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Friday, May 15, 2020

Rays’ Blake Snell says MLB players should be fully rewarded for taking the maximum risk

“On Wednesday, Tampa Bay Rays left-hander Blake Snell echoed Clark’s condemnation of the MLB plan, saying he would not play in 2020 if he wasn’t paid the salary laid out in his contract, considering the health risks he would be taking by simply showing up to the ballpark.

“Y’all gotta understand, man, for me to go — for me to take a pay cut is not happening, because the risk is through the roof,” Snell, the 2018 American League Cy Young winner, said in a video posted to social media. “It’s a shorter season, less pay.. . .

“No, I gotta get my money. I’m not playing unless I get mine, okay? And that’s just the way it is for me. Like, I’m sorry you guys think differently, but the risk is way the hell higher and the amount of money I’m making is way lower. Why would I think about doing that?”“

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   1. Jeff Francoeur's OPS Posted: May 15, 2020 at 03:02 PM (#5950862)
So no baseball in 2020 and a looming work stoppage in 2022. Baseball's future is looking bright.
   2. The Duke Posted: May 15, 2020 at 03:09 PM (#5950864)
I dont understand why the union doesn’t do a better job muzzling it’s players. The owners (who all have big egos) do a reasonable job of holding the party line but there’s always some player talking crazy ####. Snell is all over the baseball news for not wanting to get covid at half price. That can’t be the position they want out there.
   3. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 03:40 PM (#5950887)
I've seen a couple of interviews with Snell and a "behind the scenes" where he talked about his main passions in life: basketball shoes and video games.

In a sport full of fellows who aren't particularly bright, articulate, or inquisitive, Snell is...one of the less bright, articulate and inquisitive.
   4. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 04:59 PM (#5950924)
BWAHAHHA

Less bright? Guy wont risk his life to entertain us, and HE is the "less bright" one?

Y'all got some jacked perspectives, truly.

Trevor May ALSO went in hard on this, live on stream, multiple times. He's a "less bright" individual too, I'm sure, right?

These guys are under zero obligation to risk catching a disease for us. At all. To imply anything about how "bright" they are from that makes the one making the assumption the #######. Period.
   5. bigglou115 is not an Illuminati agent Posted: May 15, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5950937)
The problem isn't that he's taking the stance he's taking, it's that he's done it in the only possible way to make people not like him. Nobody who says "unless I get mine," has ever been sympathetic.
   6. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 05:11 PM (#5950938)
I completely understand any player being worried about catching the virus and saying they don't want to play for that reason. “No, I gotta get my money. I’m not playing unless I get mine, okay?" ain't that and you know it.

Coke to bigglou.
   7. Steve Balboni's Personal Trainer Posted: May 15, 2020 at 05:18 PM (#5950944)
#4:
Snell may be saying out loud what many players are thinking quietly. The problem is that he said it, unsolicited, to the press. I saw him on an ESPN "The Show" tournament for about five minutes a few weeks ago, well before this quote came out, and I was struck by how stupid he sounded. His opponent in this virtual tourney was some pitcher for the White Sox, and he was charming, a little self-effacing, and fun. Snell was very unlikable, inarticulate...but really good at gaming. He is probably one of the worst people in the MLBPA who could be taking the lead on this issue.

Baseball needs to take a page from the NBA. They don't have problems like this...
   8. GGIAS (aka Poster Nutbag) Posted: May 15, 2020 at 05:34 PM (#5950951)
Again, y'all are making some wild assumptions. Maybe listen to more than isolated clips? The other players also talking about it? Or play into the game of why the story is being sensationalized the way it is? Whatever gets yer rocks off, I guess.

