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Rangers To Acquire Corey Kluber For Clase, DeShields | MLBTR

11:07 am: The Rangers are finalizing a deal to acquire Corey Kluber from the Indians, reports Ken Rosenthal of the Athletic (via Twitter). The deal is agreed to, pending physicals of the players involved, per Jon Heyman of MLB Network (via Twitter).

I wonder how long Lindor stays in Cleveland now.

Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:07 PM | 33 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
  Tags: corey kluber, delino deshields jr., emmanuel clase, indians, rangers

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   1. DFA Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:27 PM (#5908824)
Surprised the Rangers didn't hold out for Cleveland to throw in Lindor too!

I know Klubot has some health issues, but he isn't owed *that* much money, is he? Seems like a light return for a pitcher with a recent past of being terrific.
   2. bfan Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:40 PM (#5908825)
It seems astonishingly light to me. The Indians must really feel that Kluber is toast.
   3. PreservedFish Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:46 PM (#5908826)
Agreed. No-brainer for the Rangers here.
   4. CONservative governMENt Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:50 PM (#5908827)
Good news for the Twins.
   5. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:54 PM (#5908828)
Huh? Indians already have Oscar Mercado for CF (2.2. WAR in 2/3 of a season last year, they have 6 full years of control although looks like he'll be a super-2). Clase meanwhile looks like a solid-enough relief prospect I suppose but he hasn't had the monster-high K rates you usually look for. They only save a whopping $18.5 M. Swapping out a reasonably-priced Kluber seems silly enough, at least get back a 2B or corner OF or some position you actually need help with.
   6. caspian88 Posted: December 15, 2019 at 02:59 PM (#5908831)
Maybe they plan to move to Miami.
   7. tolbuck Posted: December 15, 2019 at 03:11 PM (#5908838)
I want to dislike this trade as a Tribe fan, but there is a nagging question in the back of my head that prevents me from doing so. When was the last time the Tribe misjudged one of their front line pitchers? Kazmir, perhaps, but he was a reclamation project to begin with back in 2013. I guess you can say Salazar, but at least he was effective when he was last healthy. The point is they seem to have a knack of knowing when to cut bait on their pitchers. And if I have noticed this, I'm sure the other front offices have. So I'm not surprised they couldn't get more for him.
   8. PreservedFish Posted: December 15, 2019 at 03:36 PM (#5908844)
Oh please. Trading an expensive Kluber, soon-to-be-FA, has more in common with trading Cliff Lee and CC Sabathia away a decade ago than it does with any recent Indians pitching transaction. Are you trying to tell us that the Indians have some sort of mystical ability to judge when pitchers are cooked based on how poorly Justin Masterson and Fausto Carmona and Ubaldo Jimenez did after they left the team?
   9. Lonnie Smith for president Posted: December 15, 2019 at 03:56 PM (#5908849)
If a move to Miami is the plan, DeShields Jr could pass for Willie Mays Hayes. Certainly Cleveland has a very good chance of leading their roto-league in stolen base(attempt)s now.
   10. puck Posted: December 15, 2019 at 04:24 PM (#5908851)
Other teams must think Kluber is toast as well, right? Other teams were supposedly involved in talks.
   11. cookiedabookie Posted: December 15, 2019 at 05:08 PM (#5908855)
What a bad trade for the Indians. You couldn't get one decent player or top prospect for him, from any team? Then hold on to him, and trade him at the deadline when teams are more desperate.
   12. eric Posted: December 15, 2019 at 06:37 PM (#5908864)
Selling low is not usually a good move. But they're the ones more familiar with his health. A pitcher who is...

a) Going to be 34
b) was injured most of last season
c) was ineffective when he was healthy

