 WAR)
1B: Gordy Coleman (7.4 WAR)
2B: Jack Farrell (18.7 WAR)
3B: Jim Baxes (1.0 WAR)
SS: Jorge Polanco (9.2 WAR)
LF: Gary Matthews Sr. (30.4 WAR)
CF: Beals Becker (8.0 WAR)
RF: Ward Miller (9.3 WAR)

SP: Rich Gossage (41.2 WAR)
SP: Bump Hadley (35.1 WAR)
SP: Marco Estrada (12.5 WAR)
SP: Hod Eller (9.6 WAR)
SP: Lee Viau (8.9 WAR)
RP: Jesse Crain (11.4 WAR)
RP: Tim Worrell (8.7 WAR)

Manager: Bo Porter
Owner/Destroyed American soccer for 70 years: Charles Stoneham
Top prospect/Unicorn: Shohei Ohtani (11.0 WAR)
Arbitrator: Don Wollett
Designated submariner: Jeff Innis (4.6 WAR)
Fun name: Chub Aubrey
Pitching coach: Dave Eiland
   2. JJ1986 Posted: July 05, 2021 at 08:06 AM (#6027670)
No day games on this observed holiday, but I guess there are almost no wraparound series anymore.
   3. JJ1986 Posted: July 05, 2021 at 08:31 AM (#6027671)
The Mets has the biggest division lead in baseball about a week ago but since then the Brewers and Red Sox have surged and the Cubs and Indians have collapsed and 3.5 games in now tied for the fourth largest division lead.
   4. The Honorable Ardo Posted: July 05, 2021 at 12:15 PM (#6027694)
Ohtani plays right field and pitches every fifth day if I'm managing. And the Goose is in the pen.

There's plenty of starting depth (Jimmy Dygert, Arnie Portocarrero) fronting a modern wipeout bullpen with Gossage, Worrell, Crain, Innis, and Tony Cingrani. I shudder even to mention him, but Felipe Vazquez is staying behind bars where he belongs.
   5. vortex of dissipation Posted: July 05, 2021 at 01:56 PM (#6027702)
Ohtani is already fourth on today's birthday team in career MLB home runs. Add in his NPB home runs, and he's second.
   6. AndrewJ Posted: July 05, 2021 at 05:13 PM (#6027714)
Gary Matthews, Sr. was never Cooperstown-worthy, but he could deliver. That homer he launched in the final game of the 1983 NLCS could have easily landed in Trenton.
   7. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:12 PM (#6027824)
TRIVIA QUESTION:
It's a big one, but if enough people are willing to work at it, a group effort should get to work on this one.

Joey Votto recently recorded his 1,000th RBI. Obviously, all have come with the Reds. He's at least the 107th player to record 1,000 RBIs with one franchise. Can you name any of the 106 pre-Votto guys to do it?
   8. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:17 PM (#6027826)
Hank Aaron
   9. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:19 PM (#6027827)
Post #8
DING!

KEY POINT TO ADD: Please give player and team for all future guesses. It usually doesn't make a difference (it doesn't here, but at times it might).

Aaron had 2202 RBI with the Braves, the most by any player with any one team.
   10. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:21 PM (#6027828)
Mays - Giants
Mantle - Yankees
Killebrew - Sens/Twins
Ott - Giants
Yaz - Red Sox
Kaline - Tigers
   11. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:30 PM (#6027830)
Post #10:
Mays - DING! 1859. 7th most (but not the franchies leader). One of five Giants.
Mantle - DING! 1509. 22nd most. 4th most by a Yankee. 1 of 13 Yankees.
Killebrew - DING! 1540. Tied for 17th. Franchise leader. 1 of 6 from that franchies.
Ott - DING! 1860. 6th most. One more than Mays for franchise leader.
Yaz - DING! 1844. 8th most. Franchise leader. 1 of 6 Red Sox.
Kaline - DING! 1582. 16th most. 2nd most in Tigers history. 1 of 11 Tigers.
   12. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:34 PM (#6027831)
Knock some modern ones out:

Frank Thomas - White Sox
Manny Ramirez - Red Sox
David Ortiz - Red Sox
A-Rod - Yankees
Does Ryan Zimmerman have 1000 for the Nats?
Paul Konerko - White Sox
Miguel Cabrera - Tigers
Edgar Martinez - Mariners
Tim Salmon and/or Garrett Anderson - Angels
Jeff Bagwell and Craig Biggio - Astros
Cal Ripken - Os
Mike Schmidt - Phillies
Tony Gwynn - Padres
Barry Bonds - Giants
Todd Helton - Rockies
   13. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:39 PM (#6027832)
Ted Williams, Red Sox
Jim Rice, Red Sox
Clemente, Pirates
Alan Trammell, Tigers
   14. sanny manguillen Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6027833)
Pirates: Stargell, Wagner, P. Waner, Traynor
   15. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:42 PM (#6027834)
Kirby Puckett, Twins
Kent Hrbek, Twins
Tony Oliva, Twins
Eddie Murray, Orioles
Ernie Banks, Cubs
Willie McCovey, Giants
Willie Stargell, Pirates
   16. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:44 PM (#6027836)
Yankees: Gehrig, Ruth, DiMaggio, Berra
   17. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:44 PM (#6027837)
C. Jones - Braves
Cobb - Tigers
Bench - Reds
Brett - Royals

   18. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 01:54 PM (#6027839)
Post #12:
Ripken? DING! 1695. O's franchise leader - highest of 4 from that franchise. 11st movst overall.
Schmidt? DING! 1595. PHI franchise leader. Highest of 4 on the list. #15 overall.
Thomas - DING! 1465. 24th place. Franchise leader. 1 of 3 listed.
Ortiz. DING! 1530. 20th place. 3rd place in BOX out of 6 listed.
Bagwell? DING! 1529. Highest ranked of 3 Astros. Rank: 21st.
Barry Bonds? DING! 1440. #3 Giant out of 5. #27 overall.
Todd Helton? DING! 1406. Only Rockie. Tied for #31
Konerko. DING! 1383. 35th place. 2nd of 3 White Sox.
Garrett Anderson? DING! 1292. You named both Angels. Ranks 43rd overall.
Edgar? DIGN! 1261. Marinres franchise leader - 1 other Mariner to name. Ranks 49th overall.
M. Cabrera? DING! 1237 (as of a few days ago when I looked it up): Ranked 6th out of 11 Tigers.
Craig Biggio? DING! 1175. 2nd of the 3 Astros in ranking. Rank 64th overall.
Tony Gwynn? DING! 1138. Only Padre. #70 overall.
A-Rod? DING! 1096. 76th place. 11th out of 13 Yankees
Zimmerman? DING! 1039. He's the only guy from that franchise on the list. Tied for 97th place
Tim Salmon? DING! 1016. 2nd of the 2 Angels, both of whom you named. Rank 101

Manny? Nope. Too many years in Cleveland. (He's no for that franchise, too - too many years in Boston).
   19. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:04 PM (#6027841)
B. Robinson - Orioles
F. Robinson - Orioles
Greenberg - Tigers
Berkman - Astros
13 Yanks, huh?
Jeter, Williams, Mattingly
   20. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:09 PM (#6027842)
Jorge Posada - Yankees?
   21. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:14 PM (#6027843)
Post #13:
Teddy Ballgame? DING! 1839. #9 overall. #2 rank on Boston. 3 left to name from that frnchise.
Jim Rice? DING! 1451. 25th overall. #4 wtih Boston - 2 more Red Sox to name
Clemente?> DING! 1305. 3rd rank on Pirate. 1st named - 4 more to name. #42 overall.
Trammell? DING! 1003. 11th of 11 Tigers. 8 still to mention. Ranks 105th overall

Post #14:
Strgell: DING! 1540. Franchise leader & tied for #17 overall.
Wagner? DING! 1474. #23 overall.
Paul Waner? DING! 1273. #46 overll
Pie Traynor? DING! 1177. #63 overall. THIS CLOSES OUT THE PIRATES.

Post #15
Hrbek: DING! 1086
Puckett? DING! 1085. That's all the Twins. But there are two Senators to name.
Olivia? Nope.
Murray? DING! 1224. 2 more O's to name.
Banks? DING! 1636. 2nd most of the Cubs. First of 8 Cubs to name.
McCovey? DING! 1388. Last SF Giant, but one more NY Giant to name.

Post #16
DING! DING! DING! DING! Between that and the previous Mantle guess, that's all top five Yankees. W/ A-Rod guess. it's 6 of the 13 Yankees named so far.

