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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-12-2020

Pittsburgh Press, August 12, 1920:

The cry from far and near is that Tris Speaker’s Indians won’t figure in the fall series unless some relief hurler comes into sight at once. Recently Speaker sent in Joe Wood as a relief artist, and Tris says of Joe’s performance: “I have every reason to believe that Joe Wood will help us as a relief hurler. He had everything when he finished out that game except control. He can get that. What was worrying me before he started was that he might not be able to show his old speed and sharp curves. But he had both. With a little more work, he will be able to help us save a game now and then.”

Tris was being polite. Six of the 12 batters Wood faced on August 4 reached base and five scored. He never threw another pitch as a pro baseball player.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 12, 2020 at 10:17 AM | 10 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 12, 2020 at 10:19 AM (#5969231)
Today's Birthday Team. Say, I think that ace starter is halfway decent.

C: Ray Schalk (33.0 WAR)
1B: Don Hurst (13.0 WAR)
2B: Chris Owings (2.3 WAR)
3B: Harlond Clift (41.5 WAR)
SS: Zack Cozart (15.1 WAR)
LF: Ian Happ (3.6 WAR)
CF: Lew Ford (8.3 WAR)
RF: Jose Tabata (1.9 WAR)

SP: Christy Mathewson (106.0 WAR)
SP: Fred Hutchinson (25.9 WAR)
SP: Bob Buhl (21.9 WAR)
SP: Matt Clement (12.3 WAR)
SP: Ken McBride (6.9 WAR)
RP: Julio Urias (2.6 WAR)

Manager/GM: Minoru Murakami
Not a great last name for a pitcher: Kyle Lobstein
Fun names: Rusty McNealy, Pony Sager, Skinny Graham
   2. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 12, 2020 at 10:37 AM (#5969236)
Bob Buhl was famously bad as a hitter, going 0-for-70 in 1962 (but with six walks!). In nearly 1000 career plate appearances, he slugged under .100. On pitching alone, he would beat out Fred Hutchinson for the role of No. 2 starter on today's team, but Buhl loses 6 WAR because of his hitting.
   3. Mike Webber Posted: August 12, 2020 at 10:49 AM (#5969240)
This graphic novel about Fred Hutchinson is really great.
   4. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: August 12, 2020 at 10:56 AM (#5969242)
Bob Buhl was famously bad as a hitter, going 0-for-70 in 1962 (but with six walks!). In nearly 1000 career plate appearances, he slugged under .100. On pitching alone, he would beat out Fred Hutchinson for the role of No. 2 starter on today's team, but Buhl loses 6 WAR because of his hitting.


The difference is even bigger than that, as Hutch has +5.2 hitting. Comparing just pitching WAR, Buhl 28, Hutch 21.
   5. Itchy Row Posted: August 12, 2020 at 11:01 AM (#5969243)
Mathewson had 100.1 pitching bWAR with the Giants and negative .3 in his one game with the Reds. As a hitter, he had 6.3 WAR in his 646 games with the Giants and (positive) .2 in that one Reds game.

In his one non-Giants appearance, Mathewson faced Three-Finger Brown in the last game of both of their careers.
   6. Pasta-diving Jeter (jmac66) Posted: August 12, 2020 at 11:10 AM (#5969245)
shouldn't Hutch be the manager as well?
   7. Traderdave Posted: August 12, 2020 at 11:29 AM (#5969251)
Harlond Clift shows up in the Baltimore Orioles franchise page on BB-ref as #12 in WAR for the franchise.

I have a brother who has lived in Baltimore since the mid 80's and is a huge Orioles fan. Goes to 20-30 games a year, listens to every game he doesn't attend, reads the sports pages daily -- and until a couple of years ago when I explained it over beers, he had NEVER heard of the Browns. The O's have really expunged that part of their history.
   8. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 12, 2020 at 11:37 AM (#5969252)
In his one non-Giants appearance, Mathewson faced Three-Finger Brown in the last game of both of their careers.


18 runs, 34 hits combined. The game lasted 2:10.
   9. Traderdave Posted: August 12, 2020 at 11:46 AM (#5969253)
Mathewson & Brown accounted for 5 of those hits
   10. Walt Davis Posted: August 12, 2020 at 05:28 PM (#5969321)
help us save a game

50 years before Jerome Holtzman! Speaker was a man well ahead of his time.

Mathewson & Brown accounted for 5 of those hits

Given the game seems to have been a bit of stunt casting, possibly they weren't trying all that hard to get each other out.

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