...has got to be considered a high risk. If the Indians saw concerning things in his performance before his injury, perhaps they've essentially decided this is the only way to extract any more value out of him. And given how many teams want starters (all of them?) perhaps many other teams essentially concur.
   13. Nasty Nate Posted: December 15, 2019 at 06:45 PM (#5908865)
Surely this will go down in history as the most notorious SP trade involving someone named Delino Deshields...
   14. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 15, 2019 at 06:56 PM (#5908869)
I don't know why Kluber is considered expensive. A guy with his resume, coming off a freak injury that has nothing to do with the ligaments in his throwing arm, and has most of a year of rehab? MadBum got $17M AAV, and Kluber's better, with only two years left on his contract. He's worth a lot more than what Cleveland got.
   15. PreservedFish Posted: December 15, 2019 at 07:01 PM (#5908870)
I didn't even realize that Kluber had two years remaining. This is a potential bonanza for the Rangers.
   16. JJ1986 Posted: December 15, 2019 at 07:44 PM (#5908874)
I really don't understand why Cleveland wants DeShields. They even already have a 4th outfielder who can hit right-handed in Luplow. Did they trade Kluber for a pinch runner/defensive replacement?
   17. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2019 at 08:35 PM (#5908883)
#14-15: One year plus an option so the Rangers can even walk away if he's toast.

It's easy enough to see why he wouldn't draw a top prospect. As I mentioned, I just don't see why they'd do this deal. DeShields is a no-bat, nice glove RHB CF ... Mercado is a better-bat, nice glove RHB CF who is 3 years younger and has 4 more years of control. As mentioned, they also have Luplow as RHB OF, along with Reyes, then Naquin and Bauers as LHB and even Greg Allen for legs with no bat. And Bradley Zimmer for that matter. Unless DeShields is about to be flipped elsewhere (Cubs?), he's a really weird pick-up for this team.

Given he hasn't pitched since the injury, I can see there wouldn't be vastly better offers out there but at least pick up (I dunno) LaStella from the Angels or Chris Taylor from the Dodgers or at least somebody who upgrades you at some position of need rather than a guy you already have 4 of.
   18. Los Angeles El Hombre of Anaheim Posted: December 15, 2019 at 08:45 PM (#5908885)
Scuttlebutt is that Cleveland insisted the Angels add Fletcher to the deal instead of La Stella, and I don't blame them. The Angels said no to that, and I don't blame them, either. Kluber would have been a huge get for the Angels, though. This is a bummer.

The Rangers now look like they have a pretty strong rotation with Kluber, Minor, and Lynn at the top. If Jurado turns into something, that would be the best rotation in the ALW.
   19. Lance Reddick! Lance him! Posted: December 15, 2019 at 09:34 PM (#5908888)
Only way this becomes worthwhile is if it becomes Face/Off.
   20. Lonnie Smith for president Posted: December 15, 2019 at 09:40 PM (#5908890)
Add also Gibson and Lyles to Kluber, Minor, and Lynn. Not too shabby. Texas has made good choices with starting pitching lately, and now we'll see how their new park plays.

Straight salary dump for the Tribe, right? They valued a team that would take Kluber's freight in full over getting anything back. No disrespect to Clase, but the rest of Kluber's contract was such a bargain, especially for Cleveland. The "savings" gives them a few more months to stare down the Dodgers or whoever they flip Lindor to, yes? That transaction is where they'll restock for the future.

Too damn bad if the end is nigh for this core. They were a fun team and Francona has been a steady hand.
   21. Walt Davis Posted: December 15, 2019 at 11:07 PM (#5908896)
Straight salary dump for the Tribe, right? They valued a team that would take Kluber's freight in full over getting anything back.

Apparently yes but no in any sane world. Kluber is only owed 1/$18.5 then there's another $17 in an option. That's an easy contract to move in full and hardly one that would scare you off if the other team insisted you cover $6 M. If Cleveland dreaded the salary that much, just don't exercise the option. No team needs to have $18.5 M of salary eaten (unless maybe to get under the lux tax threshold but that's not Cle's problem). Cle's projected payroll sits around $90 M right now.
   22. base ball chick Posted: December 16, 2019 at 09:46 AM (#5908917)
unless they think clase is the next mo rivera - or even josh hader, this is a straight money dump. having watched deshields for, what, 4-5 years, he's a PR/DR because he sure is not much of a hitter. who knows - maybe they want him back at 2B, but he's still not much of a hitter
   23. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 10:13 AM (#5908926)
I can see why a team would want Clase, given his stuff, even though trading stuff of value for relief pitchers is almost always a terrible idea. But I have no idea why the Indians wanted DeShields.
   24. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:01 AM (#5908950)
Terrible deal for Cleveland. It's embarrassing for an MLB team to be this cheap. Their payroll is $86M now. They get that much is shared revenue.
   25. JAHV Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:31 AM (#5908967)
Scuttlebutt is that Cleveland insisted the Angels add Fletcher to the deal instead of La Stella, and I don't blame them.