Post #17
Chipper? DING! 1623. 3 more Braves to name.
Brett? DING! 1596. 1 more Royal to name.
Cobb? DING! 1811. Franchise leader. 7 more Tigers to name.
Bench? DING! 1376. Franchise leader. 4 more to name (not including Votto).
   22. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:19 PM (#6027845)
Mathews - Braves
Gordon - Royals
Rose - Reds
Perez - Reds
Larkin - Reds
   23. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:20 PM (#6027846)
Ty Cobb - Detroit
Honus Wagner - Pittsburgh
Sam Crawford - Detroit(?) maybe, i know he started his career and played a few years for the Reds.
Al Simmons - Philadelphia A's

13 Yankees...

Ruth
Gehrig
Mantle
DiMaggio
Berra
Jeter
Mattingly
Arod
Lazzeri


   24. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:21 PM (#6027847)
Post #19
Brooks? DING! 1357. 1 more Oriole to name.
Frank R - BAL? Nope. Not that franchise for this player. So there's a hint...
Greenberg? DING! 1200. 5 Tigers named, 6 Tigers to name.
Berkman? DING! 1090. Closes out the Astros. #77 overall.
Jeter? DING! 1311
Bernie? DING! 1257
Matingly? DING! 1099.

Post #20:
Posada? DING! 1065. 3 more Yankees to name.

Almost half named. I'll post the current leaderboard in a second...
   25. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:22 PM (#6027848)
Through post #21:

LEADERBOARD
1. Hank Aaron, ATL, 2202, JJ1986
2. Lou Gehrig, NYY, 1995, Nawrocki.
3. Babe Ruth, NYY, 1978. Nawrocki.
4.
5.
6. Mel Ott, SFG, 1860. SoSH.
7. Willie Mays, SFG, 1859. SoSH.
8. Carl Yaz. BOX, 1844. SoSH.
9. Teddy F. ballgame. BOX, 1839. Nawrocki
10. Ty Cobb, DET, 1811. SoSH.
11. Cal Ripken Jr., BAL, 1695. JJ1986.
12. Ernie Banks, CHC, 1636. Naworkci.
13. Chipper Jones, ATL, 1623. SoSH
14. George Brett, KCR, 1596. SoSH
15. Mike Schmidt, PHI, 1595. SoSH.
16. Al Kaline, DET, 1582. SoSH.
17t. Harmon Killebrew, MIN, 1540. SoSH.
17t. Willie Stargell, PIT, 1540, sanny manguillen.
19. Joe DiMaggio, NYY, 1537. Nawrocki.
20. David Ortiz, BOX, 1530. JJ1986
21. Jeff Bagwell, STL, 1529. JJ1986.
22. Mickey Mantle, NYY, 1509. SoSH.
23. Honus Wagner, PIT, 1474. sanny manguillen.
24. Frank Thomas, CWS, 1465. JJ1986
25. Jim Rice, BOX, 1451. Nawrocki.
26.
27. Barry Bonds, SFG, 1440. JJ1986
28. Yogi Berra, NYY, 1430. Nawrocki.
29.
30.
31t. Todd Helton, COL, 1406. JJ1986
31t.
33t. Willie McCovey, SFG, 1388. Nawrocki.
33t.
35. Paul Konerko, CWS, 1383. JJ1986
36. Johnny Bench, CIN, 1376. SoSH.
37. Brooks Robinson, BAL, 1357. SoSH.
38.
39.
40.
41. Derek Jeter, NYY, 1311. SoSH.
42. Roberto Clemente, PIT, 1305. Nawrocki.
43. Garrett Anderson, LAA, 1292. JJ1986
44.
45.
46. Paul Waner, PIT, 1273. sanny manguillen
47.
48.
49. Edgar Martinez, SEA, 1261. JJ1986
50. Bernie Williams, NYY, 1257. SoSH.
51.
52.
53. Miguel Cabrera, DET, 1237 (as of a few days ago). JJ1986
54. Eddie Murray, BAL, 1224. Nawrocki.
55.
56.
57.
58. Hank Greenberg, DET, 1200. SoSH.
59.
60.
61.
62.
63. Pie Traynor, PIT, 1177. sanny manguillen
64. Craig Biggio, HOU, 1175. JJ1986
65.
66.
67.
68.
69.
70. Tony Gwynn, SDP, 1138. JJ1986
71.
72.
73.
74.
75. Don Mattingly, 1099, NYY. SoSH.
76. A-Rod. 1096, NYY. JJ1986
77. Lance Berkman, 1090, HOU. SoSH.
78.
79. Kent Hrbek 1086, MIN. Nawrocki
80. Kirby Puckett 1085, MIN. Nawrocki.
81.
82.
83.
84.
85.
86.
87.
88.
89. Jorge Posada, NYY, 1065. JJ1986.
90.
91.
92.
93.
94.
95.
96.
97t. Ryan Zimmerman, WSN, 1039. JJ1986
97t.
99.
100.
101. Tim Salmon, LAA, 1016. JJ1986.
102.
103.
104.
105. Alan Trammell, DET, 1003. Nawworkci.
106.
107.
   26. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:24 PM (#6027849)
Larkin did not get to 1000 rbi.

