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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 8-4-2021

Toledo News-Bee, August 4, 1921:

The report that John Evers, manager of the Chicago National League team, has resigned and that Bill Killefer, veteran catcher, is to take his place, is current in baseball circles [in Chicago]. The report followed a meeting of the club directors.

Evers was not in uniform when the Cubs started a doubleheader with Boston yesterday, and Killefer was in charge of the team.

The report was neither confirmed nor denied by the club officials. President Veeck declared that Evers was ill.

Obviously too many fudge orgies and nicotine sprees. Anyway, Evers had indeed managed his final game with the Cubs at this point. It’s not every day you see a secret, unannounced managerial change that is neither confirmed nor denied.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2021 at 08:14 AM | 22 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: dugout, fudge orgies, history, nicotine sprees

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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: August 04, 2021 at 08:16 AM (#6032739)
A strong Birthday Team today led by two World Series champion managers.

C: The Other Cliff Lee (2.6 WAR)
1B: Jake Beckley (61.1 WAR)
2B: Don Kolloway (2.5 WAR)
3B: B.J. Surhoff (34.4 WAR)
SS: Orlando Arcia (2.2 WAR)
LF: Cleon Jones (18.0 WAR)
CF: Johnny Grubb (16.6 WAR)
RF: Luke Easter (12.2 WAR)

SP: Roger Clemens (139.2 WAR)
SP: Dolf Luque (48.1 WAR)
SP: Eric Milton (16.5 WAR)
SP: Bill Hallahan (14.2 WAR)
SP: George Caster (8.5 WAR)
RP: Bob Howry (10.7 WAR)
RP: Scott Linebrink (9.3 WAR)

Co-Managers: John Farrell, Dallas Green
Bench bat: Troy O'Leary (7.2 WAR)
Fun name: Ski Melillo, Phonney Martin
Good glove, no bat: Ray Oyler (0.0 WAR)
-5.9 career WAR: Tuck Stainback (-5.9 WAR)
   2. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 04, 2021 at 02:33 PM (#6032813)
Good glove, no bat: Ray Oyler (0.0 WAR)


The enormously successful Ray Oyler Fan Club is one of the more endearing aspects of the Seattle Pilots story. The collective delusion that Oyler, who hit .165 for the Pilots and had a .175 lifetime batting average, was going to hit .300 is a leap of faith unparalleled in baseball fandom. The Fan Club card of the SOC IT TO ME .300 Club (signed by President Judy Carne)* actually states "Slugger Oyler Can, In Time, Top Our Manager's Estimate. He WILL hit .300! He will! He will..."

* For those who don't get the cultural reference, Judy Carne was one of the stars of "Rowan & Martin's Laugh-In", the top-rated TV show in 1969. "Sock it to me!" was one of the show's many catchphrases.
   3. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 04, 2021 at 02:53 PM (#6032819)
Jonathan India, HR by month in 2021

April, 1
May, 2
June, 3
July, 4

any bets on how many he hits in August? :-)
   4. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 04, 2021 at 02:59 PM (#6032822)
Oyler had been the most-regular shortstop for the pennant-winning 1968 Tigers, despite hitting an appalling .135/.213/.186 during the regular season, good for a 20 OPS+. In what became a famous move, Mayo Smith benched him for the World Series, moving his center fielder, Mickey Stanley, to shortstop.

I didn't realize till just now that Smith actually had Stanley start at short for the last week of the regular season, so he wasn't coming to the position totally cold in the World Series. Generally, when that story is told, it's that Stanley switched positions just for the World Series.
   5. The Mighty Quintana Posted: August 04, 2021 at 03:52 PM (#6032842)
Craig Biggio and BJ Surhoff are an interesting matched set. Both catchers who ran well from the NYC area, both 1st round picks out of D-I colleges, but Biggio gets switched off catcher three years earlier than Surhoff (25 vs 28). If the Brewers switch Surhoff to 3B three years earlier does his bat improve then, like it did at 30? Is he a borderline HOF candidate?
   6. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 04, 2021 at 04:20 PM (#6032848)
Jonathan India, HR by month in 2021

April, 1
May, 2
June, 3
July, 4

any bets on how many he hits in August? :-)


August is the hottest month in India.
   7. Don August(us) Cesar Geronimo Berroa Posted: August 04, 2021 at 04:30 PM (#6032849)
He has around a 1.40 ops so far in August!
   8. Nasty Nate Posted: August 04, 2021 at 05:45 PM (#6032868)
Jonathan India, HR by month in 2021

April, 1
May, 2
June, 3
July, 4

any bets on how many he hits in August? :-)
I'll mark him down, in ink, for 5.
   9. Walt Davis Posted: August 04, 2021 at 06:12 PM (#6032873)
C: The Other Cliff Lee (2.6 WAR)

So who's the best pair with the same name? (Preferably not Jrs but I'm not sure the list is gonna be very long so we'll let them in).