Angels beat writer Jeff Fletcher also mentioned that the Indians asked for Marsh, their #2 prospect. It seems like the player haul the Indians were asking from the Angels was much higher than the one they got from the Rangers. Because if that's all it took, there is certainly a package the Angels could have offered that would have gotten it done.
   26. Baldrick Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:45 AM (#5908974)
I understand that it's part of the game and everything but I'm just beyond sick of looking at player transactions through the lens of budgeting. That applies to all of the transactions, but it really becomes crystal clear when looking at something like this. Which is a terrible deal even on those terms, but is literally incomprehensible through any kind of normal 'how good are these players' terms.
   27. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: December 16, 2019 at 11:50 AM (#5908976)
Cleveland has been surprisingly stingy the last few years, such as refusing to pay Brantley to post another 4 WAR season.
   28. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:15 PM (#5908984)
Cleveland has been surprisingly stingy the last few years, such as refusing to pay Brantley to post another 4 WAR season.


I can sort of understand being reluctant to commit to Bradley, given how fragile he is, but they really ought to have spent that money on a different upgrade instead.
   29. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: December 16, 2019 at 12:28 PM (#5908988)
I can sort of understand being reluctant to commit to Bradley, given how fragile he is, but they really ought to have spent that money on a different upgrade instead.

They could have QO'd at least. 1/17 wasn't risky.
   30. TribeGuy Posted: December 16, 2019 at 03:40 PM (#5909059)
I can understand from an intellectual place the idea of this trade for the Indians. But this sends a terrible message to the fan base. If you can't afford a Cy Young caliber pitcher at Kluber's salary (even taking into account the injury and age concerns) then when will the franchise ever be able to field a team to compete with the top-tier organizations. I don't think you can win a World Series with a roster entirely made up of underpaid prospects, veterans willing to take hometown discounted contracts, and washed up role players trying to catch lightning in a bottle.

If Lindor does get dumped to the Dodgers I guess I need to place my bets on a TEX-LA World Series so either Kluber or Lindor can get their ring in 2020. Just like a repeat of last season where Yan Gomes and Micheal Brantley got to compete for a ring. Perhaps if the Tribe is kind enough continue to distribute their talent around evenly, eventually all the former Indians can win a World Series that way. Then Cleveland can host a parade for all the former players who got to win somewhere else and call it their World Series championship.
   31. Walt Davis Posted: December 16, 2019 at 04:37 PM (#5909076)
Wearing my rational cap, I'm not overly annoyed by the "level" of the return. He pitched poorly last year then spent 5 months on the IL. Nobody right now knows how good of a pitcher Kluber is. You're not getting a top prospect for that. But this is a trade for the sake of a trade (or saving $18 M).

On Clase ... how good is that stuff? I know he's just turning 22 but the K-rates have been modest by reliever standards -- 9.2 in the minors, 8.1 in the majors, all small sample sizes obviously. He can be plenty useful I'm sure but we're not talking Chapman or Hader here it wouldn't seem.

And yes, it seems a terrible signal to send the fans.
   32. with Glavinesque control and Madduxian poise Posted: December 17, 2019 at 08:32 PM (#5909423)
Man, I just kinda wish (I assume, along with everyone else) that my team, the Braves, had ponied up a similar package and paid the man his money. Huge upside here.
   33. Bring Me the Head of Alfredo Griffin (Vlad) Posted: December 17, 2019 at 09:09 PM (#5909428)
On Clase ... how good is that stuff?


His primary pitch is a 100+ MPH cutter, which is pretty intimidating. His other pitch is a slider, which is sometimes great and sometimes kind of iffy.

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