It would be Bench, Rose, Perez, Frank Robinson?, Ted Klusewski? George Foster (led nl in Rbi 3 straight years including 149 in '77).
   27. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:28 PM (#6027850)
Post #22
Mathews? DING! 1388. 2 more Braves to name.
Gordon? Nope. The remaining Royal is someone else.
Rose? DING! 1036
Perez? DING! 1192
Larkin? Nope. 2 more Reds to name.

Post #23
Crawford: DING! 1262. Five more Tigers to name.
Al Simmons? DING! 1179. A's franchise leader. 2 more A's to name. Neither are Oakland A's. Or KC A's.
Lazzeri? DING! 1157. 2 more Yankees named.

All others in post #23 were already named.
   28. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6027852)
Post #26
F.Robinson - CIN? DING! 1009. Barely
Klu? NOpe

One more Red to name. He played in the 19th century. He played there a long time, but it was all in the 19th century.
   29. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:30 PM (#6027853)
sorry, i was skimming through and missed those names. everyone started blending together. :-)
   30. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:32 PM (#6027854)
has to be HOFer Bid McPhee for the Red
   31. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6027855)
Home Run Baker and Eddie Collins for the A's?
   32. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:36 PM (#6027856)
Detroit - Lou Whitaker, Harry Heilmann?

and, maybe I am missing him in the list, but,

Albert Pujols, St. Louis
   33. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6027861)
Gordon? Nope. The remaining Royal is someone else.


Then I'd have to guess Mike Sweeney.

   34. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6027862)
Cap Anson, Billy Williams, Ron Santo for the Cubs

   35. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:39 PM (#6027863)
Some info, team-by-team

Cardinals
Not a single guess yet. 6 guys

Cubs
8 players on the list, only one named so far (Banks)

Reds
1 guy left - 19th century infielder

Pirates - closed out. As are Padres, Rockies, Nationals, and Asstros.

Brewers
2 to name. None named yet.

Giants
One New York Giant Hall of Famer.

Dodgers
No guesses yet. 4 to name

Phillies
Of the 4 guys, only one (Schmidt) has been named.

Braves
2 to name - both from the Atlanta days, too.

Toronto
One player. Not yet named

Orioles
One left to name

Red Sox
Two left to name. One Hall of Famer and one sabermetric darling.

Yankees
2 left to name. Both from pre-Stengel dynasties.

Royals:
Brett named, one other Royal not yet named. Teammate of Brett.

MN/WAS
Got the Twins, but need 2 Senators.

DET:
5 to name.
   36. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:40 PM (#6027864)
Hal McRae for the Royals
   37. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:41 PM (#6027866)
Musial - Cardinals
   38. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:42 PM (#6027867)
Robin Yount for the Brewers
Goose Goslin for the Senators
   39. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:44 PM (#6027868)
Ryan Braun - other Brewer
Sam Rice - Sens
Duke Snider - Dodgers
Dale Murphy - Braves
   40. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6027870)
Post #30
Bid McPhee? DING! Closes out the Reds. 1072

Post #31
Nope ane nope. You're going too far back.

Post #32:
Whitaker? DING! 1084
Heilmann? DING! 1446. 3 more Tigers. All from different decades. All before Whitaker.

Post #33
Sweeney? Nope. The remaining Royal was a teammate of Brett.

Post #34:
Anson? DING! Franchise leader
Williams? DING!
Santo? DING! With this and Banks, 4 of the top 5 have been named - but missing #3.
   41. Ron J Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:46 PM (#6027871)
Musial not named?
   42. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:47 PM (#6027872)
Dodgers

Duke Snider, Pee Wee Reese, Jackie?

Bill Terry for the New York Giant?
   43. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6027873)
Sandberg and Sosa for the Cubs. Norm Cash and Hank Greenberg for the Tigers.
   44. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6027874)
Mark Grace, Sammy Sosa - Cubs
   45. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6027875)
32 also had Albert Pujols. He has to be on the Cards list. 11 years, never had fewer than 99 rbi in a season...
   46. Ron J Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:48 PM (#6027876)
Cubs: Gabby Hartnett
   47. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:49 PM (#6027877)
I wouldn't have guessed Carlos Delgado got there, but he has to be the Jays leader, so Carlos Delgado - TOR.
   48. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:50 PM (#6027878)
Jimmie Foxx for the A's? don't see him on the list, but, i am starting to go blind staring at the names on the list. :-)
   49. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:55 PM (#6027879)
Post #32
I missd the Pujols guess - DING! 1329.

