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Protest by San Francisco’s Gabe Kapler brings support from some fellow managers, but Chicago White Sox’s Tony La Russa differs

White Sox manager Tony La Russa says he both likes and respects San Francisco Giants manager Gabe Kapler, but disagrees with his form of protest as it relates to the latest mass shooting.

Kapler wrote this week he’ll remain inside the Giants’ clubhouse while the national anthem is being played before games. La Russa believes in the cause just not Kapler’s actions.

“I think he’s exactly right to be concerned ... with what’s happening in our country,” La Russa said before his team hosted the Cubs on Saturday night. “He’s right there. Where I disagree is the flag and the anthem are not appropriate places to try to voice your objections.”

Nineteen children and two teachers were killed at an elementary school in Uvalde, Texas, on Tuesday. Shortly thereafter, Kapler penned an article explaining why he can no longer stand outside while the anthem is being played, writing he’s “not okay with the state of this country.”

“When I was the same age as the children in Uvalde, my father taught me to stand for the pledge of allegiance when I believed my country was representing its people well or to protest and stay seated when it wasn’t,” Kapler wrote. “I don’t believe it is representing us well right now.”

La Russa reiterated his respect for Kapler’s intentions but thinks his form of protesting is disrespectful to servicemen and women.

“Some of their courage comes from what the flag means to them and when they hear the anthem,” La Russa said. “You need to understand what the veterans think when they hear the anthem or see the flag. And the cost they paid and their families. And if you truly understand that, I think it’s impossible not to salute the flag and listen to the anthem.”

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 30, 2022 at 03:51 PM | 127 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   101. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 02, 2022 at 11:46 PM (#6079680)
Given how we saw the police react in Uvalde, and how defenders of the police cite Supreme Court decisions that say the police are not required to protect the pubic,
Last we checked, few folks who habitually defend the police spoke out on behalf of the police in Uvalde. Instead, they heaped praise on the Border Control agent -- the actual good guy with a gun -- who ended the standoff while the local constables were still picking their noses in the hallway.
   102. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:01 AM (#6079686)
Last we checked, few folks who habitually defend the police spoke out on behalf of the police in Uvalde. Instead, they heaped praise on the Border Control agent -- the actual good guy with a gun -- who ended the standoff while the local constables were still picking their noses in the hallway.


I see. So only some cops with guns are good guys with guns. How can we tell beforehand? because the only solutions I see being proposed is to put more armed cops guarding schools. How do we choose which ones will actually do the job they were hired for?
   103. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:22 AM (#6079687)
How can we tell beforehand?

Most teachers are capable. Some we learn aren't. So let's ban all teachers?
   104. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:25 AM (#6079688)
Man, you really are an insane idiot, aren't you.
   105. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:39 AM (#6079690)
Man, you really are an insane idiot, aren't you.


Haha. First Kevin back on the NBA Thread and now JE back on threads about guns and Ron DeSantis. Time to Build A Wall around the Discord thread.
   106. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:43 AM (#6079692)
JE is not on, nor would we welcome him on Discord. he is your problem.
   107. rr would lock Shaq's a$$ up Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:48 AM (#6079693)
106

Andy invited me a couple of times; I declined. JE not being there would be a plus.
   108. Tony S Posted: June 03, 2022 at 08:40 AM (#6079707)
defenders of the police cite Supreme Court decisions that say the police are not required to protect the pubic


I don't doubt that you have a reference in mind, but it seems like a counterproductive argument for them. Why would a cop-fetishist assert that the police are useless?

Sounds like they're no longer hiding that their worship of LEO's is just about tickling their authoritarian bones.
   109. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 09:00 AM (#6079710)
Andy invited me a couple of times; I declined. JE not being there would be a plus.

The JE of his former "NeverTrump" life, who campaigned for RINOs like McCain and Romney, would definitely be a nice addition to BTF. Unfortunately that JE took the path of J. D. Vance and left his former self in the ashes.
   110. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 09:32 AM (#6079712)
Man, you really are an insane idiot, aren't you.
JE is not on, nor would we welcome him on Discord. he is your problem.

LOL, 18 months have passed and you remain a lonely, intolerant tool. (And water is still wet.)

Oh, and I was on Discord, thank you very much, but the site's interface didn't make for a very pleasant experience.
   111. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 09:40 AM (#6079713)
The JE of his former "NeverTrump" life, who campaigned for RINOs like McCain and Romney, would definitely be a nice addition to BTF. Unfortunately that JE took the path of J. D. Vance and left his former self in the ashes.
Come on, Andy, maybe not you so much, but just about the entire clown crew here despised McCain and Romney with the heat of a thousands suns back in the day.

Admittedly, I haven't checked in on you in the past 18 months, but have you given up defending your party from the cabal of authoritarian, humorless, school marm types that you would have mocked mercilessly back in the last century?
   112. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 09:45 AM (#6079715)
JD Vance isn't my dream candidate, sorry. That said, I occasionally wonder if he exists, way more than even Trump, just to figuratively skull f*ck folks like you.
   113. Lassus Posted: June 03, 2022 at 10:25 AM (#6079723)
That said, I occasionally wonder if he exists, way more than even Trump, just to figuratively skull f*ck folks like you.

I don't wonder. That's the primary platform of your party now.
   114. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 10:50 AM (#6079728)
The JE of his former "NeverTrump" life, who campaigned for RINOs like McCain and Romney, would definitely be a nice addition to BTF. Unfortunately that JE took the path of J. D. Vance and left his former self in the ashes.

Come on, Andy, maybe not you so much, but just about the entire clown crew here despised McCain and Romney with the heat of a thousands suns back in the day.


You're right about that on both counts, but that doesn't address the point I raised.