The two Cliff Lees are at a respectable 45. The two Bill Lees are at 54 and both very good. The two Frank Thomases at 93.

Willie Mays Aiken does not count. There may need to be some minimum requirement on the 2nd guy but I suppose the two Randy Johnsons (and there's a third) do count. The second one made it to 550 PA and according to WAR was above-average in that time so that's not nothing. So that's 104 for the Johnsons.
   10. The Mighty Quintana Posted: August 04, 2021 at 06:22 PM (#6032874)
The two 1980's William Wilson's have 86 WAR.
   11. Walt Davis Posted: August 04, 2021 at 07:53 PM (#6032889)
Typo? I think you'll see that's 68. But the two Mookies have already passed that at 71. (They don't count in this exercise.)

we're getting towards a team:

C: Cliff Lee
1B: Frank Thomas
2B:
SS:
3B: Randy Johnson
OF: Willie Wilson, William "Mookie" Wilson, Frank Thomas

SP: Randy Johnson, Cliff Lee, Bill Lee, Bill Lee ... rotation's looking good and we're probably not done yet.

We'll probably pick up another OF along the way and can move Frank Thomas to 3B (he wasn't very good there).

Huh, the 2nd Bob Gibson played more than I realized, 269 IP so they might qualify. The 2nd Billy Williams didn't play enough but there was a Bill Williams in the NeL who was above-average.
   12. Tom Nawrocki Posted: August 04, 2021 at 08:11 PM (#6032892)
The two George Burnses add up to 74.8, but they were strictly a first baseman and an outfielder, so they're not going to help much with the team-building.

You've obviously got a couple of Bob Millers in the bullpen.
   13. Sweatpants Posted: August 04, 2021 at 08:31 PM (#6032896)
The second-best Pedro Martinez was worth 1.0 WAR, putting the two of them at 84.9.

Jose A. Valentin and Jose J. "Javier" Valentin add up to 32.4 WAR and get you a good shortstop or second baseman.
   14. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:03 PM (#6032898)
Hal W Smith can give you 4.2 as a catcher. He’s Tim Flannery’s uncle, as a bit of trivial trivia.
Hal R Smith only gives you 1.9.
   15. Edmundo got dem ol' Kozma blues again mama Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:07 PM (#6032899)
The Alex Gonzalezes give you 20 WAR at SS.
Neither played 2B, although you’d think they could.
   16. Ziggy: social distancing since 1980 Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:35 PM (#6032902)
Sums are nice and all, but this is the sort of game that just begs for a harmonic mean.
   17. Jaack Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:37 PM (#6032903)
The Bobs Johnson give you a great corner outfielder, and adequate utility guy, a kinda mediocre swing man, and I guess a back up catcher, although he's not a whole lot worse than the other Cliff Lee.
   18. Richard Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6032904)
The two Billy Hamiltons give you 73 WAR in the outfield.
   19. JJ1986 Posted: August 04, 2021 at 09:41 PM (#6032905)
There have recently been two Austin Adamses and two David Carpenters, all 4 of whom were RHRP.
   20. vortex of dissipation Posted: August 04, 2021 at 10:07 PM (#6032908)
George Stone gives you a 26.0 WAR outfielder, and a pretty average pitcher who can start and relieve.
   21. Voodoo Posted: August 04, 2021 at 10:29 PM (#6032910)
Hal W Smith can give you 4.2 as a catcher. He’s Tim Flannery’s uncle, as a bit of trivial trivia.
Hal R Smith only gives you 1.9.


Their combined cWPA is more impressive.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: August 05, 2021 at 04:16 AM (#6032932)
According to WAR, two Jeff D'Amico's is a bit worse than one.

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