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Thursday, August 15, 2019

Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-15-2019

Pittsburgh Gazette-Times, August 15, 1919:

Three members of the board of directors of the American League, constituting a majority of the board, ordered Pitcher Carl Mays reinstated at a special meeting [in New York yesterday], thus nullifying the action of President Johnson in suspending him.

The directors, after reviewing the case, adopted resolutions declaring that the “alleged suspension was without authority and void and against the best interests of and detrimental to the welfare of baseball,” and forbade Johnson from taking similar action against any other player in the American League “without a hearing and an opportunity to be heard given to the player and club involved for any alleged offense.”

I think they might be a little bit upset.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:52 AM | 8 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 09:56 AM (#5871609)
Not a great Birthday Team today, even if a bunch of players weren't out of position. Brosius is a third baseman at first, Comiskey is a first baseman at second, Miller is a catcher in left. There just wasn't a ton of talent to work with today.

C: Jack Warner (14.9 WAR)
1B: Scott Brosius (15.7 WAR)
2B/Manager/Owner: Charlie Comiskey (7.6 WAR)
3B: Chris Brown (6.0 WAR)
SS: Jeff Huson (2.2 WAR)
LF: Doggie Miller (19.1 WAR)
CF: Jarrod Dyson (16.6 WAR)
RF: Chris Singleton (9.7 WAR)

SP: Bill Sherdel (31.3 WAR)
SP: Joey Jay (14.1 WAR)
SP: Oliver Perez (11.0 WAR)
SP: Joe Cowley (4.3 WAR)
SP: Jose Santiago (4.1 WAR)
RP: Mike James (4.7 WAR)

Designated submariner: Adam Cimber
Fun name: Arlo Brunsberg
Not that one: Randy Johnson
Not that one: Billy West
   2. 185/456(GGC) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:30 AM (#5871621)
It wasn't until Tuesday that I learned of Jim Bouton's death last month. It must not have had much news impact. I work with a couple of middleaged diehard baseball fans and told one of them. It was news to him, too.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: August 15, 2019 at 10:46 AM (#5871627)
Should Jarrod Dyson be / have been a full-time player? Despite the 81 OPS+, he now has those 17 WAR in just 4-5 full seasons worth of ABs. Obviously he hits even worse against lefties, but man that's a lot of value.
   4. stanmvp48 Posted: August 15, 2019 at 11:56 AM (#5871660)
Chris Brown was a high school teammate of --------?
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 15, 2019 at 04:25 PM (#5871738)
Chris Brown was a high school teammate of --------?

Darryl Strawberry
   6. stanmvp48 Posted: August 15, 2019 at 04:36 PM (#5871741)
There was a book called "The Ticket Out" by Michael Sokolove which I enjoyed about that team.
   7. Walt Davis Posted: August 15, 2019 at 05:44 PM (#5871769)
Dyson ... First obviously we have to put a lot of faith in the defensive numbers but I think all agree he's very good so there's obviously real value there even if not "really" at that level. Second, it's not uncommon for bench players to look good as bench players then get exposed in full-time roles -- platoon advantage, not facing the toughest starters, pitchers will see him more and know his weaknesses better. (On the other hand, a reasonable number of his PAs are probably as a PH and PHs usually suck so that could be pulling hitting numbers down. ... actually it's just 39 PHs)

And third -- I suspect WAR somewhat over-values players like Dyson. He is often a PR (97 times) or a defensive replacement. This allows him to accumulate some baserunning and Rfield value without accumulating PAs and (I think!) replacement runs are based on PAs not defensive innings. So any value he adds goes straight to WAA. I'm not sure any of that is enough to make a difference but, for example, he gets 2.2 defensive innings per PA while Kris Bryant gets just under 2. Not a huge difference but he arguably has about 500 more defensive innings than he "should" and those extra baserunning opps and that adds up to ... only about 1 WAR.

We can conclude that either (a) this is an area where WAR is still smarter than actual GMs and Dyson needs a new agent or (b) WAR is over-rating Dyson.
   8. Hank Gillette Posted: August 16, 2019 at 10:00 PM (#5872067)
Brosius is a third baseman at first, Comiskey is a first baseman at second, Miller is a catcher in left.


Brosius had about as many games at second as Comiskey did. Why not play him at second, and leave Comiskey at first? One fewer player out of position, and as a third baseman, Brosius seems likely to handle second better than Comiskey.

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