Isn't one of the main complaints about Tropicana Field that the location is uniquely terrible? I don't see anything in the article about putting a rail line or something on the bridge that nobody is willing to cross for a game to solve that.

more than 5,700 multifamily units, 1.4 million square feet of office, 300,000 square feet of retail, 700 hotel rooms, 600 senior living residences, a 2,500-person entertainment venue, and various civic uses.

In 30 years time, will the ballpark/apartments/office/retail/hotel/concert hall development template seem as dated and cliche as the concrete ashtrays of the 60's and 70's eventually became?

600 senior living residences

Looking to corner the BDC market

(C)reating St. Petersburg’s next great place to live, work, and play.

Next great place to live, work, and play? Where are the others...?

The senior living is a great idea. My mother in law loves the Rays and can't get there nearly enough. In a few years I could see doing this and being walking distance to the park. But the park has to be near stores and hospitals for it to get any real traction

Why does it have to be near hospitals?

Why does it have to be near hospitals?

Because old people. My mom, age 76, still gets around great but is currently planning to sell her house and move into senior apartments slated to open next spring where she lives. Smartly, the developer located about 3 miles due south from a hospital (same main road) and next door to a bevy of medical offices including an outpatient surgery center.

As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

a lot of modern real estate development plans stress "walkability."

for younger people, you have a slew of restaurants and bars to visit, and parks and other outdoor spaces, as well as retail.

for older people, close proximity to hospitals and other health facilities is an added perk to the other offerings.

you get multiple age groups interested in your residences, is the theory.

am not an expert on the industry, so can't say if it already is working or if it's just hype or... but it does sound plausible, anyway.

As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.

Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.

TIL. Thank you much!

I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

There are provisions in the Fair Housing Laws exempting senior facilities from what would otherwise be impermissible familial restrictions. Many states have comparable provisions.

I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

There are provisions in the Fair Housing Laws exempting senior facilities from what would otherwise be impermissible familial restrictions. Many states have comparable provisions.

Turns out, when older people tend to be the majority voting block, and the ones that write the laws, they can do a lot of things that may seem funky.

Those lucky old bastards.

As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

Same

Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.

Which makes the college student discounts interesting, because they "discriminate" against the olds. However, it makes my pet entrepreneur concept of junior discounts for customers under 40 sound like a no-go. But then, I can offer discounts to whoever I want, if I frame it as a discount. The non-discount group is simply paying the fair/regular rate which presumably is not unfair to anyone. Or else how can no cover charge for women be legal? The whole concept of discounts or other benefits based on age, sex, etc. has always seemed rife for...something, to me.

As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

Ditto with private co-ops.

Enclosed baseball stadiums are gross.

Enclosed baseball stadiums are gross.

Outdoor most things are gross in St. Pete in the summer. Lived in the area for a couple years and you can need to change your shirt from too much sweat getting the mail.

I am familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Florida's weather. I still think it's gross, even if I understand the reason.

However, it makes my pet entrepreneur concept of junior discounts for customers under 40 sound like a no-go.

I saw that the Pointe-a-Calliere Archaeological Museum in Montreal had an interesting pricing structure this year, with a 15-30-year-old tier between the usual "kids" and "adults" and well below "seniors", which I kind of thought was a neat idea - aside from in covering the college/grad students who might have extra reason to come, it's kind of a neat idea to establish museums as a cheap date generally. Dunno if it's a common thing in Canada or other museums generally, but it's the first time I've seen it.

/obligatory dragging MTL into a Rays stadium thread.