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Monday, December 05, 2022

Rays release new St. Petersburg stadium renderings in partnership with Hines, the developer of Petco Park

Hines, a global real estate investment, development, and property manager, in partnership with the Tampa Bay Rays has presented a 7 million square feet redevelopment plan for a vibrant, mixed-use district surrounding a state-of-the-art new ballpark for the Tampa Bay Rays. The redevelopment of the Historic Gas Plant District will be one of the largest urban real estate developments in the United States over the next 15 years.

Hines and Rays development proposal features more than 5,700 multifamily units, 1.4 million square feet of office, 300,000 square feet of retail, 700 hotel rooms, 600 senior living residences, a 2,500-person entertainment venue, and various civic uses. Hines and the Rays have embraced and incorporated the City of St. Petersburg’s goals of honoring the Historic Gas Plant District legacy and creating St. Petersburg’s next great place to live, work, and play. The site would include over 20 new urban blocks and provide public benefit on over half of the land area, in addition to nine sustainability strategies that will advance the city’s priorities and position St. Petersburg as a leading city for large-scale resilience.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: December 05, 2022 at 10:46 AM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. Jay Seaver Posted: December 05, 2022 at 11:40 AM (#6108014)
Isn't one of the main complaints about Tropicana Field that the location is uniquely terrible? I don't see anything in the article about putting a rail line or something on the bridge that nobody is willing to cross for a game to solve that.
   2. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 05, 2022 at 11:49 AM (#6108017)
more than 5,700 multifamily units, 1.4 million square feet of office, 300,000 square feet of retail, 700 hotel rooms, 600 senior living residences, a 2,500-person entertainment venue, and various civic uses.

In 30 years time, will the ballpark/apartments/office/retail/hotel/concert hall development template seem as dated and cliche as the concrete ashtrays of the 60's and 70's eventually became?
   3. Walt Davis Posted: December 05, 2022 at 12:27 PM (#6108024)
600 senior living residences

Looking to corner the BDC market
   4. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: December 05, 2022 at 08:35 PM (#6108158)
(C)reating St. Petersburg’s next great place to live, work, and play.

Next great place to live, work, and play? Where are the others...?
   5. The Duke Posted: December 05, 2022 at 08:44 PM (#6108159)
The senior living is a great idea. My mother in law loves the Rays and can't get there nearly enough. In a few years I could see doing this and being walking distance to the park. But the park has to be near stores and hospitals for it to get any real traction
   6. Rough Carrigan Posted: December 05, 2022 at 11:37 PM (#6108183)
Why does it have to be near hospitals?
   7. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:03 AM (#6108185)
Why does it have to be near hospitals?

Because old people. My mom, age 76, still gets around great but is currently planning to sell her house and move into senior apartments slated to open next spring where she lives. Smartly, the developer located about 3 miles due south from a hospital (same main road) and next door to a bevy of medical offices including an outpatient surgery center.

As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:08 AM (#6108186)
a lot of modern real estate development plans stress "walkability."

for younger people, you have a slew of restaurants and bars to visit, and parks and other outdoor spaces, as well as retail.

for older people, close proximity to hospitals and other health facilities is an added perk to the other offerings.

you get multiple age groups interested in your residences, is the theory.

am not an expert on the industry, so can't say if it already is working or if it's just hype or... but it does sound plausible, anyway.
   9. What did Billy Ripken have against ElRoy Face? Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:11 AM (#6108187)
As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.
Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.
   10. Pat Rapper's Delight (as quoted on MLB Network) Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:17 AM (#6108188)
Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.

TIL. Thank you much!
   11. The Yankee Clapper Posted: December 06, 2022 at 02:17 AM (#6108196)
I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.
There are provisions in the Fair Housing Laws exempting senior facilities from what would otherwise be impermissible familial restrictions. Many states have comparable provisions.
   12. jacksone (AKA It's OK...) Posted: December 06, 2022 at 07:32 AM (#6108200)
I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

There are provisions in the Fair Housing Laws exempting senior facilities from what would otherwise be impermissible familial restrictions. Many states have comparable provisions.


Turns out, when older people tend to be the majority voting block, and the ones that write the laws, they can do a lot of things that may seem funky.
   13. SoSH U at work Posted: December 06, 2022 at 08:00 AM (#6108201)
Those lucky old bastards.

   14. kcgard2 Posted: December 06, 2022 at 08:36 AM (#6108206)
As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.

Same
Age is only a protected class for those over 40. The law doesn’t recognize discrimination against the youngs.

Which makes the college student discounts interesting, because they "discriminate" against the olds. However, it makes my pet entrepreneur concept of junior discounts for customers under 40 sound like a no-go. But then, I can offer discounts to whoever I want, if I frame it as a discount. The non-discount group is simply paying the fair/regular rate which presumably is not unfair to anyone. Or else how can no cover charge for women be legal? The whole concept of discounts or other benefits based on age, sex, etc. has always seemed rife for...something, to me.
   15. cHiEf iMpaCt oFfiCEr JE Posted: December 06, 2022 at 09:10 AM (#6108208)
As an aside, I am not a fair housing lawyer but I've never understood how "senior apartments" and "senior neighborhood developments" have ever withstood fair housing/age discrimination laws.
Ditto with private co-ops.
   16. Lassus Posted: December 06, 2022 at 10:12 AM (#6108214)
Enclosed baseball stadiums are gross.
   17. Biscuit_pants Posted: December 06, 2022 at 10:34 AM (#6108219)
Enclosed baseball stadiums are gross.

Outdoor most things are gross in St. Pete in the summer. Lived in the area for a couple years and you can need to change your shirt from too much sweat getting the mail.
   18. Lassus Posted: December 06, 2022 at 11:52 AM (#6108232)
I am familiar with the works of Pablo Neruda Florida's weather. I still think it's gross, even if I understand the reason.
   19. Jay Seaver Posted: December 06, 2022 at 12:13 PM (#6108241)
However, it makes my pet entrepreneur concept of junior discounts for customers under 40 sound like a no-go.


I saw that the Pointe-a-Calliere Archaeological Museum in Montreal had an interesting pricing structure this year, with a 15-30-year-old tier between the usual "kids" and "adults" and well below "seniors", which I kind of thought was a neat idea - aside from in covering the college/grad students who might have extra reason to come, it's kind of a neat idea to establish museums as a cheap date generally. Dunno if it's a common thing in Canada or other museums generally, but it's the first time I've seen it.

/obligatory dragging MTL into a Rays stadium thread.

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