There's a reason THIS is what you see and only this. But go on and play right along. Yep, THIS sounds totally crass. But for a site full of folks that pride themselves on taking into account all available data, you're jumping awfully quick based on clips and snippets....there is an awful lot more said by more than just one single player since this all started, he simply stated it in the most blunt of terms. We're talking HOURS of these guys streaming and discussing this topic candidly all saying the same thing.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 05:40 PM (#5950954)
Care to point out where I said anything about anyone other than Snell? (Except for the general observation that there are a lot of baseball players who aren't all that bright, which...)
   10. PreservedFish Posted: May 15, 2020 at 06:09 PM (#5950977)
I wish I had to make the tough decision between exposing myself to a virus that many experts assert basically all of us will get eventually no matter what, and making several million dollars for playing a game.
   11. Jose Needs an Absurd Ukulele Concert Posted: May 15, 2020 at 06:20 PM (#5950982)
Yeah I'm with BigLou, this is a guy saying something I completely agree with in the worst possible way.

To answer Duke it's a lot easier to keep a muzzle on 30 owners, people who have spent their lives being careful about what they say and who are generally well educated, than it is to keep a muzzle on a thousand pro athletes who are spread all over and in the majority of cases aren't educated in how to handle the media.
   12. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 15, 2020 at 06:31 PM (#5950989)
There's no amount of money that I would accept to risk getting the virus.
   13. PreservedFish Posted: May 15, 2020 at 07:01 PM (#5951009)
Assuming that the vaccine is 18+ months away, it is very likely that I'll expose myself simply by allowing my children to attend school at some point in the next year. We probably could self-isolate for the duration - other than trips to the grocery store - I guess that's a conversation we'll have in a few months.
   14. Ron J Posted: May 15, 2020 at 08:29 PM (#5951041)
Interestingly I have found only one player willing to comment on what Snell said.

Bryce Harper. "He ain't lying, he's speaking the truth bro." “I ain't mad at him. Somebody's gotta say it, at least he manned up and said it. Good for him. I love Snell, the guy's a beast."

OK a little digging and I found Nolan Arenado:

I think he was being honest, just being real. He made a lot of good points. There are some points he made that were true, that are facts. A lot of it gets misperceived. Trying to get the public to understand us, it’s not going to work very well in our favor.

We’re baseball players, right? We make great money. Regardless if we don’t make the money we want, we’re still making great money. A lot of people in this world are struggling a lot harder than us. Some people might see him as a complainer. Some people might agree with his views. At the end of the day, he made some points I agree with. But he also made some points where it’s just going to be too hard to get everyone on our side
   15. Mayor Blomberg Posted: May 15, 2020 at 08:37 PM (#5951044)
The problem isn't that he's taking the stance he's taking, it's that he's done it in the only possible way to make people not like him. Nobody who says "unless I get mine," has ever been sympathetic.


Or elect him president.

oh, wait
   16. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: May 15, 2020 at 08:43 PM (#5951047)
Bryce Harper. "He ain't lying, he's speaking the truth bro." “I ain't mad at him. Somebody's gotta say it, at least he manned up and said it. Good for him. I love Snell, the guy's a beast."
I honestly can’t tell if that’s a parody of Harperspeak or an actual quote. Bro.
   17. cardsfanboy Posted: May 15, 2020 at 10:37 PM (#5951083)
Here is the thing... if mlb decides to play an 81 game season and Snell sticks to his guns about not showing up... I'll be shocked... and I'll laugh my ass off.. players on the field are the least likely to be affected by this thing as far as this goes. He's basically saying, even though he'll be protected by some type of basic quarantine, he's risking his life to make half of the multi-millions he is going to make, while accepting the fact that the people running the stadium are taking a much higher risk, and still making the same per hour that they were making... is just sad. So take the year off, lose out on the entire paycheck, instead of 1/2 of the over inflated paycheck you were going to get..... nobody is going to care ultimately in an 81 game season, you were only going to be a moderate factor in maybe 3 wins for your team, they can find others.
   18. cardsfanboy Posted: May 15, 2020 at 10:44 PM (#5951085)
Assuming that the vaccine is 18+ months away, it is very likely that I'll expose myself simply by allowing my children to attend school at some point in the next year. We probably could self-isolate for the duration - other than trips to the grocery store - I guess that's a conversation we'll have in a few months.