Post #36
Hal McRae - DING! Closes out the Royals. 1012.

Post #37
Musial? DING! (Finally!) 1951 .Only guy in the top 28 (!) not yet named. Next highest is a consistent hitting infielder with 1,427 RBIs with Detroit.

Post #38
Yount? DING! 1406. The other Brewer to name is in the 21st century.
Goslin? Nope. One Senator is a Hall of Famer who has the same last name of an AL player already named. The other was a four decade player (1930s-60s). ACUTALLY: Three are 3 Senators. Sorry about that. The other one .... is forgettable. Alliterative initials. Best clue I have for you to judge this guy by, sorry.

Post #39
Braun? DING! 1154. Closes out Milwaukee.
Sam Rice? DING! Well, of the 3 Senators, that's one of them. 1044. Most by any Senator. He's the near 3000-hit guy.
Snider? DING! 1271. Dodger leader. 3 Dodgers still to name - including 2 teammates of Snider.
   50. Ron J Posted: July 06, 2021 at 02:58 PM (#6027882)
#49 Gehringer -- Tigers
   51. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6027885)
Gil Hodges for the Dodgers
   52. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:02 PM (#6027886)
Alliterative initials. Best clue I have for you to judge this guy by, sorry.



Joe Judge? :-)
   53. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:03 PM (#6027888)
Post #42
Nope and nope on Dodger guesses.
Terry? DING! That closes out the Giants. 1078.

Post #43:
Sandberg & Sosa? DING & DING 1061 and 1414. 2 Cubs to name.
Cash? DING! (Greenberg alrady named). 1088. 2 Tigers - both pre-integration.

Post #44
Grace? DING! 1004. Just one more Cub to hit out into the gloamin.

Post #46
Hartnett: DING! That closes out the Cubs. 1153.

Post #47
Delgardo? DING! Closes out TOR. 1058

Post #48
Foxx? DING! 1075. One A's guy left. Not a Hall of Famer. One of the more obscure names on the list - even his last name is generic. 1930s/40s, I think - not even there for one of the great A's runs.
   54. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6027889)
Dale Murphy - Braves
Mize, Hornsby - Cards
   55. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:08 PM (#6027890)
Post #50
Gehringer? DING! 1427. One Tiger left. Outfielder. I believe he later went to the Yankees and became the only guy to ever pinch hit for Babe Ruth. (That also dates him: at the end of his line, he was on Ruth's Yankees)

Post #51
Hodges? DING! One of Duke's teammates. 2 Dodgers left - one from the 1950s and one from the Wilbert Robinon era. Both outfielders.

Post #52
Joe Judge? DING! 1001. Who cares about him, though? One Senator to go. First baseman from 1939-60 (from memory).

Currently, the top guy left ranks #39. Outfielder for the Red Sox in the 1970s/80s.

Only one other player in the top 50 left - a slugger outfiedler who died at Niagara Falls in 1903.
   56. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:09 PM (#6027891)
Dwight Evans?
Big Ed Delahanty
   57. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:12 PM (#6027892)
Post #54:
Dale Murphy: DING! 1143. One Brave left. Oddly enough, it's someone from the last 20-25 years. I guess we all remember how he flamed out after a fantastic start to his career.

Hornsby? DING! 1072
Mize? Nope.

3 Cardinals left. One infielder from around the 1960s. One Hall of Fame outfielder from the 1940s or so. One Hall of Fame infielder from the 1920s/30s (not Frisch, but a teammate, of course).
   58. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:12 PM (#6027893)
Zach Wheat for the Wilbert Robinson era Dodger?
   59. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:13 PM (#6027894)
Mickey Vernon the missing Senator? Carl Furillo the missing Dodger? I'm surprised neither Garvey nor Cey made it.


Ken Boyer for the Cardinals
   60. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#6027895)
Andruw Jones, the missing Brave
   61. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:14 PM (#6027896)
Enos Slaughter, 1940s HOF outfielder
   62. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:16 PM (#6027897)
Post #56
Evans? DING! 1346. One Red Sox to go. Hall of Fame infielder.
Delahanty? DING! 1288. (with the Phillies). 2 to go. One if a 21st century infielder. The other is a forgettable mid-20th century player.

