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Monday, August 02, 2021

Rays, Cubs Discussed Potential Trade Involving Tyler Glasnow And Kris Bryant/Craig Kimbrel

The Rays were known to be in discussions with the Cubs last Friday about swinging a deal to land Kris Bryant and/or Craig Kimbrel. Ken Rosenthal and Dennis Lin of the Athletic shed some light on the talks, noting that the teams kicked around various potential frameworks — including ones worked around Tyler Glasnow or Kevin Kiermaier.

Moving Glasnow would’ve been part of a larger package deal that sent Bryant and Kimbrel to Tampa Bay, Rosenthal writes. It’d have been a fascinating development, since Glasnow’s one of the best pitchers in the league when healthy but facing a prolonged absence. The 27-year-old tossed 88 innings of 2.66 ERA/2.89 SIERA ball before suffering a UCL tear in mid-June. He’s spent the past six weeks attempting to rehab the injury, but reports from over the weekend suggest he’s likely to require Tommy John surgery, which would keep him out of action for most or all of the 2022 season.

The Rays made the Cubs aware of that possibility in discussions, Rosenthal notes; Tampa Bay wasn’t hoping to sneak Glasnow through a trade without the Cubs noticing he would probably need to go under the knife. Indeed, Glasnow’s forthcoming surgery was a significant roadblock in that kind of deal getting done.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: August 02, 2021 at 05:12 PM | 9 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Barry`s_Lazy_Boy Posted: August 02, 2021 at 09:30 PM (#6032385)
At least that trade would have had me sit up and take notice.
   2. Walt Davis Posted: August 02, 2021 at 09:47 PM (#6032397)
Interesting in that it suggests Hoyer at least toyed with the idea of trying to rebuild on the fly. Still hard to see what would be in this for the Cubs. Glasnow has 2 years of control left but will probably still be rehabbing at start of 22, come back midseason and struggle for a bit so 2022 is probably shot. Kiermaier has one guaranteed year at $12 and an option at $13 -- can still go and get but still can't hit and has never been in the lineup on a daily basis (whether due to injury or Tampa mixing and matching). So I would hope there was something else in this for the Cubs. The Cubs did trade Kimbrel for Madrigal of course -- another guy who doesn't necessarily fit with the idea of stocking up on 19-yo A-ball players but he's been a darn good player so far so Hoyer kinda got what he wanted out of this TB deal anyway.
   3. Brian C Posted: August 03, 2021 at 12:49 AM (#6032461)
Indeed, Glasnow’s forthcoming surgery was a significant roadblock in that kind of deal getting done.

Huh, I wonder why.
   4. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: August 03, 2021 at 07:57 AM (#6032478)
Had to look up SIERA. (That's some formula, bruh.)
   5. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: August 03, 2021 at 10:23 AM (#6032498)
Had to look up SIERA. (That's some formula, bruh.)

ISTR that was a Prospectus creation.
   6. The Duke Posted: August 03, 2021 at 10:56 AM (#6032505)
The dilemma for most teams is to be good enough to keep the turnstiles turning while rebuilding. The Cubs don’t have that worry so they shouldn’t try to have it both ways. Hoyer’s half-hearted defense that he offered long term contracts is just for fan consumption. Cardinals did the same with Pujols. Neither team wanted these players back and it’s the right decision.

They got excellent returns for Darvish, kimbrel and Baez. Now they just have to hope these guys develop.

The Madrigal return was amazing - I’m not really sure why the white Sox were willing to do this.
   7. Brian C Posted: August 03, 2021 at 02:10 PM (#6032556)
The Madrigal return was amazing - I’m not really sure why the white Sox were willing to do this.

To do what, exactly? Give up an injured player that has fewer career WAR than Kimbrel's put up just this season?

I mean, look, as a Cubs fan I don't mind that deal. Madrigal is a guy that, if healthy, gives the Cubs something they really need. But there are questions about him - injury, power, defense? - and at any rate, the math on the deal from the Sox' perspective seems pretty straightforward to me. It's a clear current value vs. future value consideration, completely appropriate for a team that really wants to win right now and has a legit shot to do it.

Agree with that or disagree, it's not the least bit hard to understand.
   8. Walt Davis Posted: August 03, 2021 at 05:54 PM (#6032653)
The Sox now also have a team option on Kimbrel although I've got my doubts they want to pay both Kimbrel and Hendricks so will likely either decline the option or exercise it and trade one of them. But the rest of the team is pretty cheap so maybe they'll keep them both for 2022.

But yeah, unless they've got a 2B prospect on the way, it's surprising the White Sox would deal Madrigal. Makes me worry they think the injury problems will continue. The Cubs picked up a few injured players in these deals and reportedly had interest in Glasnow. Risky.
   9. The Duke Posted: August 03, 2021 at 06:30 PM (#6032660)
I saw a Steve stone interview on Madrigal and he basically said he’s not a game-changer and not anywhere near the quality of player you would expect at 1-4. However, he said he’s a very solid starter and will fill a big hole on Cubs.

I happen to think he has all-star potential but Stone sees him every day.

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