A few months ago, I flat out stated, I'll end up getting this stupid thing... I don't see how I can avoid it. I work retail, I'm a manager, meaning that I haven't actually been able to take time off (my store manager did get this thing and was gone for 3 weeks....the other senior manager happened to have a heart attack while that was going on... leaving me as more or less the only one running the store).... we are open currently to curbside which helps alleviate my concerns, but I live in a dumbass state so we are opening back up Monday.... where, once again I'm the only manager in the store (as my store manager had a vacation scheduled that week---and the other manager got demoted to another store--it was known this was going to happen before she had her heart attack) so I'm going to get 60 hours a week or so in the store with moron Red voters who don't believe in masks, quarantine or social distancing........For me to not get this, would be a shock.
   19. The Duke Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:20 PM (#5951089)
11. I’m just going to have to disagree there. Anyone who has watched Jim Crane in the last three months knows he is horrible in front of a mike. The players deal with the press every day. They all know how to do this......if they want to.

I did years of work in investor relations. The very worst people at it are CEOs. They constantly go off script and bollux up sensitive well-rehearsed stuff. MLB has done a great job keeping their guys in line on labor relations. I suspect it’s the ghost of Marvin Miller who used to fillet them that keeps them quiet

I feel for any front line employee going back to work in a closed environment. My community opened today. Everything is packed, no one wearing a mask. I’m all for opening but mask-wearing should be mandatory and people need to be more sensitive to their fellow man. Luckily the old folks homes are locked down everywhere. But it seems to me we will be back in quarantine on the day after the election and it will be a tough winter
   20. Tin Angel Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:43 PM (#5951099)
Again, y'all are making some wild assumptions. Maybe listen to more than isolated clips? The other players also talking about it?


I was going to comment on this, but...first, I am going to listen to a hundred hours of millionaire baseball players in their 20's talking while playing video games in their mansions. If Snell doesn't want to play because he fears for his safety, then just don't. But, taking a pay cut when you are playing half as many games doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand. Anyone who has worked a real job realizes if you work 40 hours over two weeks you shouldn't expect to get paid for 80. But let me pull out the tiny violin for Blake.
   21. cardsfanboy Posted: May 15, 2020 at 11:47 PM (#5951102)
I was going to comment on this, but...first, I am going to listen to a hundred hours of millionaire baseball players in their 20's talking while playing video games in their mansions. If Snell doesn't want to play because he fears for his safety, then just don't. But, taking a pay cut when you are playing half as many games doesn't seem to be that difficult to understand. Anyone who has worked a real job realizes if you work 40 hours over two weeks you shouldn't expect to get paid for 80. But let me pull out the tiny violin for Blake.


Fully agree... he has two options... play for half pay or don't play for no pay.... it's pretty simple decision to make either way... and it's entirely up to him.... and I'm fully in the camp that thinks when he realizes his two options, he'll take the pay for half option.
   22. Walt Davis Posted: May 16, 2020 at 12:55 AM (#5951109)
#13: The UK just finished the first round of what is still a small number of studies using a representative sample. It's still a a pretty small sample (the plan is to keep going weekly for the next year so the sample size will build) and that means the samples are particularly small for cross-group comparisons but ... in the first two weeks of collection (5,000 households, 11,000 people), they found an overall current infection rate (not antibodies) of 0.27% and no differences across age groups. If they are less likely to develop symptoms (which seems the case) then they are probably less likely to spread it but, yeah, it seems likely many people will catch it from their kids.

#18: Can you just continue to limit it to curbside or is the company forcing you to run the business as usual?

Restaurants, including bars as long as they're selling food, are now "open" here but they are still limited to a max of 10 customers sitting down at any one time (and alcohol sales only if people are dining) so many are continuing to limit themselves to takeaway (or staying closed if they were closed) because seating (and policing) 10 is simply not worth it. News had one restaurant that is seating 10 at (say) 5;30, tossing them at 7, cleaning everything down until 8, 2nd seating -- no idea why they think that would be profitable but up to them.