That closes out the top 50. Highest ranking guy left is the Red Sox infielder, #52. Then a Mariner who is one of the most famous players of the last 30 years (Did I say Edgar was the only Mariner? He isn't - one Mariner left).
   63. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:17 PM (#6027898)
Del Ennis for the Phillies, Ken Griffey Junior for the Mariners
   64. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:18 PM (#6027900)
Bobby Doerr for the Sox.
   65. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:20 PM (#6027901)
Chase Utley for the Phils.
   66. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:21 PM (#6027902)
Post #58
Wheat? DING! 1210. Missing 1 Dodger. Rightfielder with a great arm for the Boys of Summer

Post #59
Vernon? DING! Closes out the Senator. 1026.
Furillo? DING! Closes out the Dodgers. 1058.
Boyer? DING! 1001.

Post #60
Andruw? DING! Closes out the Braves. 1117

Post #61
Enos Slaughter: DING! 1148. One Cards left - oddly enough, he's a guy famous for having A LOT of RBIs in one game (12).

I think there's about 16 more to go.
   67. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:22 PM (#6027903)
Jim Bottomley for the Cardinals
   68. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6027904)
Post #63
Ennis? DING! 1124. Just one Philie left. A slugging MVP first baseman from the 21st century.
Griffey? DING! 1216. Closes out the Marinres.

Post #64
Doerr? DING! Closes out the Red Sox. 1247

Post #65
Utley? Nope.


   69. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:24 PM (#6027905)
well, it can't be Mark Whiten, though he did have a 12 rbi game for the Cards (against the Reds)....

   70. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:25 PM (#6027906)
Ryan Howard for the Phillies.

   71. JJ1986 Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:27 PM (#6027907)
Michael Young, TEX?
   72. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:28 PM (#6027908)
Juan Gonzalez for the Rangers?
   73. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:28 PM (#6027909)
Post #67:
Bottomley? DING! Closes out the Cardinals. 1105.

Some guys still left

Two Rangers:
Yeah, I haven't mentioned this and no one's guessed this team at all - but they should be 2 of the 3 first 3 Rangers who guess, at the least.

A's - Connie Mack's post-dyansty teams had this guy with a generic name. I think he had a brother (half-brother?) play for a different AL team.

White Sox: Waaaay back in the day. Not a slugger, but an all-time franchise leader in many stats

Indians: One guy. Hall of Fame outfielder. Not recent.

Tigers: Outfielder. Teammate of Ty Cobb.

Yankees: Two left. One Hall of Famer from the Joe McCarthy era. And a non-HoF from the 1927 Murders Row team.

Oriole: A one-time MVP from Earl Weaver's early great dynasty.

Cleveland Spiders: Yes, really. Initials are E.M. That's how obscure he is - I'll spot you his initials.
   74. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:30 PM (#6027911)
Ivan Rodriguez also for the Rangers
   75. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6027913)
Post #70:
DING! Closes out the Phillies. 1194.

Post #71
Nope

Post #72
DING! Franchise leader. 1180.

Highest ranking guy left: Hall of Fame Yankee catcher. Followed by a Hall of Fame White Sox shortstop.

   76. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:32 PM (#6027914)
tigers outfielder Bobby Veach?
Yankees: Bob Meusel?
Indians, Elmer Flick?

   77. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:33 PM (#6027915)
Collins for the White Sox.
   78. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:35 PM (#6027919)
Boog Powell for the Oriole?
   79. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6027920)
Post #76
Veach? DING! Closes out the Tigers. 1049
Musuel: DING! 1071. One Yankee left - Hall of Fame catcher in the 1930s/40s.
Flick? Nope. The Hall of Famer is from the 1930s.

7 blank spaces left.

   80. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:36 PM (#6027921)
The Yankee catcher is the guy who was there before Yogi and learned Yogi all he knew about catching, and I am totally blanking on his name. argh.

   81. SoSH U at work Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6027922)
Bill Dickey.

   82. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6027923)
Nellie Fox for the Sox SS. Collins was a 2nd baseman.


edit: yes, Bill Dickey.
   83. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:38 PM (#6027924)
Post #77:
Nope. This guy spent his entire career for the Sox. Shortstop.

Post #78:
DING! Closes out the Orioles. 1063.

6 to go:
Ranger with over 3,000 career hits in all.
1930s/40s A's outfielder. Iniital: B.J.
White Sox longtime shortstop.
Hall of Fame Yankee catcher from 1930s/40s
Cleveland Spider initialled E.M.
1930s Indians outfielder Hall of Famer.
   84. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6027925)
oh, Earl Averill for the Indian.
   85. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6027926)
Post #81:
Dickey? DING! Five to go.

