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Primer Dugout (and link of the day) 9-16-2020

Washburn [Wisconsin] Times, September 16, 1920:

In a recent St. Paul-Toledo game Duke Duncan apparently made a pick-up off Kelly’s bat, after a great sliding dive. Umpire Murray ruled it a fair catch, a double play resulted and Duncan was a hero.

Later in the game Duncan came to bat and claimed he had been hit on the foot by a pitched ball. “That ball hit me,” he howled. “No, it didn’t,” answered Murray.

“How do you know,” shouted Duncan. “You miss ‘em all. You said I caught that fly in the fourth inning; I didn’t; I picked it up off the ground.”

Got eem.

Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 16, 2020 at 10:12 AM | 18 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jefferson Manship (Dan Lee) Posted: September 16, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5976902)
A bunch of recent players on today's Birthday Team. This would have been a much different roster 30 years ago.

C: Mickey Tettleton (29.4 WAR)
1B: Brandon Moss (5.0 WAR)
2B: Desi Relaford (-0.5 WAR)
3B: Gordon Beckham (5.4 WAR)
SS: Robin Yount (77.3 WAR)
LF: Mel Hall (8.7 WAR)
CF: Tim Raines (69.4 WAR)
RF: Robbie Grossman (6.6 WAR)

SP: Orel Hershiser (56.0 WAR)
SP: George McConnell (10.1 WAR)
SP: Matt Harrison (8.9 WAR)
SP: Roger Moret (7.1 WAR)
SP: Jakob Junis (4.0 WAR)
RP: Paul Shuey (6.8 WAR)

Manager: Dan Jennings
General Manager: Hank Peters
Backup General Manager: Billy Eppler
Owner: Vince Naimoli
First Frontier League player to make it to MLB: Brian Tollberg
Fun names: Emil "Hillbilly" Bildilli, Spider Clark, Vito Valentinetti, Bronswell Patrick, Bob Chlupsa
Must've had photos of Terry Francona, Charlie Manuel, and a farm animal or something: Michael Martinez
Not that one or that one: Chris Carter
   2. AndrewJ Posted: September 16, 2020 at 10:26 AM (#5976909)
Emil Bildilli also died on this day in 1946.

Today's left-fielder is from Jim Boeheim's hometown. And that's the only decent thing to say about him...
   3. JL72 Posted: September 16, 2020 at 10:33 AM (#5976912)
Tettleton was the starting catcher for one of my favorite teams:

1991 Detroit Tigers

They led the league in the three true outcomes. Fielder at 1B, Deer in RF and Incaviglia as the DH. Not a fast team.

Plus Tetttleton loved his fruit loops.
   4. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2020 at 10:46 AM (#5976920)
Today's left-fielder is from Jim Boeheim's hometown. And that's the only decent thing to say about him...

I don't think he ever killed anyone. But yes, a despicable human being.

And now I find that Rae Carruth is out of jail?!?! How is that freaking possible? He only did 18 years for putting a hit on his pregnant girlfriend. That's insane.
   5. 185/456(GGC) Posted: September 16, 2020 at 11:49 AM (#5976943)
I don't think he ever killed anyone.


Didn't Boeheim run someone over :(.

JL72, those Tigers were outliers in 1991. How would they fit in in today's game? I wonder how one of my favorite Tiger fans here felt about them. /eyeroll.
   6. JL72 Posted: September 16, 2020 at 12:30 PM (#5976956)
GGC - They really were, which was why I was fond of them. Not very good, and kind of boring in some ways, but yet so different than any other team then playing.

Reminded me of a beer leagues softball team.
   7. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:14 PM (#5976970)

Didn't Boeheim run someone over :(.


Was talking about Hall.
   8. Itchy Row Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:26 PM (#5976972)
Chris Pittaro is 59 today. Sparky Anderson thought about moving Lou Whitaker to third base to get Pittaro into the lineup because "Pittaro has a chance to be the best second baseman who ever lived." As it turned out, Pittaro can't even beat out Desi Relaford.
   9. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:32 PM (#5976977)
Where those Tigers the first team with five 20-HR guys?
   10. Itchy Row Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:37 PM (#5976978)
The 1991 Tigers were the 22nd team with five 20+ HR guys. The 1986 Tigers, 1965 Braves, 1964 Twins, and 1961 Yankees had six.
   11. Nasty Nate Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:39 PM (#5976979)
Thanks. I'm not sure what I was remembering.
   12. Itchy Row Posted: September 16, 2020 at 01:47 PM (#5976980)
They were the second team (after the '84 Red Sox) with four 20-HR, 100-K guys. Twelve teams had at least four of those guys last year, and Boston and Oakland had six.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: September 16, 2020 at 02:12 PM (#5976984)
Tettleton was the starting catcher for one of my favorite teams:


I was at a game when Tettleton came off the bench, walked twice with the bases loaded then hit a three run homer for a nifty 1 2 1 5 line in the https://www.baseball-reference.com/boxes/NYA/NYA198608240.shtmlboxscore.