It's pretty weird. Politicians here don't talk about massive plants re-opening or anything like that, they're tryying to pitch the line of "reboot the economy -- go out for coffee or dinner." Meanwhile ongoing clusters at a meatpacking plant and a McDonald's.
   23. cardsfanboy Posted: May 16, 2020 at 08:20 AM (#5951128)
#18: Can you just continue to limit it to curbside or is the company forcing you to run the business as usual?


Forcing us to comply with local edicts (25% occupancy--61 people other words--...which isn't an issue, the store never has that many people at a time anyway)

I feel for any front line employee going back to work in a closed environment. My community opened today. Everything is packed, no one wearing a mask. I’m all for opening but mask-wearing should be mandatory and people need to be more sensitive to their fellow man. Luckily the old folks homes are locked down everywhere. But it seems to me we will be back in quarantine on the day after the election and it will be a tough winter


We'll have a sign saying it's mandatory, and the county has said it is up to the individual stores on whether they want to enforce the recommendation/rule from the county(meaning if we want to kick people out for not wearing a mask, the county will back us up.), but corporate has said if someone doesn't have a mask, unless they show behavior of potentially having this thing, that we are to leave them alone.

I think you are wildly optimistic with back in quarantine on the day after election..... If we make it through August without a new quarantine in place, I would be shocked.
   24. Stevey Posted: May 16, 2020 at 08:30 AM (#5951130)
If what Snell did is tone deaf, what about this guy?

https://www.latimes.com/business/real-estate/story/2020-05-11/cardinals-owner-bill-dewitt-buys-eva-longoria-hollywood-hills-villa
   25. Joe Bivens, Elderly Northeastern Jew Posted: May 16, 2020 at 08:47 AM (#5951135)
players on the field are the least likely to be affected by this thing as far as this goes.


The NBA disagrees.


Regarding half pay: The point was made that players don't get to renegotiate their pay upwards during years the owners make more money than usual, so they shouldn't be forced to renegotiate downward during times like these.

Not sure if it hold water, but...
   26. Greg Pope Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:10 AM (#5951139)
he simply stated it in the most blunt of terms.

Not quite. It is what he's saying. If Snell said "I don't want to play, because the risk is through the roof" then nobody would have a problem. Instead he said that he wouldn't risk it for a pay cut. He thinks the risk is "through the roof", right? And he's scheduled to make $11M this year. So what he's saying is "I'll take a through-the-roof risk for 11 million dollars but I won't take the risk for 5.5 million dollars". That's just an idiotic thing to say. And that's a criticism of Snell specifically, not MLB players. I have no problem with the hundreds of other players who say that they wouldn't want to take the risk.
   27. SoSH U at work Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:27 AM (#5951143)
I can't be certain, given his communication skills are quite lacking, but Snell seems to be balking at MLB's revised plan, the 50-50 split. Given the players, not the owners, will be assuming the physical risk from COVID-19 that comes with playing, I can understand his frustration at being asked to absorb more of a financial hit.

Of course, at the risk of earning the Tina-like wrath of Poster Nutbag, it's not possible for him to have made this case to the public any worse.
   28. Ron J Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:47 AM (#5951146)
27 Sure. But Arenado was far more thoughtful in what he said and acknowledged that it doesn't much matter how it's said.

I think one of Miller's genius back in the day was to become the one who said these things to the public.
   29. SoSH U at work Posted: May 16, 2020 at 09:49 AM (#5951147)
But Arenado was far more thoughtful in what he said and acknowledged that it doesn't much matter how it's said.


It does a little bit. Nolan Arenado's comments didn't make headlines.

But, sadly, history tells us the public will invariably blame the players as the greedy ones in any dispute like this.
   30. Baldrick Posted: May 16, 2020 at 10:51 AM (#5951160)
Snell's position seems to be: they want me to take on serious risk AND take a huge pay cut. If they want me to take on serious risk, they better pay me twice as much per game.