Post #82:
Fox? Nope. This guy was 1920s to 1940s. This guy had about as much power as Fox, but lasted long enough to get around 2800 hits for the Whtie Sox.
   86. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:40 PM (#6027927)
Palmeiro for the Rangers.

Indian Bob Johnson for the 30s-40s A's outfielder?
   87. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:41 PM (#6027928)
Post #84
DING! Four to go.

I'll give them in a little bit unless they're guessed.
   88. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:41 PM (#6027929)
Luke Appling for the White Sox. Bob Johnson for the A's. Earl Averill for the Tribe.
   89. Ron J Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:41 PM (#6027930)
Appling White Sox
   90. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:42 PM (#6027931)
Post #86:
DING!

3 to go.

I've given the initials for two, and team/position/era for the other guy (a Hall of Famer).
   91. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:43 PM (#6027932)
Travis "Stonewall" Jackson for the White Sox SS?

edit: nevermind! sad that i drew a blank on Luke Appling...
   92. Dag Nabbit at ExactlyAsOld.com Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:44 PM (#6027933)
Post #88 got everyone BUT the Spider. So I'll just dump down the entire list.

LEADERBOARD
1. Hank Aaron, ATL, 2202, JJ1986
2. Lou Gehrig, NYY, 1995, Nawrocki.
3. Babe Ruth, NYY, 1978. Nawrocki.
4. Stan Musial, STL, 1951. SoSH
5. Cap Anson< CHC, 1880. Naworcki.
6. Mel Ott, SFG, 1860. SoSH.
7. Willie Mays, SFG, 1859. SoSH.
8. Carl Yaz. BOX, 1844. SoSH.
9. Teddy F. ballgame. BOX, 1839. Nawrocki
10. Ty Cobb, DET, 1811. SoSH.
11. Cal Ripken Jr., BAL, 1695. JJ1986.
12. Ernie Banks, CHC, 1636. Naworkci.
13. Chipper Jones, ATL, 1623. SoSH
14. George Brett, KCR, 1596. SoSH
15. Mike Schmidt, PHI, 1595. SoSH.
16. Al Kaline, DET, 1582. SoSH.
17t. Harmon Killebrew, MIN, 1540. SoSH.
17t. Willie Stargell, PIT, 1540, sanny manguillen.
19. Joe DiMaggio, NYY, 1537. Nawrocki.
20. David Ortiz, BOX, 1530. JJ1986
21. Jeff Bagwell, STL, 1529. JJ1986.
22. Mickey Mantle, NYY, 1509. SoSH.
23. Honus Wagner, PIT, 1474. sanny manguillen.
24. Frank Thomas, CWS, 1465. JJ1986
25. Jim Rice, BOX, 1451. Nawrocki.
26. Harry Heilmann, DET, 1446. Don August(us)
27. Barry Bonds, SFG, 1440. JJ1986
28. Yogi Berra, NYY, 1430. Nawrocki.
29. Charlie Gehriner, DET, 1427. RonJ
30. Sammy Sosa, CHC, 1414, Nawrocki
31t. Todd Helton, COL, 1406. JJ1986
31t. Robin Yount, MIL, 1406. Don August(us)
33t. Willie McCovey, SFG, 1388. Nawrocki.
33t. Eddie Mathews, ATL, 1388. SoSH
35. Paul Konerko, CWS, 1383. JJ1986
36. Johnny Bench, CIN, 1376. SoSH.
37. Brooks Robinson, BAL, 1357. SoSH.
38. Billy Williams, CHC, 1353. Nawrocki.
39. Dwight Evans, BOX, 1346. Don August(us).
40. Albert Pujols, STL, 1329. Don August(us).
41. Derek Jeter, NYY, 1311. SoSH.
42. Roberto Clemente, PIT, 1305. Nawrocki.
43. Garrett Anderson, LAA, 1292. JJ1986
44. Ron Santo, CHC, 1290 . Nawrocki.
45. Ed Delahnty, PHI, 1288, Don August(us)
46. Paul Waner, PIT, 1273. sanny manguillen
47. Duke Snider, LAD, 1271. SoSH.
48. Sam Crawford, DET, 1262. Don August(us)
49. Edgar Martinez, SEA, 1261. JJ1986
50. Bernie Williams, NYY, 1257. SoSH.
51. Gil Hodges, LAD, 1254. Nawrocki.
52. Bobby Doerr, BOX, 1247. SoSH.
53. Miguel Cabrera, DET, 1237 (as of a few days ago). JJ1986
54. Eddie Murray, BAL, 1224. Nawrocki.
