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Sunday, May 15, 2022

Reds don’t allow a Bucs hit—but lose

Rookie Hunter Greene carried a no-hitter into the eighth inning but still ended up being on the wrong end of a 1-0 Reds loss to the Pirates on Sunday.

While throwing 118 pitches—the most in the Majors this season—Greene worked 7 1/3 innings with five walks and nine strikeouts. With one out in the eighth inning, the 22-year-old issued back-to-back walks as he showed signs of fatigue. Reliever Art Warren took over and after walking his first batter, Ben Gamel, induced what should have been an inning-ending double play.

On Ke’Bryan Hayes’ ground ball to second base, Alejo Lopez bobbled the ball in his glove and could only notch one out on the play as Rodolfo Castro scored the game’s lone run.

Greene was the first Reds rookie to take a no-hitter through seven innings since Travis Wood carried a perfect game into the ninth before giving up a hit at Philadelphia on July 10, 2010. Cincinnati went on to lose in 11 innings, 1-0, during that game.

RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:34 PM | 19 comment(s) Login to Bookmark
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   1. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:46 PM (#6076828)
So, that's not a "no-hitter", correct?
   2. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6076831)
No. The Reds pitched only 8 innings.
   3. RoyalsRetro (AG#1F) Posted: May 15, 2022 at 04:55 PM (#6076833)
Correct, the pitchers only went 8 innings. Had they gone nine and still lost, it's a no-hitter.
   4. SoSH U at work Posted: May 15, 2022 at 05:31 PM (#6076843)
Which is very difficult to do as the road team. (I’m assuming losing it in the bottom of the 10th would count).
   5. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 05:52 PM (#6076849)
Yes

The current Major League Baseball definition, since 1991, of a no-hitter is "a game in which a pitcher, or pitchers, gives up no hits while pitching at least nine innings. A pitcher may give up a run or runs so long as he pitches nine innings or more and does not give up a hit."
   6. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 05:54 PM (#6076852)
I infer from that that he can go 9 full innings, and be removed before the 10th, and regardless of what happens after, he gets a no hitter. I'm not sure that is correct.
   7. Jose is Absurdly Correct but not Helpful Posted: May 15, 2022 at 05:58 PM (#6076856)
That’s a no hitter I don’t care what MLB says. Every game is something, most of them are “combined 8 hitters” and no one gives a #### but that’s a combined no hitter.
   8. Howie Menckel Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:00 PM (#6076857)
another stupid MLB rule.

it's not like the game was shortened due to weather or something - this is exactly how nine-inning games are supposed to work. and when the game ended, the Pirates had no hits.
   9. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:09 PM (#6076860)
There were two scheduled 7 inning double header games last year with no hits and those didn't count either.
   10. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:11 PM (#6076861)
That BBREF link in post#5 has some interesting shortened no hitters. My favorite is Jim McCormick, who allowed no hits through 5, gave up a hit in the 6th, but then the game was called due to rain, so the score and stats reverted to the 5th, and thus, until the rule changed, he was credited with a no hitter even though he gave up a hit.
   11. Misirlou cut his hair and moved to Rome Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:15 PM (#6076862)
This is a cool coincidence. In 1967, Dean Chance threw a 5 inning rain shortened perfect game. There was not another shortened no hitter for 17 years until David palmer threw a 5 inning rain shortened perfect game.
   12. David Nieporent (now, with children) Posted: May 15, 2022 at 06:43 PM (#6076869)
So, that's not a "no-hitter", correct?
Incorrect. It was a game pitched in which the team allowed no hits. That makes it a no-hitter. MLB can say whatever they want; nobody unaffiliated with MLB is under any obligation to listen or care.

This is not, contra Howie, a "rule." It's just a label MLB chooses to give it.
   13. snapper (history's 42nd greatest monster) Posted: May 15, 2022 at 07:12 PM (#6076871)
Incorrect. It was a game pitched in which the team allowed no hits. That makes it a no-hitter. MLB can say whatever they want; nobody unaffiliated with MLB is under any obligation to listen or care.

Well, until twenty minutes ago, when people said "no-hitter" everyone meant a CG by one pitcher in which there were no hits allowed by said pitcher. So my personal definition is if one pitcher completes a regulation game allowing no hits, it's a no-hitter. He can lose in 8, lose in 9, or win in 9, don't care. Rain shortened games should not count. If the game goes more than 9, you have to complete the game to get a "no-hitter".

   14. Howie Menckel Posted: May 15, 2022 at 07:57 PM (#6076874)
he was credited with a no hitter even though he gave up a hit.

....... pass!
   15. AuntBea odeurs de parfum de distance sociale Posted: May 15, 2022 at 08:40 PM (#6076879)
He can lose in 8, lose in 9, or win in 9, don't care. Rain shortened games should not count. If the game goes more than 9, you have to complete the game to get a "no-hitter".
This seems a bit inconsistent. By my personal accounting rain-shortened games count too, so long as they go into the books as a game played, and only the one pitcher pitched for his team allowing no hits in the process. Agree that 9 no-hit innings followed by being pulled for another pitcher that gives up a hit, is not a no-hitter.
   16. kwarren Posted: May 15, 2022 at 09:27 PM (#6076896)
So having a good bullpen gives one a better chance to pitch a no-hitter. Seems logical to me. Wonder if WAR takes this into account when evaluating relievers. Or how about the newest tool for getting relievers into the Hall of Fame - Reliever JAWS. What a hoot !!
   17. Sleepy was just “inspecting the bunker”, y’all Posted: May 16, 2022 at 12:45 PM (#6076988)
They seriously should have gone out for the bottom of the ninth, just for the heck of it. It’s the pirates vs the reds- give the 400 fans who stayed something to remember.
   18. Starring Bradley Scotchman as RMc Posted: May 17, 2022 at 02:20 PM (#6077184)
Aww, (Buc)s hit...!
   19. Joyful Calculus Instructor Posted: May 17, 2022 at 08:02 PM (#6077259)
I infer from that that he can go 9 full innings, and be removed before the 10th, and regardless of what happens after, he gets a no hitter. I'm not sure that is correct.


I don't think that's correct.

A no-hitter is defined by MLB: "An official no-hit game occurs when a pitcher (or pitchers) allows no hits during the entire course of a game, which consists of at least nine innings."



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