That feels like a pretty reasonable place to be. I'm not saying it was well-expressed, but I see nothing wrong with the basic logic.
   31. dejarouehg Posted: May 16, 2020 at 12:07 PM (#5951176)
If he didn't sound like he was trying to do a bad Eminem impression from 20 years ago and instead delivered a more literate message, then I think he wouldn't have been dismissed so easily.

In theory, if there's half a season to be played, then the players should get half-salary. Given the increased level of risk, I believe that on principal alone,* they are entitled to a kicker, say a 20% boost, for exposing themselves. It just shouldn't emanate from a Snell or a Boras for that matter. This should all be behind-the-scenes.

Players should also be given free reign and the tools to monetize themselves during this time, i.e., not have to pay MLB licensing fees, provided they don't do anything that could be deemed detrimental to baseball. They should also be allowed to wear whatever footwear, wristbands or any of the other crap that appeals to younger people.

(*My father-in-law joined the army at 16 (lied about his age and blind as a bat, but memorized the eye chart) so he could go to Korea and "protect [his family] against those trying to destroy our way of life." When given the choice of what type of duty he wanted to pursue, he chose the paratroopers because the higher risk meant higher pay, which meant he could send home an extra $!0 or $15 a month. Dollars and intentions may be different, but the principal is the same.)
   32. Russlan thinks deGrom is da bomb Posted: May 16, 2020 at 01:53 PM (#5951201)
Would sitting out the season affect when he becomes a free agent? That might be a pretty big factor for the players.

What was the revenue split in 2019?
   33. Slivers of Maranville descends into chaos (SdeB) Posted: May 16, 2020 at 02:42 PM (#5951209)

Not quite. It is what he's saying. If Snell said "I don't want to play, because the risk is through the roof" then nobody would have a problem. Instead he said that he wouldn't risk it for a pay cut. He thinks the risk is "through the roof", right? And he's scheduled to make $11M this year. So what he's saying is "I'll take a through-the-roof risk for 11 million dollars but I won't take the risk for 5.5 million dollars". That's just an idiotic thing to say.


It sounds to me like he's saying "I agreed to play for X dollars, and I'm a man of my word, even if the risk is elevated, but if MLB wants to unilaterally cut my pay, then I am also relieved of my obligation to show up, especially when there's a ****ing pandemic going on."
   34. puck Posted: May 16, 2020 at 03:11 PM (#5951218)
I've read at times that the estimates of player's payroll as a share of revenue is lower than the other 3 big sports. Is that true? I should probably research that but am too lazy.

How do the NBA players verify the revenue numbers the NBA cap is based on? That's an interesting system with a (soft) cap based on revenue, with a salary floor and escrow provisions.

Ok, googled it a little. Fangraphs and Deadspin apparently said the players' share had been dropping. But this Ringer article contends its around 50%, and over 56% when accounting for benefits, post season shares, and minor league salaries.
   35. Ron J Posted: May 16, 2020 at 03:29 PM (#5951225)
#34 NBA Cap overview

As this points out, there's 35 pages on how to calculate business related income. As to verification, well the media money is known, ticket sales are know. That covers a very large percentage of the overall income. As to the rest, quoting from the link:

The definition includes a truly wide range of basketball-related income — from “sales of jersey patch rights” (note, these patches were not even on jerseys at the time the CBA was signed), to arena signage that is displayed during regular season games and “at least 75% of non-NBA events,” to a portion of arena naming rights deals, to “gambling on NBA games or any aspect of NBA games” (note, this gambling-related income was included before the US Supreme Court paved the way for states to legalize gambling), and even to proceeds from a team’s NBA championship parade.

And you can make a pretty decent estimate of what the other stuff should come to. And I assume a dispute resolution mechanism is carefully spelled out.
   36. JRVJ Posted: May 16, 2020 at 03:54 PM (#5951232)
26 is dead right.

The problem isn't saying you won't play because of the risks involved. The problem is saying that you won't do it because you'd be getting a haircut for playing (while still making millions of dollars while playing baseball).