55. Ken Griffey Jr. SEA, 1216. Nawrocki.
56. Zach Wheat, LAD, 1210. Don August(us)
57. Bill Dickey, NYY, 1209. SoSH.
58. Hank Greenberg, DET, 1200. SoSH.
59. Ryan Howard, PHI, 1194. Don August(us)
60. Tony Perez, CIN, 1192. SoSH.
61. Juan Gonzalez. TEX, 1180. Don August(us).
62. Al Simmons, OAK, 1179. Don August(us)
63. Pie Traynor, PIT, 1177. sanny manguillen
64. Craig Biggio, HOU, 1175. JJ1986
65. Tony Lazzeri, NYY, 1157. Don August(us).
66. Ryan Braun, MIL, 1154. SoSH.
67. Gabby Hartnett, CHC, 1153. RonJ
68. Enos Slaughter, STL, 1148, Don August(us).
69. Dale Murphy, ATL, 1143. SoSH
70. Tony Gwynn, SDP, 1138. JJ1986
71. Del Ennis, PHI, 1125, Nawrocki.
72. Andruw Jones, ATL, 1117. Nawrocki.
73. Luke Appling, CWS, 1116, Naworkci.
74. Jim Bottomley, 1105. STL. Nawrocki.
75. Don Mattingly, 1099, NYY. SoSH.
76. A-Rod. 1096, NYY. JJ1986
77. Lance Berkman, 1090, HOU. SoSH.
78. Norm Cash, 1088, DET. Nawrocki.
79. Kent Hrbek 1086, MIN. Nawrocki
80. Kirby Puckett 1085, MIN. Nawrocki.
81t. Lou Whitaker, 1084, DET. Don August(us)
81t. Earl Averill, 1084, CLE. Don August(us)
81t. Ed McKean, 1084, CLV
84. Bill Terry, SFG, 1078. Don August(us)
85. Jimmie Foxx, OAK, 1075. Don August(us)
86t. Bid McPhee, CIN, 1072. Don August(us)
86t. Rogers Hornsby, STL, 1072. SoSH.
88. Bob Meusel, NYY, 1071. Don August(us)
89. Jorge Posada, NYY, 1065. JJ1986.
90. Boog Powell, BAL, 1063. Don August(us)
91. Ryne Sandberg, CHC, 1061. Nawrocki.
92t. Carlos Delgado, TOR, 1058. JJ1986
92t. Carl Furillo, LAD, 1058. Nawrocki.
94. Bobby Veach, DET, 1049. Don August(us)
95. Sam Rice, MIN, 1044. SoSH
96. Bob Johnson, OAK, 1040. Nawrocki.
97t. Ryan Zimmerman, WSN, 1039. JJ1986
97t. Rafeal Palmerio, TEX, 1093. Don August(us).
99. Pete Rose, CIN, 1036. SoSH.
100. Mickey Vernon, MIN, 1026. Nawrocki.
101. Tim Salmon, LAA, 1016. JJ1986.
102. Hal McRae, KCR, 1012. Nawrocki.
103. Frank Robinson< CIN, 1009. Don August(us).
104. Mark Grace, CHC, 1004. JJ1986
105. Alan Trammell, DET, 1003. Nawworcki.
106t. Ken Boyer, STL, 1001. Nawrocki
106t. Joe Judge, MIN, 1001. Don August(us)

And Joey Votto.
   93. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:46 PM (#6027934)
have never heard of Ed McKean.
   94. Ron J Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:47 PM (#6027936)
I got the Spider player only by checking. And you need to count the AA and NL team together to get him past 1000.
   95. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:51 PM (#6027937)
I got the Spider player only by checking. And you need to count the AA and NL team together to get him past 1000.


it is most likely the same for Bid McPhee. The Reds were AA from 1882-1890 and i think Bid was there that whole time.
   96. Tom Nawrocki Posted: July 06, 2021 at 03:57 PM (#6027938)
Don August mentioned Bob Johnson before I did. Literally a matter of seconds.
   97. JJ1986 Posted: July 07, 2021 at 09:54 AM (#6028040)
I'm surprised how high a few of these guys are. Ryan Howard had like 6.5 seasons as a good regular, but he had really high totals during that time. I think of Juan Gonzalez as being traded in the middle of his career, but he was 30 and had started as a regular at age 21. And I never would have guessed Andruw Jones even though I knew he had 11 seasons in the middle of the Braves lineup.

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