Admittedly, I haven't checked in on you in the past 18 months, but have you given up defending your party from the cabal of authoritarian, humorless, school marm types that you would have mocked mercilessly back in the last century?

If you think I've defended the woke culture, you obviously haven't read discord, or even many of the threads here before Furtado zapped OTP. My take on wokeness pretty much mirrors that of John McWhorter.
   115. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 10:54 AM (#6079729)
In their own pathetic ways, J. D. Vance and Dr. Ozclown in Pennsylvania are infinitely more "woke" than their Democratic opponents, if you define "wokeness" as living in a permanent state of fear of twitter mobs.
   116. Traderdave Posted: June 03, 2022 at 11:05 AM (#6079730)
What is this discord thing that is being talked about?



First Kevin back on the NBA Thread


Wow, that's a blast from the past. First Ballot Inner Circle Ass Hole
   117. . Posted: June 03, 2022 at 12:00 PM (#6079735)
As we all know, Andy was rabidly anti-anti-woke for many, many years -- but it is good to see that woke inanity has alienated even him. In terms of pure electoral politics in the US, everyone should know that there are a veritable ####-ton of Andys out there.(*) Read things like the NY Times comment section on Michelle Goldberg's bizarre take on the Heard-Depp trial and you will see -- and you should be very pleasantly surprised. I was. There is some not insignificant part of the country and long-standing principles that have served the country and Enlightenment very well -- due process, jury trials, no you can't just publicly defame someone, etc. -- that seem to be holding up pretty well to the relentless attack.

(*) Some liberals like YT jumped ship from that dreck long ago, others took awhile -- but it's absolutely happening en masse. Lots of us have always been willing to be and celebratory of live and let live; very few of us will submit to being compelled to utter and think flat-out obvious falsehoods. That becoming the ask was the beginning of the end.

   118. base ball chick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:01 PM (#6079748)
109. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 09:00 AM (#6079710)

The JE of his former "NeverTrump" life, who campaigned for RINOs like McCain and Romney, would definitely be a nice addition to BTF


- mcCain, romney, both bushes look like leftys compared to the machine gun carrying boeberts and gaetz and the rest of the hate filled, proudly iggnint trump acolytes screaming about being replaced by imported Darkiez whose "platform" seems to be Hate Thy Neighbor and females should be subjugated and the unrich should not be blessed with outrageous stuff like housing, food and even simple medical care. (i would seriously support a sane, decent guy like george the First back - although i would prefer his wife TBH)

un-woke is all about pretending there was and is ZERO discrimination against humans who are not White and/or not "christian". as one righty i know said - all this woke shttt is ONLY about getting money out of Whites for shttt that happened hundreds of years ago and having to "apologize" for shttt that someone else did. MANifest Destiny was just a saying.

i try to warn mah few jewish friends who march for anti-woke that it is NOT an accident that there was a parade/mob when trump got elected filled with White males screeching about how Jooz Are Tryin To Replace Us and Where mah swastika at? the trump and boebert and green and gaetz gang sure as eff don't think of jooz and coobans as Real Whites. it is synagogs getting shot up/bombed/threatened, not even catholics (yet)

- as Bugs Bunny once said (after dumping elmer head first in cake) NEXXXXXXXXXTTTT !!!!!!
   119. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:16 PM (#6079754)
If you think I've defended the woke culture, you obviously haven't read discord

I asked the question because, as noted previously, I don't follow the Discord discussions.
   120. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:17 PM (#6079755)
Some liberals like YT jumped ship from that dreck long ago
Does "YT" constitute "yours truly?"
   121. Lassus Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:19 PM (#6079758)
Using the word "woke" seriously as any kind of reference puts you in the category of the pointless and unlistenable.
   122. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:20 PM (#6079759)
I don't wonder. That's the primary platform of your party now.
Shrug. If your heads weren't constantly imploding from now having to receive what your party's activists dished out for decades, there would be no market for such a racket.
   123. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:22 PM (#6079760)
First Ballot Inner Circle Ass Hole
Literally every criticism of me boils down to people being disappointed they can't have sex with me.
   124. Lassus Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:32 PM (#6079764)
Shrug. I know.

If your heads weren't constantly imploding from now having to receive what your party's activists dished out for decades, there would be no market for such a racket. Oh well.
   125. . Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:34 PM (#6079765)
Using the word "woke" seriously as any kind of reference puts you in the category of the pointless and unlistenable.


As opposed to "Latinx," or "non-binary," or "cisgender," you mean?

Does "YT" constitute "yours truly?"


Mm-hmm.
   126. ERROR---Jolly Old St. Nick Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:45 PM (#6079768)
un-woke is all about pretending there was and is ZERO discrimination against humans who are not White and/or not "christian". as one righty i know said - all this woke shttt is ONLY about getting money out of Whites for shttt that happened hundreds of years ago and having to "apologize" for shttt that someone else did. MANifest Destiny was just a saying.

Lisa, there's un-woke and un-woke. You don't have to be a code word dropping Republican to roll your eyes at pronoun wars and cancelling people for something they did 20 years ago. I fully realize that anti-wokeism is something that's being used by "conservatives" to smear everyone to the Left of Donald Trump, but that doesn't mean that twitter mobs are always worth listening to.

-----------

If you think I've defended the woke culture, you obviously haven't read discord


I asked the question because, as noted previously, I don't follow the Discord discussions.


Here, then, try this BTF page from a 2021 thread on Jack Morris. It was a six page thread, but this page should give you a pretty good idea of where I stand of this issue.
   127. Lassus Posted: June 03, 2022 at 02:55 PM (#6079770)
As opposed to "Latinx," or "non-binary," or "cisgender," you mean?

Yes, that is what I mean. As those words specifically describe people and "woke" describes an opinion of a philosophy, you're just being a troll here.
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