Not everybody reads the same things, but I've read a lot of stories and pieces, from many countries, about how the COVID-19 pandemic is pushing society to reevaluate what different occupations and professions get paid. Revenues all across the board for professional sports are clearly beyond any service they provide society (and I mean this from the lowest clubbie up to and including what owners are making as profit - and before anybody asks, this also applies to entertainment).

So the problem with what Snell is saying is that it is extremely tone deaf in light of the economic suffering of millions of people in the U.S. (not to mention the rest of the world), due to the COVID-19 pandemic.
   37. NJ in NY (Now with two kids!) Posted: May 16, 2020 at 08:31 PM (#5951301)
It feels like Snell’s biggest problem (and part of why his comments got circulated widely) is that he looks like your run of the mill white baseball player but talks like a black guy.
   38. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 16, 2020 at 10:48 PM (#5951348)
So the problem with what Snell is saying is that it is extremely tone deaf in light of the economic suffering of millions of people in the U.S. (not to mention the rest of the world), due to the COVID-19 pandemic.


The problem is, the masses will always side with ownership over the workers. What Snell is saying is that "I am contractually owed this money. I don't get more when you (the owners) make more, so I shouldn't get less because you make less." The masses will look at it as "Well, the owners ARE making less, so the players should also make less." The problem is, the masses will never say "Well, the owners ARE making more, so the players should make more." Thus, the masses can be dismissed.
   39. flournoy Posted: May 16, 2020 at 10:57 PM (#5951351)
he looks like your run of the mill white baseball player


The run-of-the-mill white baseball player has a chin.
   40. Howie Menckel Posted: May 16, 2020 at 11:20 PM (#5951358)
The problem is, the masses will always side with ownership over the workers.

not even close to everyone who has criticized Snell has sided with owners.

most seem to be objecting to tone-deaf comments, which in no way need to be related to labor-owner relations.
   41. JRVJ Posted: May 16, 2020 at 11:33 PM (#5951360)
38, I usually like your posts, but good grief, did you not engage with what I wrote.
   42. Sunday silence Posted: May 17, 2020 at 02:50 AM (#5951384)
I ain't mad at him. Somebody's gotta say it, at least he manned up and said it. Good for him. I love CFB, the guy's a beast.
   43. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 17, 2020 at 03:37 AM (#5951387)
The problem is saying that you won't do it because you'd be getting a haircut for playing (while still making millions of dollars while playing baseball).

Meanwhile, the rest of us can't even get an actual haircut. (When this is over, I'm going to join some small town's amateur production of "The Wolf Man". I'm sure they'll be glad to have me, since I won't need makeup.)
   44. Adam Starblind Posted: May 17, 2020 at 09:33 AM (#5951407)
It feels like Snell’s biggest problem (and part of why his comments got circulated widely) is that he looks like your run of the mill white baseball player but talks like a black guy.


Or he's trying to anyway.
   45. dejarouehg Posted: May 17, 2020 at 10:29 AM (#5951412)
It feels like Snell’s biggest problem (and part of why his comments got circulated widely) is that he looks like your run of the mill white baseball player but talks like a black guy.


He also highlights just how painful to the ear "bro" is. (I'll throw in "dude," since I'm the get-off-my-lawn type. I admit when my Texas friends say "y'all," it seems natural, unlike when spewed by the wordsmith Snell.)
   46. gef, talking mongoose & vexatious litigant Posted: May 17, 2020 at 12:08 PM (#5951433)
He also highlights just how painful to the ear "bro" is. (I'll throw in "dude," since I'm the get-off-my-lawn type. I admit when my Texas friends say "y'all," it seems natural, unlike when spewed by the wordsmith Snell.)


Totally this, except for the part about "Texas friends," a concept around which I cannot wrap my head. (Kidding!) "Y'all" comes as naturally to me as "and" or "the," though of course I'd use the last two in formal writing but not the first.
   47. Zach Posted: May 17, 2020 at 03:26 PM (#5951472)
Look, I see where he's coming from. It's a coherent position, and I suppose everybody has a walk away number.