Years later, I realized that boxscore was more noteworthy as the game where Mark McGwire picked up his first big league hit (plus two more).

   14. vortex of dissipation Posted: September 16, 2020 at 02:53 PM (#5976995)
Sparky Anderson thought about moving Lou Whitaker to third base to get Pittaro into the lineup because "Pittaro has a chance to be the best second baseman who ever lived."


Spoken by a man who managed Joe Morgan in his best seasons.
   15. The Mighty Quintana Posted: September 16, 2020 at 03:43 PM (#5977015)
Sparky was a lot closer when he called Kirk Gibson "The next Mickey Mantle".
   16. The Yankee Clapper Posted: September 16, 2020 at 04:01 PM (#5977021)
2021 Spring Training schedules are trickling out. Yankees sent an e-mail, Nationals just put the games on the website calendar with no announcement or link as of now. No word about tickets, spectators & logistics yet. Probably lots of ‘tentative’ plans.
   17. Gch Posted: September 16, 2020 at 07:29 PM (#5977075)
In yesterday's dugout there was a question about birthday player Fritz Ostermueller:

That is an interesting career record. Basically a swingman for his entire career until the very end. He only made it over 200 innings twice in 15 seasons which does make winning games hard but you'd think a 132 OPS+ in 246 IP, during the war for a 90-win team you'd at get above 13 wins. Still pitching effectively at 40.

And 3 seasons with 5.5 WAR. Not 3 seasons with 5.5+ WAR, 3 seasons with 5.5 WAR. (Remember to add together his 1944s.)

So he didn't get there by compiling with just over 2000 career IP and a very solid 15 WAA. Works out to 3.3 WAR per 200 IP.

[...]

Heck, the man even pitched to the score -- 3.60 ERA when his team scored 0-2, 4.06 at 3-5 and 4.33 when 6+ and he still couldn't rack up wins.

You'd think a guy that effective would just get left in the rotation. Maybe his managers did a great job with deciding which teams he started against. He had slightly better numbers as a reliever but over 80% of his innings were as a SP. Maybe he was fragile, dead arm.


I read his SABR bio and apparently he had a bad shoulder when he debuted and then suffered a string of unfortunate injuries:

In 1934 he had "an injury to his left shoulder" that ended his season in September.

In 1935 in April he was hit on the knee in BP, in May Hank Greenberg hit him with a liner to the face "damaging his nose, jaw, and some teeth", and in August he was hit by another liner off the bat Moose Solters which fractured his fibula.

In 1936 "he still suffered dizzy spells from Greenberg’s smash of the previous year".

In 1937 he tried to pitch through "a chipped bone in his pitching elbow" but eventually he got surgery.

In 1940 he came to spring training with a flu and a sinus infection "thought to be a delayed reaction to the line drive off Greenberg’s bat in 1935." He debuted on May 12.

In 1941 he had a persistently sore arm that got him sent to the minors to start the 1942 season.

In 1943, I'm now suspecting he's the inspiration for Charlie Brown's pitching career as he was once again struck by a batted ball, this time in his pitching elbow. His elbow cap was removed, giving him a unique pitching motion. At this point he was traded to Brooklyn then hurt his ankle sliding into third base. He was also declared 3-A in the draft due to arthritis.

In 1944 the Dodgers first sent him to the pen, then traded him to Syracuse, who sold him to Pittsburgh when he didn't want to report to the minors.

1945 he was reclassified 1-A, and made two starts before joining the army. He was discharged in July.

1946 he's fine, 1947 he's fine, in 1948 "Manager Billy Meyer spotted him against the league’s best [Sain, Spahn, Brecheen]." and he ended his career at the age of 41.

Basically it looks like he had a combination of a bad pitching arm, lingering effects from a concussion, and really bad luck (or bad reflexes) on comebackers.

I also learned that he reportedly coined the phrase "Home run hitters drive Cadillacs, singles hitters drive Fords."
   18. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: September 16, 2020 at 07:36 PM (#5977077)
in 1948 "Manager Billy Meyer spotted him against the league’s best [Sain, Spahn,
Making a 41-year-old pitch on consecutive days seems cruel. I imagine he was hoping for a few rainouts after that.

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