But keeripes is this a tough line to hold in the middle of a global pandemic and a huge followon recession.

"Attention everyone! I have determined my personal share of the collective pain, and it is ... ZERO! In fact, I would appreciate getting paid for games I am not actually going to play."
   48. Zach Posted: May 17, 2020 at 03:34 PM (#5951474)
I mean, if you're going to go all Godfather II in a negotiation, you've got to remember that Michael Corleone was not posturing. He really was making a death threat (and was also the bad guy).

The Vito move is to unexpectedly seek peace and delay the fight until your organization is better equipped to win it.
   49. Sunday silence Posted: May 18, 2020 at 04:00 AM (#5951561)
Q1: Are baseball salaries in the near future (say next 2-3 years) in danger of going down? Due to possibly no season this year and perhaps decreased fan interest in the following year. And//or low revenue this year, forcing owners to tighten belts. Also baseball players getting very little pay this year, forcing them to accept less at the bargaining table. Several reasons for this. Yes or No?


Q2: Is it shortsighted for MLBPA to take a NO Percentage of Revenue position? If they were to accept say 50% of revenue, wouldnt this offer unexpected advantages in the future? For example more access to the team's ledger sheets. WOuldn't this perhaps increase overall salaries? Is the only reason for MLBPA to take an absolute approach to reward the small number of elite players at the expense of the overall players?
   50. Stevey Posted: May 18, 2020 at 08:47 AM (#5951570)
Is it shortsighted for MLBPA to take a NO Percentage of Revenue position? If they were to accept say 50% of revenue, wouldnt this offer unexpected advantages in the future? For example more access to the team's ledger sheets. WOuldn't this perhaps increase overall salaries? Is the only reason for MLBPA to take an absolute approach to reward the small number of elite players at the expense of the overall players?


The owners have been moving more and more revenue earned into "non-baseball" categories. RSNs, MLBAM, real estate development around the parks. It would be incredibly short-sighted of the players to tie salaries to revenues.
   51. Ron J Posted: May 18, 2020 at 08:53 AM (#5951576)
#50 Or negotiate a very comprehensive definition of revenue. It could be done, but exactly when has MLB negotiated in good faith? Some level of trust or very strong verification mechanisms are required to make it work.
   52. Ron J Posted: May 18, 2020 at 09:13 AM (#5951583)
49. Q1, don't know. I suspect that no 2020 season in itself would have little to no long term impact in terms of fan interest if it's treated as a being due to Covid-19. If (as seems likely) MLB seeks to handle this as a PR war against the players I expect they'll succeed in driving a pretty significant number of fans away for 2021. The upshot of treating this strictly as a labor issue will probably result in revenues dropping by around 15% with it taking several years to bounce back.

What Fehr and Miller understood is that winning the PR war is unimportant. I don't know if current leadership understands this (because they will lose any PR battle)

Does this mean teams will be constrained in their offers? Maybe. There will certainly be some teams that will use this as an excuse, but I think the best way to look at this would be to take a careful look at how teams behaved in the wake of the last strike. Revenue was certainly reduced but I don't think it affected the offers free agents got (arbitration and pre-arb players would be unaffected). However it does seem likely that some third tier free agents had a tough time getting what they expected.

Q2 It's useful to understand that top tier free agents play an important role in setting the salaries of everyone. Salaries are always a chain -- highly related to what the top players make.
   53. Crispix Attacksel Rios Posted: May 18, 2020 at 10:13 AM (#5951595)
It feels like Snell’s biggest problem (and part of why his comments got circulated widely) is that he looks like your run of the mill white baseball player but talks like a black guy.


This blunt but brilliant observation let me know who he was reminding me of, both in appearance and in voice. 90s NBA player Greg Foster. Remember Greg Foster? Backup big man on the Jazz finals teams?

I can only find recent interviews with him as a coach, in which he sounds like any other coach, but I swear I saw him interviewed when he was with the Lakers and his voice was very confusing to me. Apparently he did grow up poor in the inner city (Oakland), unlike Blake Snell.

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